Verbolten (Project Announcement Fall 2011 Through Opening Discussion August 2012)

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NewsPlusNotes posted a neat comparison shot (click on the picture to enlarge) showing Verbolten's drop side by side with the Wolf's drop. Before looking at that comparison, I really hadn't pictured that they were that similar. When the trees grow up around Verbolten's bridge like they did around the Wolf's drop, it's going to look superb. Also, as I was telling Shafor last night, if Verbolten's trains have headlights that actually light up like the New Texas Giant's, Verbolten will look absolutely stunning at night.
 
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Atlantis said:
Tekalion said:
I was basically trying to say the same thing Scotcher said as for the reason for the odd support. Atlantis will tell us what physics says.

So tell us, Atlantis, what's the reason for the odd support? This ought to be good...
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Plane of application as a result from differential forces. Magnitude and direction require that placement to collapse the forces adequately. It has nothing to do with BBW being suspended.

Physics > Observational guesses.
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Wow he used the big words :dodgy:

So Ill use english. All your saying is that the spot where force is going to be applied (plane of application) doesnt have a concrete footer directly under it. Instead of pouring a new footer, they've decided to build our 'odd' support which will extend out to the plane of application, therefore allowing the forces to 'collapse equally'.

So lets review. Why the odd support? BECAUSE THE BBW WAS SUSPENDED AND THEY DIDNT WANNA POUR ANOTHER FOOTER SO THEY BUILT AN 'ODD' SUPPORT. Physics class is over. Please read my signature
 
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Tekalion said:
Atlantis said:
Plane of application as a result from differential forces. Magnitude and direction require that placement to collapse the forces adequately. It has nothing to do with BBW being suspended.

Physics > Observational guesses.
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Wow he used the big words :dodgy:

So Ill use english. All your saying is that the spot where force is going to be applied (plane of application) doesnt have a concrete footer directly under it. Instead of pouring a new footer, they've decided to build our 'odd' support which will extend out to the plane of application, therefore allowing the forces to 'collapse equally'.

So lets review. Why the odd support? BECAUSE THE BBW WAS SUSPENDED AND THEY DIDNT WANNA POUR ANOTHER FOOTER SO THEY BUILT AN 'ODD' SUPPORT. Physics class is over. Please read my signature
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Nope, you missed the entire point. Not surprised, though. You're understand of vector forces clearly is very limited. Plane of Application is not the forces either.

Looks like you might want to read your own signature a bit more often.
 
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Tekalion said:
BECAUSE THE BBW WAS SUSPENDED AND THEY DIDNT WANNA POUR ANOTHER FOOTER SO THEY BUILT AN 'ODD' SUPPORT. Physics class is over.
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Quite honestly, this is probably the answer. Supports like that don't exist on other rides with almost identical banking patterns. Atlantis is talking about why the fix works and Tekalion is talking about why the fix was needed.
 
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^Cat fight.

Swiftman said:
Also, as I was telling Shafor last night, if Verbolten's trains have headlights that actually light up like the New Texas Giant's, Verbolten will look absolutely stunning at night.
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Plus, that would look GREAT in the building, using the headlights to "guide the way."
 
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Simple google search of "Plane of Application" results in several books highlighting that phrase:

Strength of Material
Quick sum for those who didn't click the links is "The plan of application of the resultant of any set of forces can be determined by dividing the sum of the moments of all the forces with respect to any axis by the magnitude of the resultant force."

Experimenta investigations of the stresses in masonry dams...(since we are talking about concrete and water)
This one takes into consideration the horizontal and vertical planes and solve for one of the two planes of applications from the use of intensities of normal stresses and the intensity of shear.


In an attempt of being a peace maker can we agree to disagree?
 
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Perhaps Swift is right, maybe we are talking about 2 different things. I hate to continue to beat a dead horse, and I promise this is the last post I mention something so trivial as an odd support (unless Atlantis gives another overly complicated rebuttal).

But its unfathomable to me how complicated people are making a simple answer to a question: Why the odd support? Because the track is going to ride over an open gap between 2 sets of footers, footers that were left from a suspended coaster. Instead of pouring a new footer, they just added a funky lookin support.

There's NO NEED for the complicated calculations and explanations of how physics work! We get it! Atlantis, your a great physics student, or Professor, or WHATEVER. But it isn't necessary. No need to describe vectors and planes of whatever. Simple answer to a simple problem.
 
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I honestly like the funny looking support. It sort of reminds me of Great Bear.

And I think that the train should have working headlights, but have two sets of them. One blacklight so that it produced the guide effect but with the stuff in the building, and one white/yellow/whatever that can be used outdoors at night to make the ride look pretty. I doubt they'll do that, but it would be cool.
 
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I was there today, Swifty. The main drop curve is done and the better part of the right hander is finished. I wish I had a camera because I noticed the access door on the wall was opened by the station. People were flocking to it.


Tekalion said:
There's NO NEED for the complicated calculations and explanations of how physics work! We get it! Atlantis, your a great physics student, or Professor, or WHATEVER. But it isn't necessary. No need to describe vectors and planes of whatever. Simple answer to a simple problem.
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Sometimes simple solutions derived from superficial observations are not accurate. The only way to understand the true reasoning is through math itself.
 
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Verbolten really doesn't take any land away from Festhaus Park. They should still be able to hold events like Ramp Jam there without a problem.
 
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