Verbolten (Project Announcement Fall 2011 Through Opening Discussion August 2012)

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^^That's what I'm saying! Just chill out everyone, Gavin makes sense, but no one is 100% accurate until the ride is finished testing at full speed. It's like I said before, both times seem to be a bit extreme. One is too long, the other too short. Why put all your faith into a little piece of webpage/paper? I think the ride might lean more towards 2 minutes, at least.
 
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Jumping from 3.5 minutes to 90 seconds seems kind of a big jump for just discrepancies in steel and wheels... I think it is somewhere in the middle, like 2 minutes to 2.5 minutes... Busch should be able to estimate within 30 seconds with computer models... I just don't think Busch is telling us the full story... Maybe 90 seconds is from station to final brake run and 3:25 is station to station again (Keep in mind that griffon is listed as 3 minutes, but you really have 1:30 of ride time as the rest of that is waiting outside of the station)... Either way, Busch is being vague, or flat out lying to us
 
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I305Evan said:
we don't know if anything is true or not until testing is done and the ride is tested at full speed. but gavins post makes since. volcano is 1 minutes 10 seconds and verbolten might be 1 minute 30 seconds. Verbolten is slower, just a tad bit longer, has 3-5 MCBR's at least 2 of those are trim brake zones (before the drop track section, and bridge). 90 seconds just doesn't make since at all. I can see more toward the 3 minutes 25 seconds but maybe shave some time off that. No one can really give a given ride time on anything.
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I agree with you every bit that Verbolten is going to be slower and here's why.

From what I see (based on the info we have) that they are going to have these block breaks.
1) Before the drop track section
2) Drop track section
3) Bridge

Some of you are wondering why the drop section can be considered a block break? Here's the reason. The drop track will not drop if the track is occupied between the drop section and the bridge. This means the train needs to be occupying the block between the safety breaks and the bridge in order for the drop track to drop. Which I, don't think we will be waiting that long in the drop track section, only if there is some sort of problem with the ride that the control system sees.

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Busch should be able to estimate within 30 seconds with computer models... I just don't think Busch is telling us the full story... Maybe 90 seconds is from station to final brake run and 3:25 is station to station again (Keep in mind that griffon is listed as 3 minutes, but you really have 1:30 of ride time as the rest of that is waiting outside of the station)... Either way, Busch is being vague, or flat out lying
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cpt Awesome you are right that Busch knows how long the ride is. They know this info from Zierer who designed the ride to what Busch want. They just don't want to tell the general public the real info and make it as vague as they can. This way, they keep everybody guessing how long the ride is really going to be. Just remember that the event building is the big kicker to the whole thing here.
 
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Why is 90 seconds so far fetched for some of you? Theres no lift hill. Theres a launch moments after leaving the station. We know once inside the event building that the trains will be moving at a pretty fast clip, because of the extreme banking (80+ degrees I believe) at one point. We know the train only brakes briefly before reaching the drop section.

Ok, heres what we DONT know, which may put more time on the clock. We dont know how long the trains will 'sit' while waiting to drop in the event building. Perhaps there will be a delay, allowing anamatronics and lights and other 'events' to happen to the waiting riders before dropping 20 feet.

But we DO know that once the train drops and launches, its right out and up to the bridge, which, too, shouldnt take long at all. Then the drop over the Rhine and back to the station.

All this can EASILY take place in one minute thirty seconds fellas. Like I said, its just the drop section that can add time if Busch wants to add suspense and production value inside the event building (which is my guess).

Thoughts?
 
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Not much else to talk about. Unless we want to discuss the Giants win... but Im sure Swift and Chris dont want that :D
 
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You just covered what I was getting at by "the big kicker"
Ok, heres what we DONT know, which may put more time on the clock. We dont know how long the trains will 'sit' while waiting to drop in the event building. Perhaps there will be a delay, allowing anamatronics and lights and other 'events' to happen to the waiting riders before dropping 20 feet.
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The show in the event building will add a good bit of time to the whole ride, which we don't know the real time. That's why we are going by what Roller Coaster Database has down for duration, which is 3:25 minutes.
But we DO know that once the train drops and launches, its right out and up to the bridge, which, too, shouldnt take long at all.
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I would say about 90 seconds to that section without any problems which would make since.
 
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I think the 3.5 minutes is actual in seat time and includes the wait time for dispatching and waiting time to unload. The 90 seconds is actual ride time.
 
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Enough of this boredom talk. Let's talk marketing for a second. The brochure has been released to the general public. Are you ready to take a look inside?

1. The cover is the default concept art for V-bolt. Nothing special. Strange that the park is still using the Vanish Point concept art after the ride's already opened though.
2. The park now classifies V-bolt as an "extreme thrill ride". Personally I'd prefer it placed in the family ride section and keep Mach in the thrills section.
3. Mach is now family ride material.
4. "Roll out the Barrel" is the park's newest show (and possibly part of a Festhaus update).
5. A pic of Vanish Point in action has been added to the Water Country thrills page.
6. Just for fun, Verbolten vs. Cheetah Hunt. I love the little banner at the bottom of the BGT brochure. Why can't BGW do something like that?

Oh and the 2007 brochure totally beats the 2011/2012 brochure. :p

EDIT: I added another just for fun piece... Verbolten vs. Windseeker.
 

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netdvn said:
Enough of this boredom talk. Let's talk marketing for a second. The brochure has been released to the general public. Are you ready to take a look inside?

1. The cover is the default concept art for V-bolt. Nothing special. Strange that the park is still using the Vanish Point concept art after the ride's already opened though.
2. The park now classifies V-bolt as an "extreme thrill ride". Personally I'd prefer it placed in the family ride section and keep Mach in the thrills section.
3. Mach is now family ride material.
4. "Roll out the Barrel" is the park's newest show (and possibly part of a Festhaus update).
5. A pic of Vanish Point in action has been added to the Water Country thrills page.
6. Just for fun, Verbolten vs. Cheetah Hunt. I love the little banner at the bottom of the BGT brochure. Why can't BGW do something like that?

Oh and the 2007 brochure totally beats the 2011/2012 brochure. :p

EDIT: I added another just for fun piece... Verbolten vs. Windseeker.
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I want to know how you got these brochures 2 years ago?
 
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You are not going to just fly by in the event building. The event building is their show, all their hard works has practically gone into just that one part, millions of dollars, and you think your just going to fly by with no ability to see anything around you. I am sure you won't be going top speed in the building.
 
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No... they said that top speed was 53mph... That's probably the speed at the bottom of the final drop
 
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cpt Awesome said:
I would say that TOP speed in the building is 25-30 mph
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Something tells me that you are very wrong. Remember, there are multiple turns in that building that almost reach 90 degrees. You don't just coast around 90 degree turns.
 
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