COVID-19 & Coasters: Coronavirus Impacts on the Amusement Industry

[Applesauce]

That statement is the problem. We were told that we needed to take these precautions to flatten the curve. That was what 4 months ago now and they were originally saying a couple weeks to do this. You sit at home and see on tv that protests are fine but going to a beach isnt.

I'm gonna only respond once, and make it as blunt as possible for you.

The people protesting are risking their lives to be out there and fight for the justice they are not receiving. They are fighting for the very obvious right to not be murdered by the police for the most random of things.

THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE OUT THERE EITHER.

The comparison of fighting for basic human rights, something they should already have but are not receiving, is not remotely comparable to "I can't go to the beach for happy fun times. ???"

Fucking stop pulling shit out of your ass to chase things around in circles, bc you refuse to believe there's an actual problem.

 

[WDWRLD]

I'm gonna only respond once, and make it as blunt as possible for you.

The people protesting are risking their lives to be out there and fight for the justice they are not receiving. They are fighting for the very obvious right to not be murdered by the police for the most random of things.

THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE OUT THERE EITHER.

The comparison of fighting for basic human rights, something they should already have but are not receiving, is not remotely comparable to "I can't go to the beach for happy fun times. ???"

Fucking stop pulling shit out of your ass to chase things around in circles, bc you refuse to believe there's an actual problem.

Thats YOUR opinion.

 

[Crunchewy]

The protests are necessary. I just went to a rally last weekend in Howard County, MD, although masks and social distancing were required and adhered to. It would certainly be good if that could be the case for all the protests, but that's not always possible. This rally was pretty small. It's at least good that even the crowded protests are outdoors. Hopefully that and that at least some protestors wear masks has limited transmission. All protestors should certainly be wearing masks. Also maybe, you know, the police shouldn't be shooting them with tear gas and making the problem worse.

Anyway, I want to toss in a data point. Unfortunately we don't have severe/critical case numbers for states, but while the number of cases is still going up in the US, the number of critical cases is going down. Not by huge amounts, but certainly not increasing. I know this because I wrote a shortcut that tracks how the numbers are changing at this page: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So, for example, I checked earlier today and while in the 22 hours prior to then the number of active cases in the US increased from 1,250,511 to 1,265,330, the number of critical cases dropped from 16,502 to 16,472. While there's been fluctuation in these numbers, and it's not dropping fast, the trend has been down for at least a while. On the 12th the number was as high as 16,827. It seems that there are more cases, but most of those cases are minor.

Do with that what you will. I wish we could see the serious/critical cases in individual states, because maybe it's going down in most states, but not the ones that are currently spiking. I don't know.

 

[Dombot]

That statement is the problem. We were told that we needed to take these precautions to flatten the curve. That was what 4 months ago now and they were originally saying a couple weeks to do this. You sit at home and see on tv that protests are fine but going to a beach isnt.

Protests are fine if they're done correctly (read; social distancing and mask wearing), as well as going to public places of recreation if extra precautions are taken. Get off of Fox News.

Thats YOUR opinion.

You're right, it is!

 

[Jonesta6]

The protests are necessary. I just went to a rally last weekend in Howard County, MD, although masks and social distancing were required and adhered to. It would certainly be good if that could be the case for all the protests, but that's not always possible. This rally was pretty small. It's at least good that even the crowded protests are outdoors. Hopefully that and that at least some protestors wear masks has limited transmission. All protestors should certainly be wearing masks. Also maybe, you know, the police shouldn't be shooting them with tear gas and making the problem worse.

Anyway, I want to toss in a data point. Unfortunately we don't have severe/critical case numbers for states, but while the number of cases is still going up in the US, the number of critical cases is going down. Not by huge amounts, but certainly not increasing. I know this because I wrote a shortcut that tracks how the numbers are changing at this page: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So, for example, I checked earlier today and while in the 22 hours prior to then the number of active cases in the US increased from 1,250,511 to 1,265,330, the number of critical cases dropped from 16,502 to 16,472. While there's been fluctuation in these numbers, and it's not dropping fast, the trend has been down for at least a while. On the 12th the number was as high as 16,827. It seems that there are more cases, but most of those cases are minor.

Do with that what you will. I wish we could see the serious/critical cases in individual states, because maybe it's going down in most states, but not the ones that are currently spiking. I don't know.

How does death rate plus recovery rate factor in - are the differences coming from either?

Also, unless I'm mistaken, aren't there several issues with how the hospitals are recording cases?

 

[Nicole]

What issues with hospital reporting are you referring to?

 

[DECoasteyGuy]

The reason the number of critical cases is lower is fairly obvious. The people who will ignore the restrictions and get sick are generally younger. I’m not going to dive into the combination of factors that leads them to ignore the warnings, but a big one is that they aren’t worried about beings seriously harmed, which is one of the few things they’ll generally be correct about

 

[Jonesta6]

What issues with hospital reporting are you referring to?

The alleged situation where some hospitals were marking everything remotely related as COVID-19 cases until disproven.

I guess in thinking about it, this seemed to be alleged nearer to March before testing became more widespread.

 

[Nicole]

Ah. I don’t recall ever seeing evidence of that being anything more than and accusation and/or conspiracy theory. Did anyone ever find credible reporting that had happened in any kind of systematic or widespread way?

 

[Jonesta6]

That's kind of the problem - where would the data for such a study come from, and who would pay for it?

In a time where hospitals only get to take care of coronavirus patients since almost everything else is considered elective and therefore prohibited, claiming a majority of those coming in the door with any of the symptoms no matter how minor as coronavirus is how they would continue to keep the lights on/make a profit. According to a neighbor who's a PA in a few local hospitals, everything was COVID-19.

Of course, once legit approved tests become available and elective procedures are allowed again, the incentive goes away.

That's only Virginia I'm referring to - multiply the various other methods of handling hospitals by the amount of other states that had any such healthcare restrictions, and you get a mess when looking at national numbers.

 

[mtorange]

Northam has announced that Phase 3 will begin on Wednesday, July 1st. Also, he clarified that entertainment venues can open at 50% capacity with a CAP of 1,000 people.

 

[mtorange]

Apologies for the double post, but this one’s important.

Due to the start of the regular summer season being postponed to July 7, Kennywood will not be hosting Happy Hauntings and Phantom Fright Nights in 2020.

While this is the second Halloween event to be cancelled, this is significant because Kennywood is the first park to cancel their PG-13 Haunt event due to COVID-19.

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[WDWRLD]

BGT has aparently cut more operating days. just got a email the day we had a park reservation they will now be closed.

 

[Alf33]

And with this news it essentially means that the park opening for any part of the summer season is most likely shot. There could be a chance that they could open in August but who knows. Otherwise the season will only come down to HOS and CT, if they decide it's even worth it at this point.

 

[Mushroom]

BGT has aparently cut more operating days. just got a email the day we had a park reservation they will now be closed.

That's not a good sign. Maybe having the park open isn't as profitable as they hoped?

 

[warfelg]

That's not a good sign. Maybe having the park open isn't as profitable as they hoped?

For certain days possibly. I’m curious as to what days they cut but that has seem to be deemed not important.

EDIT:
Seems they’ve closed Mondays and Wednesday’s. So lack of profit seems quite reasonable. Surprised they didn’t take out Tuesday's as well.

 

[rswashdc]

Northam has announced that Phase 3 will begin on Wednesday, July 1st. Also, he clarified that entertainment venues can open at 50% capacity with a CAP of 1,000 people.

If KD can't open with these conditions and they can't work something out with the governor's office, it would be nice if they would at least make their silver/gold passes usable at Dorney and Carowinds or upgrade them to platinum for the year.

BGW could do similar for other SEAS parks though it wouldn't be as usable for a lot of members.

 

[WDWRLD]

Speaking as a BGW member that visits other parks Im guessing that many people that would visit other parks already have thepass that gets them access included so a upgrade for us wouldnt be helpful. As far as those that dont I doubt many would travel the distance just to visit a park because they can now get in for free. Im sure a few would but not many.

 

[rswashdc]

Speaking as a BGW member that visits other parks Im guessing that many people that would visit other parks already have thepass that gets them access included so a upgrade for us wouldnt be helpful. As far as those that dont I doubt many would travel the distance just to visit a park because they can now get in for free. Im sure a few would but not many.

For SEAS it would be more a token of appreciation that few would probably take advantage of. For KD, a lot of their passholders would be 3-4 hours drive from another Cedar Fair park, so it's not necessarily a bad concession.

 

[Jonesta6]

Is that a responsible gesture when the whole reason the parks aren't opening or have strict guest rules and/or lowered capacities to help lower the chance of spreading the virus?

I don't think it is, especially when all that gesture accomplishes is to increase potential spread at open parks, and possibly take that many more slots needed in the reservation system. Plus those parks wouldn't necessarily see much extra revenue from upgrading people to a multi-park pass.