Verbolten (Project Announcement Fall 2011 Through Opening Discussion August 2012)
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RE: Verbolten
Partyrocker, calm down man, you're all over the place.
Partyrocker, calm down man, you're all over the place.
RE: Verbolten
From what I have heard the ride is already a week behind schedule due to them having troubles with the event building theming.
From what I have heard the ride is already a week behind schedule due to them having troubles with the event building theming.
RE: Verbolten
Saying the GP does not care about theming is not totally true. If it was why would the park spend a bunch of money for some coaster dorks? No, they probably won't appreciate as much as an enthusiast would, but saying they don't care about theming is not true.
Saying the GP does not care about theming is not totally true. If it was why would the park spend a bunch of money for some coaster dorks? No, they probably won't appreciate as much as an enthusiast would, but saying they don't care about theming is not true.
RE: Verbolten
Right, they don't notice, remember and talk on the internet about the details, but they do appreciate it and it does bring people into the park. Disney didn't make it from following the Six Flags strategy.
MichaelCollier said:
Right, they don't notice, remember and talk on the internet about the details, but they do appreciate it and it does bring people into the park. Disney didn't make it from following the Six Flags strategy.
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90seconds, for the 90th time, is NOT a short roller coaster, especially for a launched one.
A few other coasters that are appx. 80-105sec (lift hill excluded to final break run):
Cheetah Hunt
Griffon
Alpengeist
Apollo's Chariot
Raging Bull
Batman the Ride
Nitro
Talon
Hydra
Steel Force
Intimidator 305
Volcano
Dominator
El Toro
Tatsu
X2
Hollywood Rip Ride Rocket
The Hulk
Goliath
Raptor
Magnum XL-200
Millennium Force
Maverick
and finally, including the second chain lift
The Big Bad Wolf
So how about we all accept that the ride is going to be 90seconds just like the fact sheet said, (give or take 5seconds or so) and that we are not getting a 3min ride time and that 90seconds is just fine. Sound good kiddos?
90seconds, for the 90th time, is NOT a short roller coaster, especially for a launched one.
A few other coasters that are appx. 80-105sec (lift hill excluded to final break run):
Cheetah Hunt
Griffon
Alpengeist
Apollo's Chariot
Raging Bull
Batman the Ride
Nitro
Talon
Hydra
Steel Force
Intimidator 305
Volcano
Dominator
El Toro
Tatsu
X2
Hollywood Rip Ride Rocket
The Hulk
Goliath
Raptor
Magnum XL-200
Millennium Force
Maverick
and finally, including the second chain lift
The Big Bad Wolf
So how about we all accept that the ride is going to be 90seconds just like the fact sheet said, (give or take 5seconds or so) and that we are not getting a 3min ride time and that 90seconds is just fine. Sound good kiddos?
RE: Verbolten
Carter: Stop using facts.
Carter: Stop using facts.
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NO! WE WON'T @($*@%ING FIGURE IT OUT WHEN THE RIDE OPENS! THE GOD (!*#&$ FACT SHEET SAID IT WOULD 90SECONDS! IT WILL BE @#(*@&ING 90SECONDS WHICH IS TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE!
Swift, if you take away my caps I will wreck havoc on you.
NO! WE WON'T @($*@%ING FIGURE IT OUT WHEN THE RIDE OPENS! THE GOD (!*#&$ FACT SHEET SAID IT WOULD 90SECONDS! IT WILL BE @#(*@&ING 90SECONDS WHICH IS TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE!
Swift, if you take away my caps I will wreck havoc on you.
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This ride will obviously be three hours long including 30 minute intermission.
This ride will obviously be three hours long including 30 minute intermission.
RE: Verbolten
Can we just temporarily close this thread until someone has something legitimately interesting to post on it?
Can we just temporarily close this thread until someone has something legitimately interesting to post on it?
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I meant, the GP walks by it and doesn't think twice about it. Yeah they may look and say that looks cool, but if it was poorly themed, they wouldn't care too much. My example: LNM is extremely themed, though used sometimes, the queue is usually left ignored and doesn't impress much of the GP unless their attention is drawn to it. Griffon is not that greatly themed as LNM, yet the GP does not notice that. To be honest, they are mostly there for the thrills.
If something is greatly themed and it stands out to the GP, they will admire it for a bit, but they aren't going to have a debate about how good/bad it is.
On the other side of things! I am going to assume the park know somewhat of what they are doing and they are just planning to get through testing between April and June. I heard that the ride is 100% set to open Memorial Day and that if the ride happens to be ready before then, they will do soft openings as soon as the ride is ready. Of course, I assume that to be natural with all rides. My point being, they don't seem to be fully committed to a set ride open date. They said 2012, they said March, they said Spring, they said Late Spring. They have said too many things for me to keep up with. I am sure they have a date they want, not necessarily a date they are sure about.
As for ride length, Carter just face it. The park gave two different times. Both in the extremes, and as much as you may be right, there will be people who are stuck with the first number, there will be people stuck on the second number, and then there are people like me who just couldn't care and want to wait until it opens to find out.
The park seems to be throwing out a lot of mixed up information. Any chances they are trying to confuse us, lol
MichaelCollier said:
I meant, the GP walks by it and doesn't think twice about it. Yeah they may look and say that looks cool, but if it was poorly themed, they wouldn't care too much. My example: LNM is extremely themed, though used sometimes, the queue is usually left ignored and doesn't impress much of the GP unless their attention is drawn to it. Griffon is not that greatly themed as LNM, yet the GP does not notice that. To be honest, they are mostly there for the thrills.
If something is greatly themed and it stands out to the GP, they will admire it for a bit, but they aren't going to have a debate about how good/bad it is.
On the other side of things! I am going to assume the park know somewhat of what they are doing and they are just planning to get through testing between April and June. I heard that the ride is 100% set to open Memorial Day and that if the ride happens to be ready before then, they will do soft openings as soon as the ride is ready. Of course, I assume that to be natural with all rides. My point being, they don't seem to be fully committed to a set ride open date. They said 2012, they said March, they said Spring, they said Late Spring. They have said too many things for me to keep up with. I am sure they have a date they want, not necessarily a date they are sure about.
As for ride length, Carter just face it. The park gave two different times. Both in the extremes, and as much as you may be right, there will be people who are stuck with the first number, there will be people stuck on the second number, and then there are people like me who just couldn't care and want to wait until it opens to find out.
The park seems to be throwing out a lot of mixed up information. Any chances they are trying to confuse us, lol
RE: Verbolten
I'm literally about to jump through the internet....If we count ride time from the moment you sit in your seat, get your restraint checked, roll out of the station, ride the ride, get to the final break run, get to the station, and then unbuckle your restraint it could very easily be 3min (Griffon is 3min if you calculate it that way...). But it looks like park didn't think that was the best way to report ride time, so my best bet is that they recalculated it to represent "actual ride time."
90 seconds is NOT an extreme. It's a perfectly average ride length. Let's use logic here: the >3,000ft long track will not and can not be 3min+ with 5 trains, it does not make any sense that Busch just "doesn't know" ride length, etc etc etc
I was right about the ride being called Verbolten, I will be right about the ride length, and do you guys know why? Because I take a freaking second to think. I'm not discussing ride length again until we watch a POV and see that from leaving the station to final brake run the ride is 90seconds.
I'm literally about to jump through the internet....If we count ride time from the moment you sit in your seat, get your restraint checked, roll out of the station, ride the ride, get to the final break run, get to the station, and then unbuckle your restraint it could very easily be 3min (Griffon is 3min if you calculate it that way...). But it looks like park didn't think that was the best way to report ride time, so my best bet is that they recalculated it to represent "actual ride time."
90 seconds is NOT an extreme. It's a perfectly average ride length. Let's use logic here: the >3,000ft long track will not and can not be 3min+ with 5 trains, it does not make any sense that Busch just "doesn't know" ride length, etc etc etc
I was right about the ride being called Verbolten, I will be right about the ride length, and do you guys know why? Because I take a freaking second to think. I'm not discussing ride length again until we watch a POV and see that from leaving the station to final brake run the ride is 90seconds.
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I was saying 90 minutes COULD be an extreme. It depends on how you calculate ride time. What I was trying to get across is, the park has thrown out multiple answers for the same question. I never said the park didn't know. After all they spent $50 million, they should. I know I'd be pretty ticked off if I spent that much not knowing about the ride. Like I said, you can be right, but we won't know until we get a POV.
I was saying 90 minutes COULD be an extreme. It depends on how you calculate ride time. What I was trying to get across is, the park has thrown out multiple answers for the same question. I never said the park didn't know. After all they spent $50 million, they should. I know I'd be pretty ticked off if I spent that much not knowing about the ride. Like I said, you can be right, but we won't know until we get a POV.
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I know how long the ride is is pretty much the single most important thing about this ride. However, what if we're asking the wrong question here? What if how fun the coaster is doesn't depend on how long it is, but what kind of dimensional space is resides in?! I know what you're thinking, "PzP, you ruggedly hansom fool, your wrong. Everybody knows that a roller coaster only takes up three dimensions." I agree with that and I'm probably wrong and I'm silly for even suggesting it.
BUT WHAT IF I'M NOT?! As I'm going to write down on my chalk board, all we have to do is look at the math and compare the suggested ride times.
3*60, the number of seconds in a government sanctioned minute= 180 seconds
180/5 trains = 36
36+4, the number of non-kiddy roller coasters currently at the park = 40
40/10, the level of Socialist Obama is=4, the number of dimensions for the ride time originally suggested.
However, if we do the math for a 90 second ride, it paints a different picture.
90*8, the number of turns on the top level of Cheetah Chase, a ride that used to be at Busch Gardens BUT IS NO LONGER HERE! = 720
720/2, the number of loops on LNM=360
360*1, the number of times the average person rides EitA in their lifetime =360
360/120, the atomic weight of Unbinilium = 3 the number of dimensions Verbolten has with a 90 second ride time.
AS WE CAN SEE, THE REASON THE LENGTH WAS CHANGED IS BECAUSE BUSCH GARDENS WAS TRYING TO BUILD A COASTER THAT TRANSCENDED TIME AND SPACE!
It you think about it, just look at the park's history.
1) The park has tried multiple times to create a ride that hit the 4th dimension. Look at Pirates, Corkscrew Hill, DarKastle. These are early attempts to bridge extra dimensions.
2) Bolt had been in development for years, but the Large Hadron Collider had a lot of delays opening. One could think that the fact that the Higgs boson particle has not been found yet could be responsible for the change in times.
3) During HoS, a lot of religious people were upset with the park about the Nurses. I don't think they would have wanted to alienate Southern Virginia's massive scientist population as well by creating something so controversial.
4) This could have easily been one of the "Firsts" the park was talking about.
At this point, this may /seem/ like a joke making fun of the recent and inane discussion about how long the ride is, but why isn't anybody asking these questions. Why hasn't somebody asked the park these questions. Why doesn't anybody stand up for their rights, call up customer support, and ask, "Why isn't Verbolten an extra-dimensional ride? Were there construction delays? Was there some sort of accident? Did the park accidentally create a black hole?" I think it's our right to know this information, because, as we all know, riding a coaster is not as important as knowing every single minute detail.
I know how long the ride is is pretty much the single most important thing about this ride. However, what if we're asking the wrong question here? What if how fun the coaster is doesn't depend on how long it is, but what kind of dimensional space is resides in?! I know what you're thinking, "PzP, you ruggedly hansom fool, your wrong. Everybody knows that a roller coaster only takes up three dimensions." I agree with that and I'm probably wrong and I'm silly for even suggesting it.
BUT WHAT IF I'M NOT?! As I'm going to write down on my chalk board, all we have to do is look at the math and compare the suggested ride times.
3*60, the number of seconds in a government sanctioned minute= 180 seconds
180/5 trains = 36
36+4, the number of non-kiddy roller coasters currently at the park = 40
40/10, the level of Socialist Obama is=4, the number of dimensions for the ride time originally suggested.
However, if we do the math for a 90 second ride, it paints a different picture.
90*8, the number of turns on the top level of Cheetah Chase, a ride that used to be at Busch Gardens BUT IS NO LONGER HERE! = 720
720/2, the number of loops on LNM=360
360*1, the number of times the average person rides EitA in their lifetime =360
360/120, the atomic weight of Unbinilium = 3 the number of dimensions Verbolten has with a 90 second ride time.
AS WE CAN SEE, THE REASON THE LENGTH WAS CHANGED IS BECAUSE BUSCH GARDENS WAS TRYING TO BUILD A COASTER THAT TRANSCENDED TIME AND SPACE!
It you think about it, just look at the park's history.
1) The park has tried multiple times to create a ride that hit the 4th dimension. Look at Pirates, Corkscrew Hill, DarKastle. These are early attempts to bridge extra dimensions.
2) Bolt had been in development for years, but the Large Hadron Collider had a lot of delays opening. One could think that the fact that the Higgs boson particle has not been found yet could be responsible for the change in times.
3) During HoS, a lot of religious people were upset with the park about the Nurses. I don't think they would have wanted to alienate Southern Virginia's massive scientist population as well by creating something so controversial.
4) This could have easily been one of the "Firsts" the park was talking about.
At this point, this may /seem/ like a joke making fun of the recent and inane discussion about how long the ride is, but why isn't anybody asking these questions. Why hasn't somebody asked the park these questions. Why doesn't anybody stand up for their rights, call up customer support, and ask, "Why isn't Verbolten an extra-dimensional ride? Were there construction delays? Was there some sort of accident? Did the park accidentally create a black hole?" I think it's our right to know this information, because, as we all know, riding a coaster is not as important as knowing every single minute detail.
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I'm seriously considering deleting every post in this thread except the first post.
To everyone: We are better than the crap that has been spewing out of this thread in the past months. The maturity level here lately is that of a Justin Bieber concert.
Please just try to post something sounding actually educated. Leave the sarcasm at home.
I'm seriously considering deleting every post in this thread except the first post.
To everyone: We are better than the crap that has been spewing out of this thread in the past months. The maturity level here lately is that of a Justin Bieber concert.
Please just try to post something sounding actually educated. Leave the sarcasm at home.
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Everything in this thread relates to the ride. It's good discussion. Let them go back and forth. That's usually a good way to figure things out. No need to delete everything in the thread. That'd be a good way to push people away. Make them think the mods are just a bunch of controlling people. Rant over- I am siding with Carter here.
Everything in this thread relates to the ride. It's good discussion. Let them go back and forth. That's usually a good way to figure things out. No need to delete everything in the thread. That'd be a good way to push people away. Make them think the mods are just a bunch of controlling people. Rant over- I am siding with Carter here.
RE: Verbolten
Using the track schematics, figuring the possible launch speed with given G-force through launch segment one, comparing the needed speed for the final hill climb and descent speed over the river using a terminal velocity formula for average speed gain on said drop height. Yea, 90 seconds to just under is pretty on point.
Use math, people, it is much better than monotonous drivel.
Using the track schematics, figuring the possible launch speed with given G-force through launch segment one, comparing the needed speed for the final hill climb and descent speed over the river using a terminal velocity formula for average speed gain on said drop height. Yea, 90 seconds to just under is pretty on point.
Use math, people, it is much better than monotonous drivel.
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And so what if we or the fact sheet is a little off on the ride time? Why does everyone care so much. I am just as much as a roller coaster geek as all of you, but come on, this is silly.
And so what if we or the fact sheet is a little off on the ride time? Why does everyone care so much. I am just as much as a roller coaster geek as all of you, but come on, this is silly.
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