Busch Gardens Williamsburg Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)

[Chorizo]

Maybe an unconventional solution, but a way I think they can increase awareness for the ride is building up the general area around it with another ride or two, maybe a food stall, and turning it into a pseudo-hamlet, a la Land of the Dragons. Call it Grimms' Forest with its own marquee and name on the park maps. Instead of looking like a small piece of Oktoberfest, it would stand out as a self-contained land behind it.

 

[Ultrasuede]

About the same as what Zac said, we will get to see in the coming years if a great coaster (for what 80% of ticket holders) draws more people to that area than what was quickly found out to be a very rough and mostly unenjoyable coaster.

 

[PayneTW]

Despite what a few people have said, I think there is wide agreement that the location is problematic. Since Drachen Fire, that site has been criticized for being difficult to find and less likely to be noticed from a main path. In fact, one of the objections to the height of Big Bad 2 is that it isn’t tall enough for people to see from far away; and thus, less likely to draw people in.

Can’t unring this bell obviously, but I didn’t get why they built the Verbolten ride building the way they did then and I don’t get it now. You had an opportunity to reorient the old Wolf plot to not block off the land you had a ride on and didn’t do it. When the time came to build on Festhaus Park, you tear down/move Die Autobahn and open the plot up. Oh well!

 

[AIR]

When the original Big Bad Wolf was built, the land used for Drachen Fire was used for animal roaming to view from the railroad. The land was never "undeveloped" in the time the park has been around. Therefore, it made a lot of sense to use the valley the village was built in for the Wolf saving the animal attraction featured at the time.

 

[jonfin826]

When the original Big Bad Wolf was built, the land used for Drachen Fire was used for animal roaming to view from the railroad. The land was never "undeveloped" in the time the park has been around. Therefore, it made a lot of sense to use the valley the village was built in for the Wolf saving the animal attraction featured at the time.

On this note, were there ever at any time lions you could see from the train? My parents insist that there were but it seems so out there.

 

[netdvn]

The haunts back there consistently pull 2+ hour waits during peak periods. I don't think people will have too much trouble finding the ride.

The new signs and the new entrance portal look to be enough to draw people back there for now. You can also see the top of the lift from the bumper cars building.

It would be nice if the park added a bit more infrastructure back there. It feels like a long walk to the bathrooms and any food.

 

[@coasters_bgw]

On this note, were there ever at any time lions you could see from the train? My parents insist that there were but it seems so out there.

Perhaps they’re thinking of BGT? They have an Africa theme in parts of their park

 

[mtpelepele]

They could have been confusing it with KD's monorail as well.

 

[bradd1319]

It would help if they updated the signage around the park from opening summer to it's actually open.

 

[CoasterViking305]

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Thank y’all so much for the support from the last soundtrack video i did of this ride about a week ago. Keeping the trend going by now uploading some of the Epic Wolf’s Revenge Queue Line Soundtrack. Check it out if you’re interested

 

[Alf33]

Years ago Festhaus Park, after DF was removed, was used for concerts and the band would play on both Saturday and Sunday. The Bud & BBQ ran back there during the AB days. A lot of people found their way back there for the concerts. I seen a few groups there.

 

[Zachary]

I don't think drawing an equivalency between special event attractions and concerts—special, very specific offerings that guests are very deliberately in the park to see—and, what will in a few years be "just another family attraction at BGW" is quite right, personally. I think the audiences for these two types of experiences are quite different and I believe their behavior is likely to be, similarly, different.

 

[Irishman]

I don't think drawing an equivalency between special event attractions and concerts—special, very specific offerings that guests are very deliberately in the park to see—and, what will in a few years be "just another family attraction at BGW" is quite right, personally. I think the audiences for these two types of experiences are quite different and I believe their behavior is likely to be, similarly, different.

Are there any promos around the park besides normal maps and signage? They could paint some temporary wolf tracks or something leading to the coaster

 

[Thomas]

Adding more attractions back there, especially visible ones, is the best way to get people to go there. BBW2 alone is not going to be a draw long-term.


And honestly, relocating the picnic pavilions to the field and using their current location for flats/ expansion makes more sense to me.

 

[tursiops]

I just don't honestly see the problem. It's not that far and the train literally goes under it. Won't people notice that and be curious? Drachen Fire failed because it beat the shit out of people and wasn't a great experience. Adding 20 other rides won't change the nondescript entrance. Either people find it or they don't. I don't think most people are that incompetent.

All that said I do hope they flush it out, but I don't see that as a necessity.

 

[anobles4]

My issue is the too-sunny, sometimes thematically-clashing ride entrance plazas. Alpengeist is the best because of the shade and high level theming. But Pantheon and Tempesto are pretty bad (What does age of exploration Italy have to do with daredevils?), and I don't particularly like Invadr.

I think BBW is GREAT on theming, but I don't love that it is set back so far from other guest areas. It feels like it's past a smoking section or something. The issue is additional sprawling paths in a park that is already filled with sprawling paths.

 

[filter]

Are there any promos around the park besides normal maps and signage? They could paint some temporary wolf tracks or something leading to the coaster

I thought about that today as well. Some form of structure with claw marks and tracks leading to the entrance would have been cool

I just don't honestly see the problem. It's not that far and the train literally goes under it. Won't people notice that and be curious? Drachen Fire failed because it beat the shit out of people and wasn't a great experience. Adding 20 other rides won't change the nondescript entrance. Either people find it or they don't. I don't think most people are that incompetent.

All that said I do hope they flush it out, but I don't see that as a necessity.

I have seen and heard people at the pathway intersections looking at the maps and having no clue where they are in the park. Not an issue for seasoned park goers but you'd be surprised at how some people can't manage to find their way.

 

[willrobs3]

I have seen and heard people at the pathway intersections looking at the maps and having no clue where they are in the park. Not an issue for seasoned park goers but you'd be surprised at how some people can't manage to find their way.

Which happens at every single theme/amusement park in the world. And yes, I am surprised that people can't find their way around a circle with giant signs everywhere.

 

[Celticdog]

... The issue is additional sprawling paths in a park that is already filled with sprawling paths.

That is one of the charms of the park. Pathways that meander, vary in width and alignment.

 

[Alf33]

I don't think drawing an equivalency between special event attractions and concerts—special, very specific offerings that guests are very deliberately in the park to see—and, what will in a few years be "just another family attraction at BGW" is quite right, personally. I think the audiences for these two types of experiences are quite different and I believe their behavior is likely to be, similarly, different.

You missed my point, which is when there's something back there, as sort of tucked away as it is, to see or do people will find there way to it.