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RE: Kings Dominion's 40th Anniversary Celebration & Park Revitalization

b.mac said:
Give it some paint and some polish and that apple will almost look edible. It's in incredibly good condition considering that it's sat in a warehouse for 30 some-odd years.

Yeah, given it was created about 40 years ago; sat out in the open for about 20 years; then stored somewhere for another 20 years.

(I am not exactly sure when the apples were removed. It could have been 1993; the 1st season under Paramount or a couple years before or after 1993. My memory is failing me on this one.)
 
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I couldn't believe it when Gene said "This is part one of a four part series." It's an eight minute video!

The marketing department at Kings Dominion has never done anything this great.
 
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It's nice to see that the first ever General Manager actually took time to come back and do this interview. It really is nice to hear everything what he said and what had taken place in the construction of what we see today. Great job Kings Dominion! I can't wait to see what is to be brought this off season and also next season!
 
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Dennis was the general manager when I worked at KD. I was employed in the rides department (Rebel Yell). I never saw much of him back in the day. But, I heard he was a hard worker and had a great sense of humor/funny. There is a picture of him standing among several seasonal employees during Kings Dominion employee appreciation day. One of the employees is wearing a Busch Gardens "The Old Country" T-shirt. He is pointing at it with this puzzled look [Huh? expression]. Good times in those days!

Its nice to see the park take the time to bring these folks in and do these interviews. Also, it gives you a glimpse of what was going on in theme park management during the years of explosive theme park growth (early-1970's through the mid-1980's).

I assume the next video will feature former park manager Wilson Flohr. I believe he succeeded Dennis in the early 1980's. (Course, that depends on whether Dennis' interview is continued in parts 2, 3, and 4!).

I did know Chance Hester (guy Dennis mentioned in the interview) while I worked there. I just don't remember his exact management position back then. I did not know Chance was a bag boy at the A&P grocery store!

Some of the pictures of International Street are from its construction in 1974. Some of the pictures come from the 1980-1981 off-season when Intl. Street was refurbished (asphalt "Freeways" on each side of the street were replaced with landscape islands, more trees, brick pavers, tables, and fountain overlooks. Also, in one of the photos in the video, you can see the orange/yellow dome - Cinema 180 building. Right next to that was the re-located scrambler ride. Both premiered for the 1981 season along with the International Street makeover.
 
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mwhinva said:
Dennis was the general manager when I worked at KD. I was employed in the rides department (Rebel Yell). I never saw much of him back in the day. But, I heard he was a hard worker and had a great sense of humor/funny. There is a picture of him standing among several seasonal employees during Kings Dominion employee appreciation day. One of the employees is wearing a Busch Gardens "The Old Country" T-shirt. He is pointing at it with this puzzled look [Huh? expression]. Good times in those days!

Its nice to see the park take the time to bring these folks in and do these interviews. Also, it gives you a glimpse of what was going on in theme park management during the years of explosive theme park growth (early-1970's through the mid-1980's).

I assume the next video will feature former park manager Wilson Flohr. I believe he succeeded Dennis in the early 1980's. (Course, that depends on whether Dennis' interview is continued in parts 2, 3, and 4!).

I did know Chance Hester (guy Dennis mentioned in the interview) while I worked there. I just don't remember his exact management position back then. I did not know Dennis was a bag boy at the A&P grocery store!

Some of the pictures of International Street are from its construction in 1974. Some of the pictures come from the 1980-1981 off-season when Intl. Street was refurbished (asphalt "Freeways" on each side of the street were replaced with landscape islands, more trees, brick pavers, tables, and fountain overlooks. Also, in one of the photos in the video, you can see the orange/yellow dome - Cinema 180 building. Right next to that was the re-located scrambler ride. Both premiered for the 1981 season along with the International Street makeover.

Spot on.
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Wow, before viewing that video, I had always thought they built the park on 395 acres of asphalt, rather than pouring it later on... ;)

If you go back and look at the movie Roller Coaster, which included filming at Kings Dominion, I find it fascinating to look at the old way the park was decorated, along with the old amusement park music playing in the background. Back then, it wasn't just a major ride attraction that brought people to amusement parks, it was the atmosphere and experience that left you feeling like you left with more than you came with. I think it's this line of thinking that makes most of us on this board sad, when Busch Gardens begins to lose this focus and lets things deteriorate, etc.

I've always called Kings Dominion a 'coaster park'. You can't argue the fact that if you're into coasters and you want to spend a day riding coasters, Kings Dominion is your park. It kind of starts and stops for me at that point. There really isn't that much more to do there. I think this is where Busch Gardens wins over, as there is much more offered, and not just all ride related.

To say Kings Dominion is better than Busch Gardens is not an apples to apples comparison. Kings Dominion will never be the park that Busch Gardens is, and Busch Gardens will never be the park Kings Dominion is. I think both parks have a different opinion on where they are now, and where they plan to go. The main thing both parks do share very closely is money trouble. Neither park can seem to manage their finances correctly, regardless of how many $7 beers they sell...

Oh, and there's no Guinness at KD. Nuff said :p
 
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19931104&id=W-cyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mQcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=1514,449550

Found this archived newspaper article from when Lion Country Safari closed.

I love how it says that the land it was on would be set aside for future attractions, but no specific plans had been made. Such a stereotypical PR statement, even then. Only took them 17 years to come up with Intimidator 305 lol
 
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Malsdad said:
Wow, before viewing that video, I had always thought they built the park on 395 acres of asphalt, rather than pouring it later on... ;)

If you go back and look at the movie Roller Coaster, which included filming at Kings Dominion, I find it fascinating to look at the old way the park was decorated, along with the old amusement park music playing in the background. Back then, it wasn't just a major ride attraction that brought people to amusement parks, it was the atmosphere and experience that left you feeling like you left with more than you came with. I think it's this line of thinking that makes most of us on this board sad, when Busch Gardens begins to lose this focus and lets things deteriorate, etc.

I've always called Kings Dominion a 'coaster park'. You can't argue the fact that if you're into coasters and you want to spend a day riding coasters, Kings Dominion is your park. It kind of starts and stops for me at that point. There really isn't that much more to do there. I think this is where Busch Gardens wins over, as there is much more offered, and not just all ride related.

To say Kings Dominion is better than Busch Gardens is not an apples to apples comparison. Kings Dominion will never be the park that Busch Gardens is, and Busch Gardens will never be the park Kings Dominion is. I think both parks have a different opinion on where they are now, and where they plan to go. The main thing both parks do share very closely is money trouble. Neither park can seem to manage their finances correctly, regardless of how many $7 beers they sell...

Oh, and there's no Guinness at KD. Nuff said :p

Many share your opinion that Kings Dominion is a coaster park ... today; But, it was not so during the Family Leisure/Taft/KECO years of ownership 1975-1992. During those 18 years of ownership under the same management, the park was a very well rounded place.

The 5 areas of the park were themed (Not to the level of detail of BGW. It was easier for them to go to greater levels of detail as the villages/hamlets were small/compact and distinct from each other, separated by woods and ravines.) The rides, attractions, restaurants, shops, and even the employee costumes at Kings Dominion were coordinated to fit the overall theme of the area.

Busch always had the edge in food and landscaping. (Though I think Kings Dominion's landscaping was better back then than it is today. Same with the food).

But, Kings Dominion and BGW ran neck and neck when it came to rides & attractions as well as entertainment. The biggest loss KD experienced, when Paramount took over, was the decimation of the park chain entertainment division Kings Productions. During the Paramount years we lost 3 entertainment venues and a restaurant with live shows in the dining room. We went from 11-13 shows during the prime summer season to 2-3 shows.

I am pretty sure I wrote this before in a forum here. But, Paramount eliminated the animal safari, the steam train, and the sky-ride cable cars. They plopped down "Movie Themed" rides all over the park without regard to the themed area it sat in. Most of the remaining detailed themeing was neglected and left to rot away; and was removed. The park ended up looking like a patchwork quilt.

The first 4 years under Paramount was not too bad, even with the removal of older attractions above. I think that was in the misplaced hope of bigger/better changes to come. After about 4 years under Paramount Studio's control, the park, along with its sister parks, were passed among the other corporate entities, like the red-headed step-child nobody wanted, under the Viacom conglomerate entity. Those last 3-4 years under the Paramount nameplate, were horrid.

Now, the Paramount Park chain is put up for sale at the beginning of 2006. The winner, of what was rumored to be a fierce bidding war, ended up being Cedar Fair. CEO Dick Kinzel got the board of directors behind him and he was determined to acquire the parks and he did for a price. Now, he has almost tripled the size of the Cedar Fair park chain and put the business under a massive debt load. A year and a half later, the economy tanks and Cedar Fair is left with a massive debt load; with very high interest rates. Looking back, it reminds me of many unfortunate folks in real estate/housing who bought homes at an inflated price with high interest rates; that, after the economy crashed, ended up owing more on the home than what it is currently worth. I feel that Cedar Fair was "Underwater" with their purchase of the former Paramount chain.

Now, Dick and company seem to get a little nervous about all of this, and that is what I think is why we ended up with the Apollo buyout attempt. A private equity firm, who was a majority Cedar Fair share owner, fought tooth and nail to prevent this Apollo buyout from happening and they succeeded. Apollo went their own way. Now Kinzel is on his way out along with almost 2/3's of the board of directors with him. Two years ago in comes Quimet and the new board members. The debt load is re-financed with much lower interest rates which, in turn, allows Cedar Fair to put more bucks toward paying down the debt and more cash to do general/capital improvements throughout the chain.

Quimet is trying to re-capture the charm and atmosphere of the older parks by starting the process to give them a gradual themed makeover. Making the different areas, within the park, have a more unified theme. He is trying to put more entertainment back into the park as well.

What is so frustrating sometimes, it the slow pace of those changes; what would normally take 2-3 years is now taking 5-6 years to do. Again, I think it is the huge debt load Cedar Fair still has hanging over them. I personally don't think Cedar Fair will turn the corner on this debt for another 8-10 years.

Now, I don't think all is doom and gloom. With the 40th anniversary happening next year and possibly carrying over to the 2015 season, we will now have 2 more areas to get a refresh with some retro themeing and charm. Yes, they still have a ways to go and I can see folks still calling Kings Dominion a "Coaster Park" for the next few years. Will the park still carry that label 5-6 years from now? Time will tell.
 
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Wow, that was amazing. I highly suggest everyone read that even if they know the gist of what was said.
 
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Reece said:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19931104&id=W-cyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mQcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=1514,449550

Found this archived newspaper article from when Lion Country Safari closed.

I love how it says that the land it was on would be set aside for future attractions, but no specific plans had been made. Such a stereotypical PR statement, even then. Only took them 17 years to come up with Intimidator 305 lol

Reece, Kings Dominion does not control the purse strings when it comes to major attractions such as I-305. It comes from the parent company.

When the animal safari was closed under Paramount Studio's ownership, they had no interest in running and maintaining a zoo. Course, KD and its sister parks was only under the control of Paramount Studio's for 4 of the 14 years under the Paramount nameplate. The other 10 years of ownership was under other corporations owned by the Viacom conglomerate (of which Paramount Studio's was a part of). Those other companies did not know what to do with the park chain and had no interest in doing any serious investment in them.

Cedar Fair took over at the end of 2006. They were under a big debt load and could not do too much with the former Paramount Park chain for the first 3-4 years of ownership. Based on those facts, it took 17 years for some of that former safari land to be used for I-305.
 
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Below is a picture of one of the Show-Time signs at Kings Dominion from the mid-1980's. I believe there was at least one of those signs in each area of the park. As you can see, there was 13 shows running that summer. So, I would say that the park was more than just rides back then. (Picture donated to the KD Golden Years Facebook site).

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As stated in my previous "novel" above, Paramount removed 3 show facilities during their ownership. Below are a few pictures of those former amphitheaters:

Flintstone Follies / Woodland Amphitheater - Located between the path to the Grove and Boulder Bumpers/Lucy's Crabbie Cabbies. Children's show and Contemporary/Pop Music reviews. (Removed during Paramount ownership).

Original look
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Later refurbished to the Woodlands Amphitheater (Mid-1980's)
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Country Crossroads Amphitheater – Located in Old Virginia. The stage would be about where the front center pre-show area is now for the Action Theater. Country Music .
(Removed during Paramount ownership).
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Safari Amphitheater – Located where the outdoor dining plaza is now (Past the Congo Grill, in front of the Stunt Coaster entrance/queue line; as you are heading to the Anaconda Entrance in the Congo Area). Bird Show/Caribbean style Music/Contemporary Music shows. Sorry this picture just shows a part of the stage while the bird show was there. (Removed during Paramount ownership) .
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And, finally a little bonus photo. The Rebel Yell crew from 1980. The guy, with glasses, on the last row on the far right (no one in front of him). That's me. :cool:
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Thanks to KD Golden Year's wonderful archive of historical Kings Dominion photos and those who generously donated them!
 
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That's really cool! Thanks for the info!
 
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mwhinva said:
Reece said:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19931104&id=W-cyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mQcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=1514,449550

Found this archived newspaper article from when Lion Country Safari closed.

I love how it says that the land it was on would be set aside for future attractions, but no specific plans had been made. Such a stereotypical PR statement, even then. Only took them 17 years to come up with Intimidator 305 lol

Reece, Kings Dominion does not control the purse strings when it comes to major attractions such as I-305. It comes from the parent company.

When the animal safari was closed under Paramount Studio's ownership, they had no interest in running and maintaining a zoo. Course, KD and its sister parks was only under the control of Paramount Studio's for 4 of the 14 years under the Paramount nameplate. The other 10 years of ownership was under other corporations owned by the Viacom conglomerate (of which Paramount Studio's was a part of). Those other companies did not know what to do with the park chain and had no interest in doing any serious investment in them.

Cedar Fair took over at the end of 2006. They were under a big debt load and could not do too much with the former Paramount Park chain for the first 3-4 years of ownership. Based on those facts, it took 17 years for some of that former safari land to be used for I-305.

I just thought it was a cool article lol
 
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I found a better picture of the former Safari Amphitheater (in the center) and boy is it OLD!!! :shocked:

I would say that it was taken either in 1975 or 1976. The King Cobra did not even exist yet (opened 1977). Take a look at the original 'mountain' called Mt. Kilimanjaro. It housed a Bayern Curve flat ride. This is the same mountain-like structure you see on your left as you enter the current FOF plaza. It is so weird to see the area of the lake, near the shore, that once housed Diamond Falls and now the Stunt coaster. If you ever wanted to see what the park looked like before the "Lost World" mountain was added (now Volcano), take a look to the left of Mt. Kilimanjaro. Also, notice the location of the Parrot Trooper ride (center right in the picture (a little hard to make out) | now the Flying Eagles in Old Virginia).

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The picture below shows the new "Lost World" mountain complex. Notice that "Mt. Kilimanjaro ride, (Bayern Curve), still existed and the park connected it to the main mountain by way of a low "mountain ridge". Finally, the latest transformation of the mountain to (Volcano). The Bayern Curve ride had been removed; but the park kept the small mountain structure that housed it. Course, FOF had already been built/opened 2 years before Volcano.

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Kings Dominion said:
FIRST on FACEBOOK: We told you there'd be many "surprises" during the off-season for our #KD40 celebration. And on Thursday of this week, we're going to reveal one of those surprises!

Here's a hint. Any guesses? Stay tuned for more clues throughout the week.

Facebook Link

I don't know about y'all, but i'm nearly certain that is a lion. Or at least an animal. So I'm guessing that they are brining back some of the animals next season!
 
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Well, most of those guessing stated either a lion or something to do with the singing mushrooms. Course, if I stare too long at the photo clue, it gives me a headache!
 
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