...By transferring them to your shoulders and collarbones via thin straps.
Adding shoulder restraints to a ride that features quickly-changing lateral accelerations is virtually always a bad idea.
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Adding shoulder restraints to a ride that features quickly-changing lateral accelerations is virtually always a bad idea.
@SLC Headache, I'm genuinely curious as to why you think removing Vebolten would be financially beneficial for the park. Sure, even if you don't think it's a good ride, that doesn't mean it's not beneficial. Look at Volcano: mediocre coaster but draws in guests (and probably sells lots of Fast Lane).
Broad, unsupported generalizations like this do not help your case. I’m pretty sure water rides in dry parks in Orlando are going nowhere. Popeye, Dudley Do-Right, Jurassic Park River Adventure, Splash Mountain, and Kali River maintain long lines, because people want to get wet in Orlando, especially in the summer. That is why SWO just opened Infinity Falls.
I'm not certain that he is making a fiscal claim about V-Bolt. It seems to only be a never-ending list of weak and baseless reasons the ride is, "bad." Certainly the impression I have taken away has only been one of embitterment not of a fiduciary relationship.
Certainly the log flume at both BGW and KD seem to gather lines on hot days.
Don't get me started on the lines for the BGT water rides. I've seen 1hr waits for QQ.
On the other side of Apollo's turn around the park owns over 100 acres that are adjacent to the golf course.
Verbolten would actually have to be on the chopping block for this to be true, and it's not.
Cause he brings up how much he hates this coaster in every thread. And still hasn't actually defended any of his points as to why it's a bad ride. Just repeats over and over that it's a bad ride. I'm all of concepts in the concepts thread, even dumb ones, but this is just ridiculousness for ridiculousness's sake.
*looks at the PowerPoint presentation in the Madrid thread*
Wow, the entire area outlined in cyan is BGW's property? Hopefully Project Madrid's plot will open up expansion in that direction, then. A bridge to Festhaus Park, and that area will no longer be a dead end either.
You've just invalidated the reason I went from disliking Verbolten to outright resenting its existence - that it's not just a coaster I can't stand, it's wasting space the park needs. I'd just like to see them either work to lower the minimum height for InvadR, or for the next coaster after Madrid to be a low minimum height family coaster.
...Yes, I've gotten out of control in letting my distaste for Verbolten leak everywhere. Pretty sure I detailed why I found the ride experience lacking throughout its thread, though.
I mean imho this is just an overall bad concept; the idea of removing Verbolt for 'space' is illogical and even downright biased given how much other prime real estate the park has, and calling the ride a 'weak link' is a bit much when it remains a rather solid ride that does an excellent job of getting crowds through and keeping a line (at least, it does every time I visit the park.) that was groundbreaking in it's day. Unless something tragic happens on it, I'm not seeing it going anywhere for a while.
Haven't we beaten both the topics of family coasters and one person's monomania with hating Bolt to death yet? Regardless, this is hardly the place for either debate.
Verbolten has a dedicated thread, and there is already a long discussion about coasters for children here.
Verbolten has a dedicated thread, and there is already a long discussion about coasters for children here.
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New Concept for the Drachen Fire area: Potential RMC?
I know that KD already has an RMC (hell, I’ve even ridden it and I love it), but what if BGW decided to one-up their competitor by adding a ground-up RMC in the former area used for Drachen Fire that also follows a similar layout?
Personally, if I were to design this thing, I’d make some changes to the layout to add the iconic RMC blend into it. For example, I’d replace the cobra roll with an inversed cobra roll (like the one on Twisted Cyclone in SFOG), make the “cutback” element that was close to the queue into an overbanked turn, add a zero-g stall over the pathway, and have a dive-under element as well. If I had smthg like Planet Coaster or NL2, I’d definitely try to recreate this design I created in my head.
Is this a stupid concept? After all, it’s an example of my brain doing things with potential future roller coasters.
I know that KD already has an RMC (hell, I’ve even ridden it and I love it), but what if BGW decided to one-up their competitor by adding a ground-up RMC in the former area used for Drachen Fire that also follows a similar layout?
Personally, if I were to design this thing, I’d make some changes to the layout to add the iconic RMC blend into it. For example, I’d replace the cobra roll with an inversed cobra roll (like the one on Twisted Cyclone in SFOG), make the “cutback” element that was close to the queue into an overbanked turn, add a zero-g stall over the pathway, and have a dive-under element as well. If I had smthg like Planet Coaster or NL2, I’d definitely try to recreate this design I created in my head.
Is this a stupid concept? After all, it’s an example of my brain doing things with potential future roller coasters.
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I don't think it's the worst idea in the world, but I can't say I'm a fan of it either; I don't think drachen's layout would lend itself well go being a woodie and it feels like giving busch an RMC just to give busch an RMC. I think that if the park were to ever get an RMC it'd be something original that could better lend itself to a unique theme than essentially 'Drachen Fire 2.0'
They could make it like a suspended coaster, and the final drop could go down towards the Rhine. Paint the track red.
Oh wait
Chance bought out Morgan. Speaking of them, Lightning Run is supposed to be good, why haven't there been more Hyper GT-X coasters built since?
The only way I see the Drachen Fire area viable is if they bridge across the river. They shouldn't have dead ends (I see you Festa). That area could be a great hamlet.
In regards to adding an RMC, perhaps something along the line of a Raptor (Wonder Woman Golden Lasso or RailBlazer). Yes, capacity is lower, but we haven't seen a T-Rex yet.
Or, perhaps Vekoma's new Top Gun would anchor the DF area.
In regards to adding an RMC, perhaps something along the line of a Raptor (Wonder Woman Golden Lasso or RailBlazer). Yes, capacity is lower, but we haven't seen a T-Rex yet.
Or, perhaps Vekoma's new Top Gun would anchor the DF area.
I wouldn't say it's the only way it would be viable. I could see it working decently if the added a fourth train station and built it up similar to Festa with a big draw ride or two and a double smaller flars. Heck just having a train station that Close to October Fest would be a decent draw.
If Project Madrid puts paths towards the train tracks on the Festa Field side, we could bridge from there to Festhaus Park and then have our new hamlet.
The RMC Raptor is not intended for parks of BGW's stature. They seem to be pushing it as a clone layout. I guess they'd be targeting small parks and large FECs with these. (Of course, that didn't stop Six Flags from plopping an S&S Free Spin down at Great Adventure.) They're also moving away from topper track. Source below (whew, didn't think it'd come out that big).
By the time Project Madrid's shine has worn off, the T-Rex should be ready for prime time.
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