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RE: SeaWorld parent company of Busch Gardens Williamsburg, announces layoffs

Yes, BGW's marketing department is now practically gone. Honestly though, the people who got the boot in Zoo and Entertainment are a much, much larger deal. Very bad things happening in both of those departments.
 
Zachary said:
Yes, BGW's marketing department is now practically gone. Honestly though, the people who got the boot in Zoo and Entertainment are a much, much larger deal. Very bad things happening in both of those departments.
Wow! Who...what?
 
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Other then Zoo, Operations has not been hit yet. It is so sad I know 30 people that have lost their jobs because of this. I saw a comment about why is the company still hiring salaried positions and I asked a few friends formally with the company. The general comment I have gotten is the people laid off have been told that their positions will be posted with a new structure; less positions and more responsibility.
 
Pardon me if my response to this post is long-winded. While losing 300+ jobs for SEAS is a sad thing for the people involved (as well as their families) but back in 2010 SEAS had 350 layoffs. The layoffs in 2010 equated to less than 2% of SEAS workforce. It equates to a little more than 1% of their workforce in 2014. Most of the jobs cut will mostly be positions that don't add any real value to the company. Unfortunately SEAS is under a microscope with all the unwarranted negative publicity they are receiving of late, so it seems the layoffs are worse than they really might be. I work for Coca-Cola and positions are always being created and eliminated. For example, in the 90's and early 2000's there was an individual Key Account Manager for each grocery chain, each convenience store chain, drug chain, etc. There was also a Category Manager for each product that Coca-Cola had. A few years ago they restructured and instead of having a Category Manager for Cherry Coke and another Category Manager for Diet Cherry Coke they gave each Category Manager 2 or 3 brands and each Key Account Manager one grocery chain and one convenience and/or drug chain to make their business model more efficient and trimming some of the fat per say. I'm not sure of SEAS corporate structure at their HQ's in Orlando or at each park but I'm almost positive the layoffs won't affect the enjoyment of the parks. They're just going to trim some of the excess fat. If SEAS starts eliminating things like Christmas Town, Hall-O-Scream or closing earlier/opening later then they are truly in trouble as a company. Until then these layoffs are just the natural circle of life in the business world in my opinion. Cheers to everyone.
 
I don't think gutting Zoo can be considered "just the natural circle of life in the business world" for the reasons I have already enumerated.

I am not opposed to a restructure in principle; I am disgusted by where the cuts are taking place.
 
GoodGrief said:
Pardon me if my response to this post is long-winded. While losing 300+ jobs for SEAS is a sad thing for the people involved (as well as their families) but back in 2010 SEAS had 350 layoffs. The layoffs in 2010 equated to less than 2% of SEAS workforce. It equates to a little more than 1% of their workforce in 2014. Most of the jobs cut will mostly be positions that don't add any real value to the company. Unfortunately SEAS is under a microscope with all the unwarranted negative publicity they are receiving of late, so it seems the layoffs are worse than they really might be. I work for Coca-Cola and positions are always being created and eliminated. For example, in the 90's and early 2000's there was an individual Key Account Manager for each grocery chain, each convenience store chain, drug chain, etc. There was also a Category Manager for each product that Coca-Cola had. A few years ago they restructured and instead of having a Category Manager for Cherry Coke and another Category Manager for Diet Cherry Coke they gave each Category Manager 2 or 3 brands and each Key Account Manager one grocery chain and one convenience and/or drug chain to make their business model more efficient and trimming some of the fat per say. I'm not sure of SEAS corporate structure at their HQ's in Orlando or at each park but I'm almost positive the layoffs won't affect the enjoyment of the parks. They're just going to trim some of the excess fat. If SEAS starts eliminating things like Christmas Town, Hall-O-Scream or closing earlier/opening later then they are truly in trouble as a company. Until then these layoffs are just the natural circle of life in the business world in my opinion. Cheers to everyone.

While I understand the point you're making, the job cuts are only one aspect of this. Chopping the CEO isn't a "natural circle of life" move. They also laid off the "head figure" for HOS at BGT, I personally think that is a huge statement. While for now all we know is that at least at BGW they are removing a large part of the animals, I think that is only step one. Removing the bulk of a marketing team is never a good sign either...

I know it's too early to jump to conclusions but I really think 2015 is going to be an extremely rough year. I honestly wouldn't write off early closings/cut back days/cut back events, etc.
 
Or anybody's feelings, for that matter.

They'll probably end up cutting the F&WF and extending SSN, though.
 
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Matthew said:
I know very well what is happening, all I'm trying to say is we have no idea what is going to happen. The parks could very well be owned and operated by a different company come the opening of this season, which would make matters a lot better than they are right now, but until I see what happens to the park I cannot make any judgements. I refuse to make any judgements, in fact. Because trust me, what I've been hearing about evidence of some of the real changes happening has made me all the more sad and depressed today, I don't think I could take much more depression over the park, which is why I refuse to make pre-judgements on the events to come. I'll face that depression later.

As someone who knows relatively a lot about the animal welfare issues surrounding Sea World's orca and dolphin captivity programs (for the record, I've been interested in this issue well before Black Fish came out and I do understand that some aspects of that film are inaccurate and/or sensationalized), I was rather upset/concerned when SEAS acquired Busch Gardens. I even considered canceling my pass because I strongly disagree with the parent company's philosophy and actions regarding the animals in their care at Sea World specifically (I can not claim to know in much detail about how they treat many of the other animals at other parks in their care at this time), but I decided that I would simply have to hope that my money primarily benefits my home park and not choose to discontinue my support of BGW on that basis. Which may or may not relate to my next point...

I am also someone who knows relatively very little about the business structure of theme parks. I don't go to other parks besides BGW, I don't know about other companies that own theme parks, I have completely ZERO idea what other people in this thread are talking about with the whole Paramount King's Dominion comparison... I am ignorant. So my question for you all is, what other companies are out there that might buy BGW, and what would be the timeline for doing so? I would love to see SEAS relinquish control over this park, both for the ethical reasons I already stated and because in general I just feel they've done a bad job with BGW since they bought it on a lot of fronts. Is that a realistic wish? I just feel at this point Sea World is a sinking ship that is never going to come back from the damage that's been done to its public image (and, speaking more broadly, that it is no longer compatible with where we are as a society in terms of our constantly evolving view of animal welfare) and I'd rather BGW not have to be on that ship as it goes down!
 
Busch Gardens was NOT bought by SeaWorld. In fact it was the other way around.

According to Wikipedia:

In 1989, Anheuser-Busch purchased the theme park unit of publisher Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, which included the SeaWorld family of parks. The purchase also included two other parks in Central Florida: Cypress Gardens and Boardwalk and Baseball. Boardwalk and Baseball was promptly closed, while Cypress Gardens was later sold and transformed into Legoland Florida, which opened in October 2011. The parks were managed out of Anheuser-Busch's headquarters in St. Louis, Missouri until 2008, when the company relocated the division to Florida, where five of the company's ten parks were located.

As for your ethical reasons, what is the basis for your claims? I have taken behind the scenes tours at BGW, BGT, and SWO, and they all use modern, ethical training methods with their animals.
 
TheMostHappy said:
I was rather upset/concerned when SEAS acquired Busch Gardens.  I even considered canceling my pass because I strongly disagree with the parent company's philosophy and actions regarding the animals in their care at Sea World specifically (I can not claim to know in much detail about how they treat many of the other animals at other parks in their care at this time), but I decided that I would simply have to hope that my money primarily benefits my home park and not choose to discontinue my support of BGW on that basis.  Which may or may not relate to my next point...

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Nicole said:
Busch Gardens was NOT bought by SeaWorld.  In fact it was the other way around.

According to Wikipedia:

In 1989, Anheuser-Busch purchased the theme park unit of publisher Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, which included the SeaWorld family of parks. The purchase also included two other parks in Central Florida: Cypress Gardens and Boardwalk and Baseball. Boardwalk and Baseball was promptly closed, while Cypress Gardens was later sold and transformed into Legoland Florida, which opened in October 2011. The parks were managed out of Anheuser-Busch's headquarters in St. Louis, Missouri until 2008, when the company relocated the division to Florida, where five of the company's ten parks were located.

As for your ethical reasons, what is the basis for your claims?  I have taken behind the scenes tours at BGW, BGT, and SWO, and they all use modern, ethical training methods with their animals.

Sorry sorry, like I said I am not really into the business side of things with all this theme park stuff! I should have said it the other way around, my bad... the point I was trying to make is that I object to their continued ties- because, as I said, I think Sea World, for better or for worse, will not recover so I don't want BGW to go down with it. But again, sorry my bad, that probably makes my post confusing and I apologize.

As for the ethics stuff, I don't want to majorly derail this conversation but to put it briefly, I disagree with the very notion of keeping orcas and dolphins in captivity. It can be the best, most humane, most modern captivity ever, but I object to it on the grounds that I think captivity is inherently cruel for certain animals. I could go on at length about where I personally feel that line should be drawn in terms of what animals are suitable for captivity and which are not, but in short it's a combination of the intelligence of the animal and our ability to simulate their natural environment. Orcas and dolphins are very smart, and there is nothing we can do to even remotely approximate their natural habitats spanning thousands of miles of ocean, so to me that is clearly a case of an animal that should not be kept in captivity. But that is my own personal opinion and I respect that others here may feel differently.


Sorry to double post but just wanted to add- I really don't mean to divert this into a discussion of animal welfare because this really isn't the place, the only reason I raised that point was to explain the reasoning behind my question, which is what is the likelihood or possibility, given the current financial situation, that BGW may be able to cut ties with SEAS? And again, please forgive me because I really really don't have a grasp on the business side of this stuff so feel free to tell me if there's something I'm just not getting.
 
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TheMostHappy said:
Sorry sorry, like I said I am not really into the business side of things with all this theme park stuff!  I should have said it the other way around, my bad... the point I was trying to make is that I object to their continued ties- because, as I said, I think Sea World, for better or for worse, will not recover so I don't want BGW to go down with it.  But again, sorry my bad, that probably makes my post confusing and I apologize.

As for the ethics stuff, I don't want to majorly derail this conversation but to put it briefly, I disagree with the very notion of keeping orcas and dolphins in captivity.  It can be the best, most humane, most modern captivity ever, but I object to it on the grounds that I think captivity is inherently cruel for certain animals.  I could go on at length about where I personally feel that line should be drawn in terms of what animals are suitable for captivity and which are not, but in short it's a combination of the intelligence of the animal and our ability to simulate their natural environment.  Orcas and dolphins are very smart, and there is nothing we can do to even remotely approximate their natural habitats spanning thousands of miles of ocean, so to me that is clearly a case of an animal that should not be kept in captivity.  But that is my own personal opinion and I respect that others here may feel differently.


Sorry to double post but just wanted to add- I really don't mean to divert this into a discussion of animal welfare because this really isn't the place, the only reason I raised that point was to explain the reasoning behind my question, which is what is the likelihood or possibility, given the current financial situation, that BGW may be able to cut ties with SEAS?  And again, please forgive me because I really really don't have a grasp on the business side of this stuff so feel free to tell me if there's something I'm just not getting.



You are really confused here.... BGW cannot just simply "cut ties" with SEAS. SEAS is a corporate entity (created and IPO'd by the previous owners BlackStone), who owns/runs all the parks under it's umbrella. BGW would have to be sold by SEAS to someone else. This isn't a franchise situation.... You can't just give your corporate office the middle finger and move on.
 
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TheMostHappy said:
As for the ethics stuff, I don't want to majorly derail this conversation but to put it briefly, I disagree with the very notion of keeping orcas and dolphins in captivity.  It can be the best, most humane, most modern captivity ever, but I object to it on the grounds that I think captivity is inherently cruel for certain animals.  I could go on at length about where I personally feel that line should be drawn in terms of what animals are suitable for captivity and which are not, but in short it's a combination of the intelligence of the animal and our ability to simulate their natural environment.  Orcas and dolphins are very smart, and there is nothing we can do to even remotely approximate their natural habitats spanning thousands of miles of ocean, so to me that is clearly a case of an animal that should not be kept in captivity.  But that is my own personal opinion and I respect that others here may feel differently.

So long as we are clear that this is based on a solid sense of truthiness and no actual quantifiable data. The reason I ask is that in a 1991 NOAA study for Congress it was determined that dolphins born in captivity have very low survivability rates in the wild, low acceptance by pods, and shortened life-spans.

That is all well in good, but we are talking about conservation, the point is to help maintain species that are in danger. This is a fact often overlooked.

Also for the record, when PETA, in the mid 90s was able to convince the VA Beach City Counsel that the building of the VMSM (now VA Aquarium) habitat would be bad for them politically the rescue dolphins and born in captivity dolphins that were slated for the habitat, did not fair so well. Also the rescue center did not get the upgrade they so desperately needed. But that is a different conversation.

The point is, the money we give to the conservation fund is supposed to help rescue and preserve animals.
 
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