Verbolten (Project Announcement Fall 2011 Through Opening Discussion August 2012)
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It's the show in the event building that will add time to the ride. If you run the ride straight through its going to be less.
It's the show in the event building that will add time to the ride. If you run the ride straight through its going to be less.
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griffon is not 3 minutes...2 at the most. that aside, you have to put into consideration that there is no lifthill on this coaster which takes away about a minute of ride time. itll be ok at 90 seconds, but like what was said before, the building will hopefully take up more of that time making the ride longer than 90 seconds.
griffon is not 3 minutes...2 at the most. that aside, you have to put into consideration that there is no lifthill on this coaster which takes away about a minute of ride time. itll be ok at 90 seconds, but like what was said before, the building will hopefully take up more of that time making the ride longer than 90 seconds.
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It depends on what is considered ride duration. If you count loading to unloading, that will add to the time.
But if you consider when the train leaves the station to the final braking, then it'll be shorter of course.
ThemeParkInsider has a full POV for Griffon. Leaving the station to final braking is almost 2:00 on the dot, but if you consider loading to unloading, it's pushing 3:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fXL7dW__sE
It depends on what is considered ride duration. If you count loading to unloading, that will add to the time.
But if you consider when the train leaves the station to the final braking, then it'll be shorter of course.
ThemeParkInsider has a full POV for Griffon. Leaving the station to final braking is almost 2:00 on the dot, but if you consider loading to unloading, it's pushing 3:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fXL7dW__sE
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i KNEW that 3:25 seemed waaaay too long for a ride with no lift hill and layout like Verbolten. 90 seconds seems much more reasonable. We all know how many times the ride will brake or slow to a stop, and we all know that it isnt much inside the event building (as far as length of track). 90 seconds is kinda upsetting though...
i KNEW that 3:25 seemed waaaay too long for a ride with no lift hill and layout like Verbolten. 90 seconds seems much more reasonable. We all know how many times the ride will brake or slow to a stop, and we all know that it isnt much inside the event building (as far as length of track). 90 seconds is kinda upsetting though...
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I consider the loading and unloading as part of the ride duration. Since the time starts when the load gates open to the time unload gates are closed.waross said:
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Gavin, where do you think they got the data from? Obviously from the original fact sheet... Not trying to sound sarcastic, but just pointing that out. Not trying to be offensive.
Gavin, where do you think they got the data from? Obviously from the original fact sheet... Not trying to sound sarcastic, but just pointing that out. Not trying to be offensive.
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I just want to point out that there are some folks over at TPR who are just now finding that new construction video from the 27th.... and they think they are the first to find it.
I just want to point out that there are some folks over at TPR who are just now finding that new construction video from the 27th.... and they think they are the first to find it.
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*facepalm* Dang, I feel stupid.... Keep forgetting the types of people we have in our midst
Sorry
Gavin said:
*facepalm* Dang, I feel stupid.... Keep forgetting the types of people we have in our midst
SorryRE: Verbolten
The trains have vanished from the employee lot. Perhaps taken on site, which doesn't surprise me.
Regarding the length and time of this ride, it will obviously be short. Their is no lift hill and the track really is not that long. However, I have a strong feeling it will be between 3 minutes and 1 minute and a half; perhaps 2 minutes. Either way, this ride won't take long to ride. The longest part of this ride will be the event building. They have spent millions alone on just the special effects and themeing in this building, do you think they are going to just let you fly by without admiring their hard work?
Regarding the bridge, whatever is in the plans is definitely there, why else request to remove the plans from a small site (no offense)? They already mentioned the drop and you know that is probably the most the public will ever hear of the bridge.
In general, this is one of the most secretive rides under construction I can think of. They are not going to just give us every little detail. Even the ones they already given us may not be exact. My point is, they are trying to keep this ride top secret and unknown until March, obviously. That or their marketing really, really suck. As we can see from Facebook the general public will get super hyped about anything quickly. Have you seen the GP's response to the videos that have been out for months? The park knows they don't have to do much to hype up the public. For us, our work is hyping us up without the park trying. Under cover pictures of the trains really sparked conversation.
From a marketing stand point, this could be good for the park. Yes, it is bad that no one knows nothing at all, really. However, when March comes around, I am almost positive the park is going to sky rocket and advertise in every place they can get their hands on. March is when they really want people to start thinking about this new ride. Yes, they could do that now, but honestly a member of the general public is going to see a commercial and say, "That looks awesome, can't wait to ride it!" and then they forget the next week. If they advertise in March the general public will think that it is totally awesome and then start making plans to come as soon as possible, especially since the park opens in a week or so into March.
I know I am not 100% correct about their marketing strategy but I am pretty sure of it. I feel confident in myself that it is almost accurate.
The trains have vanished from the employee lot. Perhaps taken on site, which doesn't surprise me.
Regarding the length and time of this ride, it will obviously be short. Their is no lift hill and the track really is not that long. However, I have a strong feeling it will be between 3 minutes and 1 minute and a half; perhaps 2 minutes. Either way, this ride won't take long to ride. The longest part of this ride will be the event building. They have spent millions alone on just the special effects and themeing in this building, do you think they are going to just let you fly by without admiring their hard work?
Regarding the bridge, whatever is in the plans is definitely there, why else request to remove the plans from a small site (no offense)? They already mentioned the drop and you know that is probably the most the public will ever hear of the bridge.
In general, this is one of the most secretive rides under construction I can think of. They are not going to just give us every little detail. Even the ones they already given us may not be exact. My point is, they are trying to keep this ride top secret and unknown until March, obviously. That or their marketing really, really suck. As we can see from Facebook the general public will get super hyped about anything quickly. Have you seen the GP's response to the videos that have been out for months? The park knows they don't have to do much to hype up the public. For us, our work is hyping us up without the park trying. Under cover pictures of the trains really sparked conversation.
From a marketing stand point, this could be good for the park. Yes, it is bad that no one knows nothing at all, really. However, when March comes around, I am almost positive the park is going to sky rocket and advertise in every place they can get their hands on. March is when they really want people to start thinking about this new ride. Yes, they could do that now, but honestly a member of the general public is going to see a commercial and say, "That looks awesome, can't wait to ride it!" and then they forget the next week. If they advertise in March the general public will think that it is totally awesome and then start making plans to come as soon as possible, especially since the park opens in a week or so into March.
I know I am not 100% correct about their marketing strategy but I am pretty sure of it. I feel confident in myself that it is almost accurate.
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You make a very good point.
I think the marketing boys and girls don't want to giveaway what's going to happen in the event building to the general public, since this is biggest undertaking they have done in many years. Does this mean that, they will do the worst thing like firing a employee who they think leak the information or try to keep a website from posting it on their site, that they didn't want out just yet to do keep this ride informationtop secret they will. Are they going a little overboard? Yes.
I also think they could do better better with marketing this ride to the public without giving away the big suprise in the event building. I also think the marketing department needs to come where I work at to learn how to speak in the unclassified talk when talking about a classified project.
You make a very good point.
I think the marketing boys and girls don't want to giveaway what's going to happen in the event building to the general public, since this is biggest undertaking they have done in many years. Does this mean that, they will do the worst thing like firing a employee who they think leak the information or try to keep a website from posting it on their site, that they didn't want out just yet to do keep this ride informationtop secret they will. Are they going a little overboard? Yes.
I also think they could do better better with marketing this ride to the public without giving away the big suprise in the event building. I also think the marketing department needs to come where I work at to learn how to speak in the unclassified talk when talking about a classified project.
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I don't think they are going overboard. They don't want the information on blast for good reason. They are trying to keep their competitors at bay until the last possible moment. If you were developing and building a product, would you want the world to know before you revealed every little detail about it? NO! Would you fire employees if they leaked the information or took pictures and posted them to the internet? Yes.
I don't think they are going overboard. They don't want the information on blast for good reason. They are trying to keep their competitors at bay until the last possible moment. If you were developing and building a product, would you want the world to know before you revealed every little detail about it? NO! Would you fire employees if they leaked the information or took pictures and posted them to the internet? Yes.
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Speaking of marketing, the 2012 brochures have finally been officially released (grabbed up the first set at the Marriott near BGW). There's still a hoard of 2011 stuff left though so pick those up while you still can. Pics will come later.
I kinda prefer last year's BGT brochure (the Florida parks seem to have a slightly nicer design). Nothing can touch the 2007 design though.
As for being secretive, there comes a point where the park has to release more info. Keeping things secret keeps competitors at bay, but it also keeps the customers clueless about your project. Even Disney/Universal has done behind the scenes work on Carsland/Wizarding World to generate hype. Now's the perfect time for Busch to start releasing more info about the ride (more commercials, more insider stuff), especially if they want to make up for last year.
Speaking of marketing, the 2012 brochures have finally been officially released (grabbed up the first set at the Marriott near BGW). There's still a hoard of 2011 stuff left though so pick those up while you still can. Pics will come later.
I kinda prefer last year's BGT brochure (the Florida parks seem to have a slightly nicer design). Nothing can touch the 2007 design though.
As for being secretive, there comes a point where the park has to release more info. Keeping things secret keeps competitors at bay, but it also keeps the customers clueless about your project. Even Disney/Universal has done behind the scenes work on Carsland/Wizarding World to generate hype. Now's the perfect time for Busch to start releasing more info about the ride (more commercials, more insider stuff), especially if they want to make up for last year.
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Honestly, when it comes down to secrecy, this is their top most secret ride that I can ever think of. Since employees do sign a contract that restricts posting any back stage info of anything online, so I would say the park has good reason to fire them, and it is not over reacting. They broke a contract and they knew the risks.
On to marketing, yes they could do more marketing but still be secretive, but do you think the general public will let them? The park would probably get thousands of questions about the ride, and I am sure they don't want that. They would rather be low key on it until it is close to park opening.
Getting the General Public hyped over anything is not a hard things to do, and especially with Verbolten, it will only take a few weeks of major marketing to get the general public really hyped.
Honestly, when it comes down to secrecy, this is their top most secret ride that I can ever think of. Since employees do sign a contract that restricts posting any back stage info of anything online, so I would say the park has good reason to fire them, and it is not over reacting. They broke a contract and they knew the risks.
On to marketing, yes they could do more marketing but still be secretive, but do you think the general public will let them? The park would probably get thousands of questions about the ride, and I am sure they don't want that. They would rather be low key on it until it is close to park opening.
Getting the General Public hyped over anything is not a hard things to do, and especially with Verbolten, it will only take a few weeks of major marketing to get the general public really hyped.
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