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How do you know the park was closed for low attendance?
Because I have been to parks before when it rained, and they operated the rides. This was not a severe storm. It was just rainy. The kind of weather the parks are absolutely capable of operating in.

This is how these Corporate Theme Parks operate these days. They get your money on season passes and then they don’t care anymore about how they treat their customers.
 
Because I have been to parks before when it rained, and they operated the rides. This was not a severe storm. It was just rainy. The kind of weather the parks are absolutely capable of operating in.

This is how these Corporate Theme Parks operate these days. They get your money on season passes and then they don’t care anymore about how they treat their customers.
So you are mad that you could not ride a coaster in potentially harmful conditions?
 
I cannot speak for Blauer, but I can say that I do get mad when I drive five and a half hours to go to a park, just for the park to close after three hours, with rides running all but thirty minutes of that time. And by the time the park closes, all the bad weather is long gone, and locals are starting to show up.
This is my experience this last spring at BGW, during Maudi Grai.
If the motivation for closing the park was safety related, why do the parks always stay open for three hours before closing? (It's because they have to pay an employee for four hours if they send them home early.)
 
I cannot speak for Blauer, but I can say that I do get mad when I drive five and a half hours to go to a park, just for the park to close after three hours, with rides running all but thirty minutes of that time. And by the time the park closes, all the bad weather is long gone, and locals are starting to show up.
This is my experience this last spring at BGW, during Maudi Grai.
If the motivation for closing the park was safety related, why do the parks always stay open for three hours before closing? (It's because they have to pay an employee for four hours if they send them home early.)
I feel like I need to point out that park's pay employees before opening and after close so they are actually paying for more then the 4 hours that they were open so that theory is gone. Mandi Grai is a hard one cause the weather is constantly changing especially later in the day.
 
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So you are mad that you could not ride a coaster in potentially harmful conditions?
Light rain is not harmful. It’s fine if some rides close during the day, but when they close the entire park for low attendance, it’s absolutely an act of pure greed over the welfare of the employees (cutting their wages) and consideration of the customers.

Unlike the park up the road Busch has a few more things that can be done on rainy day and stay dry. They have three completely indoor theaters they have the train. Now they even have datkoaster. The have covered flat rides.

Hopefully someday you will drive 500 miles and have your plans canceled because of a sprinkling rain. Then you’ll know the feeling.
 
I cannot speak for Blauer, but I can say that I do get mad when I drive five and a half hours to go to a park, just for the park to close after three hours, with rides running all but thirty minutes of that time. And by the time the park closes, all the bad weather is long gone, and locals are starting to show up.
This is my experience this last spring at BGW, during Maudi Grai.
If the motivation for closing the park was safety related, why do the parks always stay open for three hours before closing? (It's because they have to pay an employee for four hours if they send them home early.)
That’s exactly my point. These people that are defending these unethical practices of advertising operating times, and then closing at the last minute or probably yokel locals they don’t go anywhere else and haven’t traveled a long distance, and had this happen to them.
 
These people that are defending these unethical practices of advertising operating times, and then closing at the last minute or probably yokel locals they don’t go anywhere else and haven’t traveled a long distance, and had this happen to them.

No. We are simply realists who understand that parks won't willingly light tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars on fire by funding daily park operations for the 37 guests who show up.

No one likes it, but no amount of complaining 'round here is changin' it because it's just good, sane, reasonable business.

If you want to try to change it, stop complaining about it here and start contacting your representatives because that's the only way you're ever going to get these parks to act against their own best financial interests. Something tells me that a law requiring private entertainment venues to operate against their will won't be super popular, but godspeed—I wish you luck.
 
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That’s exactly my point. These people that are defending these unethical practices of advertising operating times, and then closing at the last minute or probably yokel locals they don’t go anywhere else and haven’t traveled a long distance, and had this happen to them.
I am sure they closed specifically because they knew you were there and had driven so far.
Your entitlement is amazing
 
That’s exactly my point. These people that are defending these unethical practices of advertising operating times, and then closing at the last minute or probably yokel locals they don’t go anywhere else and haven’t traveled a long distance, and had this happen to them.

You have yet, despite repeated requests, provided a shred of evidence for your claims about the motivations behind KD's decisions to close early for weather. Without knowing why they choose to change their hours, it is impossible to judge the ethics of their decisions.

Perhaps more importantly, the characterization of people who disagree with you as probable "yokel locals" is bordering on a personal attack. I can say with confidence that I am neither local nor a yokel. I merely disagree with your assumptions about both what is driving their decision making and the legitimacy of businesses acting like businesses.

Perhaps you should consider adjusting your approach to planning. I travel regularly and rarely encounter unexpected weather or closures.
 
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Didn't we do this last year before that person (Super7) deleted their account? A lot of the same weird arguments and childish insults. Kinda convinced they're the same person.

You may have some valid claims, but you lose all credibility once you throw around insults, dude.

And no, I'm not a "yokel" nor a local.
 
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No. We are simply realists who understand that parks won't willingly light tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars on fire by funding daily park operations for the 37 guests who show up.

No one likes it, but no amount of complaining 'round here is changin' it because it's just good, sane, reasonable business.

If you want to try to change it, stop complaining about it here and start contacting your representatives because that's the only way you're ever going to get these parks to act against their own best financial interests. Something tells me that a law requiring private entertainment venues to operate against their will won't be super popular, but godspeed—I wish you luck.
It’s not good saying reasonable business to anger the customers and to treat your employees like crap.

Maybe someday your employer will cut your wages and hours without any notice then you can say that’s a good sane business practice
 
It’s not good…to treat your employees like crap.

Maybe someday your employer will cut your wages and hours without any notice then you can say that’s a good sane business practice
Even in my very first job in fast food (Chick-fil-A), if it started snowing in any significant way, we’d close up shop with no notice. As hourly employees, you sorta knew this would happen from time to time. Same with heavy, continual rain.

As far as closing because of “attendance,” when things were incredibly slow, we’d be given a mandate from the manager to cut a certain number of people. Some were excited about the opportunity to leave early, others wanted hours.

It’s optimal for everyone if everything is perfect, but it’s never going to be perfect.

There are stone-cold rules in a corporate environment. Look at the difference in quality and service that you find in a farmer’s market versus a corporate grocer. Look at a corporate medical provider versus a private medical advisor.

If it makes you feel a bit worse, at a publicly-traded medical practice I worked at, we were reminded we worked for our “stakeholders,” which included patients but also included stockholders. So hitting target revenue superseded unbiased patient care. Target revenue meant we were supposed to push certain medical solutions to meet corporate goals. It meant unnecessary procedures.

I guess my two points are:
Corporatism takes the soul out of a business and makes it cold to feelings and impacts. But we put up with it because there isn’t a better alternative.

I think you make an assumption on hourly employees. Where you might be bothered by fewer hours and a smaller paycheck, not everyone is as dependent on that final cash number. Some are willing to sacrifice the security of a consistent paycheck for the benefit of flexible working hours.
 
It’s not good saying reasonable business to anger the customers and to treat your employees like crap.

Maybe someday your employer will cut your wages and hours without any notice then you can say that’s a good sane business practice

I mean, to be honest, sometimes it is simply good, sane business to anger some customers and cut some employees.

From a cost/benefit standpoint, closing on miniscule attendance days is advantageous for these companies. There has been essentially universal agreement in the industry on that point for years now. Maybe you could claim that the knock-on effects just haven't been felt yet, but given the huge high the industry just experienced, that seems like a mighty hard sell.

Again, these businesses are acting in their own best financial interest, all of these organizations are making the same choice, and it all seems to be the result of exterior environmental factors acting upon the industry. If you want parks to start behaving differently, you have to change that environment—almost certainly through regulation.

Maybe I could envision advocating for a new law that would require businesses pay employees for the entire length of time they're scheduled to work (as long as that employee is present/available to work) regardless of whether or not the business needs them or actually gives them work to accomplish. That would take away a lot of the financial incentive for parks closing due to low attendance—not all of the incentive mind you—there are other costs to doing business beyond just labor—but it would very notably tip the scales. I do worry though that such a policy could deincentivize businesses from assigning hours in advance and instead encourage them to request employees stay longer/pickup more hours as available day-of. I'm not sure that's actually an improvement financially or logistically for employees—but I'd probably be interested to see it experimented with. If nothing else, it would improve hours transparency and increase employee agency—those seem like solid improvements to me.
 
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Hopefully someday you will drive 500 miles and have your plans canceled because of a sprinkling rain. Then you’ll know the feeling.

Can't say I done 500 miles but 200+ to get there and have the park closing as I pulled in been there. But hey it really wasn't a big deal went to the hotel and did something else in the area and then went back the next day. It seems rather short sited to be driving 500 miles for one day. If you are going to do that it might be a good idea to check the weather in advance and change plans accordingly.
 
It’s not good saying reasonable business to anger the customers and to treat your employees like crap.

Maybe someday your employer will cut your wages and hours without any notice then you can say that’s a good sane business practice
I work in the construction industry, our guys make good money, depending on where we are working they may be the highest paid guys in that town. But if the weather is too cold to work or the rain is to bad, or even if the ground is so soft they can’t work for days at a time. It’s part of business. I understand your mindset but before you side with the employees based off pure emotion, I thought I would share, one of my company benefits is we guarantee 40 hours (this is incredibly rare in the industry) but if we should miss time you can come in and do busy work (paint, service equipment, deep clean, do grounds work all for your standard pay) we offer this benefit and in the 6 years I have been here not one time as anyone took advantage of it. If we call off work and they are gone. When left with the choice 98% of employees enjoy a day off with our pay.
 
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It’s not good saying reasonable business to anger the customers and to treat your employees like crap.

Maybe someday your employer will cut your wages and hours without any notice then you can say that’s a good sane business practice
Others have touched on this, but that's just the way that it is in this industry sometimes. It would suck to have your hours cut in an environment where operations can be a bit steadier, but in outdoor entertainment closing early or having to cut down on operations from time to time should be expected.

I personally love getting to go home early, but I really value my free time. A lot of my employees love getting to go home early! But I also know plenty who would rather stay. It is really dependent on the individual but getting sent home early is a pretty likely reality when working in theme parks.

Edit: Mushroom in the comment below makes great points. Park employees work a lot!! Not sure how it is at other parks but, unless otherwise specified, employees at my waterpark work open to close, typically 10 hour shifts. Scheduling is pretty free, and you are welcome to come in on days off to get more hours. But with such long days, which then become long weeks depending on how often you work, getting to leave early is often a very pleasant surprise.
 
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It’s not good saying reasonable business to anger the customers and to treat your employees like crap.

Maybe someday your employer will cut your wages and hours without any notice then you can say that’s a good sane business practice

I worked for a major theme park through high school and part of college for about 5 years. The park would sometimes close for weather (or, as you say, low attendance). Anecdotally, no one I worked with, across multiple departments, ever seemed to mind.

Frankly, because of staffing issues, the hours were usually so long — I typically logged about 60 hours a week during summers, and so did most everyone I worked with — that people usually jumped at any chance to go home early or take a day off that they could get. In my experience, weather closures were almost universally received as a gift of a day off or a free chance to go home early. And even if a whole day got knocked out, most employees were still probably hitting 40+ hours for the week. (And if you really wanted those extra hours, trust me, the park would gladly let you come in on one of your scheduled days off to make up for it.)

I’m sure there are employees out there who feel differently, but I can’t recall a single employee who was vocally upset about weather closures during my entire 5 years at that park — quite the opposite. So, I don’t really buy your argument that early closures constitutes poor treatment of employees.
 
Maybe I could envision advocating for a new law that would require businesses pay employees for the entire length of time they're scheduled to work (as long as that employee is present/available to work) regardless of whether or not the business needs them or actually gives them work to accomplish. That would take away a lot of the financial incentive for parks closing due to low attendance—not all of the incentive mind you—there are other costs to doing business beyond just labor—but it would very notably tip the scales.
As someone that works at a place as effected by weather as parks:
HARD PASS ON THIS

As someone that ran outside operations for a golf course I would have been more likely then to hire less people and just put them to full time rather than have a bunch of part time people. There’s being laws batted around in some states like “minimum pay” for things like this (like minimum 3 hours pay) but this would still impact hiring practices.

This is just my opinion but when you take a job like this you are working under conditions, it should come with the territory that you understand it can happen. Personally I think it should be like retail on non-peak days: have a core park of staff, then have some people staggered starting as “On call” where they have the responsibility to call 2 hours before their shift to see how needed they are. I did that at the last course I worked at and it was perfect.
 
These companies are profitable. Cutting lower paid employee hours just boosts profits for shareholders and executives. It’s greed well defined
 
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These companies are profitable. Cutting lower paid employee hours just boosts profits for shareholders and executives. It’s greed well defined
The solution I came up with in my life is…work for a local company and spend my money at non-chain, locally owned places. Buy my groceries from local people. And then, to save money, grow my own meat and use my own eggs. Find friends who need eggs, chicken, and turkey, and barter with them.

Other items, shop at non-profit thrift stores first. Then see if I can find a second-hand item. Attend auctions.

If greed bothers you, don’t feed it. Find your community and make sure your money stays in it.
 
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