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Yeah, you just hit on something that completely obsesses me lately. What was the point of the merger? Did they really ever intend to operate 42 parks? The way they marketed it and then quickly it seemed talked about "portfolio optimization" makes me wonder if it was always the plan as well. Or was it the quick change in board and activist investors with zero tolerance for anything less than stellar performance? Was it just bad timing: that without interest rates rising tariffs, economic headwinds, they could weather the storm better? We will probably never find out. In the annual report for SIX, it does say Zimmerman's contract was terminated, so not a retirement, and not planned to work just one year into the merger. Bassoul same even though I recall he was only on a one year. So something changed and they weren't as supported. Time was up I guess and needed a change in strategy. The regional parks fascinate me anyhow because so many were built in the 70's and after SFOT and of course modeling on Disneyland, but before I think IP became more popular and before technology and cost of these attractions at destination parks cost so much. Some cities, let's face it they all wanted a slice of the action to reinvigorate declining industrial cities, but they were not all in warm weather locales, and of course in many cases, history shows us it didn't stem the bleeding, as sun belt and south has grown so much since that time. Couple that with the decline of the middle class on one end, where people may have less disposable income for a day a the local regional park, and if they do scrape it together, may forego food and merch, and on the other end the upper middle class and upper middle class, who may choose Europe or flights to Orlando over regional draws. Then there are those with no interest in walking around all day and riding coasters (what is wrong with them ha ha!) and it seems its a small captive market then of pass holders that may not be growing. I often wonder in California did we lose a generation? Teens who stopped out for two years during COVID when they should have been at Magic Mountain with their friends and are now in College maybe. But spent that time in insular gaming and social media activities. Maybe they don't have it in their blood like the rest of us to walk around all day in a park and ride rides. We lost them during the formative years. Anyhow, I could ramble on forever on this, but it does really fascinate me as a microcosm our love of these spaces is representative of much of America in the 21st century I think.

One looks at parks like Valleyfair, that struggled out of the gate, causing Cedar Point to buy, creating Cedar Fair. SF America struggled throughout its history and multiple owners. Carowinds had struggles in early years before corporate ownership. Sea World got into trouble with Magic Mountain. The list goes on of parks that while they may have had more charm in the 70's, weren't all financial juggernauts or they'd still own them. And so many seemed built on speculation much like railroads and shopping malls were. Tax incentives, cheap land in former farmlands anticipating suburban growth, etc. The Disney formula or least the Disney success was not as easy to replicate as many thought.
 
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I think the conundrum with KD is that it’s a well-performing park, but not a flagship site for a chain like SF or even when it was owned by CF. In some ways, I think it would best reach its potential if it was in a different chain than KI or Carowinds. It has a unique history and regional footprint that deserves to be celebrated and invested in without the strings-attached, copycat nature of a chain like SF/CF. I say this as someone who grew up going to KD through the various ownership transitions and considered it my home park for 20 years.
 
I can't lie, the idea of Cinnamon Bread between laps on Pantherian and Timbers sounds pretty dang good.

Herschend does feel like the best outcome here. Would be FAR less of an effort (compared to, say, Kentucky Kingdom) to bring the whole park to a standard theme tier. A nice Herschend-ification of CAG and the Dominator area would be lovely IMO.
 
I grew up going to Kings Dominion and it has always been a great park with so much charm. I love it and I really hope it gets taken by Herschend because I think it fits their portfolio really well. There is a good chance of that happening too.
Wait what do you know about KD? 👀
 
For the record, I don't have direct, hard evidence, but my inbox has been ON FIRE with rumors from historically credible people from multiple corners of this industry with tales of ongoing negotiations re: Six Flags parks to Herschend.

I don't know what specifics to believe, but I do believe something big is happening behind the scenes right now—like this very weekend. Don't know if any deals have been struck, but there's wide agreement on currently ongoing conversations at an absolute minimum.
 
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My counter to UP going after KD/SFFT is how would that help them long term? Wouldn't Dorney, Discovery Kingdom, New England, and Mexico make far more sense as a way to tap into markets they currently cannot tap into?

KD/SFFT are just close enough that while you could package the parks with BGW/SWSD they may more risk cannibalizing each other's attendance and spending.
 
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I can't imagine that UP wouldn't get into a bidding war for KD and SFFT if they are on the sale block. That's major pricing power for them in those markets. If I'm SF I would definitely be playing these buyers off one another.
It depends on what the overall plan is. Jana Partners has been really quiet since they demanded a sale of the company and were successful in getting the Chairman of the Board replaced. This could be a portfolio cleanup and debt reduction before selling off the rest of the company.
 
My counter to UP going after KD/SFFT is how would that help them long term? Wouldn't Dorney, Discovery Kingdom, New England, and Mexico make far more sense as a way to tap into markets they currently cannot tap into?

KD/SFFT are just close enough that while you could package the parks with BGW/SWSD they may more risk cannibalizing each other's attendance and spending.
If you're UP it's better to own KD/SFFT than have a better capitalized competitor come in and own pretty well established parks in your back yard. UP can do a lot of pricing rationalization between the parks and see all kinds of synergy in terms of events and operations - e.g. only of the parks needs to have a big Halloween or Xmas event during those seasons.
 
If you're UP it's better to own KD/SFFT than have a better capitalized competitor come in and own pretty well established parks in your back yard. UP can do a lot of pricing rationalization between the parks and see all kinds of synergy in terms of events and operations - e.g. only of the parks needs to have a big Halloween or Xmas event during those seasons.
I think that would be illegal cause that would create a monopoly in Virginia & San Antonio, creating anti-trust concerns

Kingswood incoming
Dorneywood

Kingswood incoming
If they bought Six Flags New England, and wanted brand synergy rather than going back to Riverside, the obvious choice is RIVERWOOD!!!

For the record, I don't have direct, hard evidence, but my inbox has been ON FIRE with rumors from historically credible people from multiple corners of this industry with tales of ongoing negotiations re: Six Flags parks to Herschend.

I don't know what specifics to believe, but I do believe something big is happening behind the scenes right now—like this very weekend. Don't know if any deals have been struck, but there's wide agreement on currently ongoing conversations at an absolute minimum.
Any more detail you can give us? Just a general query
 
Any more detail you can give us? Just a general query

There's just too much flying for me to be too sure of any of the specifics yet so it's best to keep it broad. Broadly speaking though, I've definitely become pretty convinced that the parks without park presidents returning don't have park president announcements (yet—depending on how things go) because their future in the Six Flags chain is currently uncertain.
 
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