Verbolten (Project Announcement Fall 2011 Through Opening Discussion August 2012)

[Chris]

RE: Verbolten

I think behind the thrills summed this entire story up nicely.


It would seem that this whole thing was just major over reaction of some fans. While there may have been an accident, it apparently wasn’t enough damage to hinder the testing process as the coaster was seen making full circuit test runs this afternoon. While it’s not uncommon for parks to have problems with valleying or even launches not working, it’s quite something else to have a coaster hitting another vehicle, or smashing into a support. Again, we’ll call this rumor false, dead in the water and done. That’s why they’re rumors folks, and not full blown news.
Check out this video courtesy of TheMIXstation

Overreaction by fansite. Just like the 300 foot launch tower there was some truth in what was reported but details were extremely over dramatized

Well, I'd also like to point out that BTT stated they believed the story wasn't true at all and that if emergency vehicles were called out it would all be public record. Yet, unless my eyes deceive me... emergency vehicles.

It's clear the damage wasn't as bad as what we had been told, but it did happen.

 

[Adam]

RE: Verbolten

Don't get me wrong, BTT is a good site and serves a variety of parks, but this site specializes in BGW and if it wasn't for this site no one would even know that anything happened. BTT's report was only an opinion based on the info this site gave.

 

[Chris]

RE: Verbolten

Just got back from BG today and saw the posting about the accident. I was there and saw the person being loaded up into the ambulance. There were also 2 firetrucks there. This is something you never want to see on vacation at any amusement park.

Its mandatory if a train crashes, yes something happened to it. But still NO ONE is injured in it.

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I doubt a fire happened. They usually come whenever theres a accident. But if an ambulance is there, something happened.

Its mandatory for a fire truck and an ambulance to come if there was a crash. No one was injured.

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Why would it be mandatory for emergency vehicles to be called if nobody is hurt? Does the fire department get called whenever there's a maintenance issue at the park in which nobody gets hurt?

 

[newsie]

RE: Verbolten

^I believe that there's a state law that states when available, a fire truck must respond with an ambulance.

 

[Chris]

RE: Verbolten

^I believe that there's a state law that states when available, a fire truck must respond with an ambulance.

To a maintenance issue where no injury occurred?

 

[Zachary]

RE: Verbolten

Also, it was a private ambulance. Would that law still apply?

 

[Chris]

RE: Verbolten

I'd think it would

Is this in reference to the fire truck coming with the ambulance? If it is I agree, I think a fire truck responds regardless.

I still want to know if there is some state law that says a rescue squad has to show up to a maintenance issue when no injury occurred and what the parameters of the law are.

 

[metalman]

RE: Verbolten

While we are talking about corrections ...
I just wanted to mention that at couple people used the word "underestimate" a few pages back incorrectly. It should have been "overestimate". When you underestimate, you think it is less important or valued than what it is. When you overestimate, you belive it is better than acutality. That is all...

 

[Kyle]

RE: Verbolten

It feels great to be back on the site but anyway to the point. I'm extremely glad to hear that everything is okay with Verbolten's Yellow Train and Support Structure. Prayers go out to the worker and anyone who was stressed throughout the duration. Thank you everyone for getting evidence and everything needed. I was nearly petrified when I heard about this but now I'm calm knowing everything is alright. CarterGee, thanks for the Vid, I really enjoyed it!

 

[newsie]

RE: Verbolten

^I believe that there's a state law that states when available, a fire truck must respond with an ambulance.

To a maintenance issue where no injury occurred?

Well, if the 911 call reported possible injuries, then yes, an ambulance would respond meaning the fire truck would respond with it. The park's ambulances carry a gurney and a few things but that's about it. For instances like this, an BLS or ALS ambulance would be needed.

 

[Chris]

RE: Verbolten

^I believe that there's a state law that states when available, a fire truck must respond with an ambulance.

To a maintenance issue where no injury occurred?

Well, if the 911 call reported possible injuries, then yes, an ambulance would respond meaning the fire truck would respond with it. The park's ambulances carry a gurney and a few things but that's about it. For instances like this, an BLS or ALS ambulance would be needed.

Right, but iSkippy is saying there was no injury, my question is why would the park call 911 if there was no injury?

 

[Party Rocker]

RE: Verbolten

I think what BTT was trying to say was all the information received was correct, however when we started to speculate more and more about it, we all sort of blew up the situation throwing out guess saying that it could take months to fix, it was even debated the roof might have to come off. Yes, the information received was accurate, it was just the fact that we threw in so many "what probably will happen" scenarios that the story blew up more than what nit actually was.

I, personally, thought that taking off the roof, was way too much. I also felt that people were overestimating what will probably happen. As I stated in previous posts, I honestly didn't think the situation was extremely bad and that if anything it would take a week or two to repair any damage, if need be. Was I overestimating the process of fabricating and repairs to supports, track pieces, and trains? I probably was, but my point is, I didn't take it as something seriously went wrong to the extreme, where some did.

I think BTT said it was false only because of the speculation that was added to it. Yes the info came from reliable sources, but isn't it sorta of required to worry about the support if something just crashed into it? I see it like as soon as people heard about the support, people were freaking out about taking the roof off. When I heard about the support I was like, no way will it come to that extreme, but there was no need for people to freak out about it. All we could do was to either stay calm, let the info come as it was or to freak out and speculate.

On another note, I hope they will be soft opening all weekend or at least Sunday. I am trying to get a group of friends to go down Sunday so we will see what happens. I am very excited for the ride to be open and I can't wait to see friends and families videos and find out all the special surprises.

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In regards to injury, there was one injury, which is why 911 was called. There was probably no life threatening injury, but still some injury to an extent.

 

[Ghost of Pretzel Kaiser]

RE: Verbolten

I think they come not because there might be fire, but because they have a lot of specialty equipment (like the jaws of life) that would help as well.

 

[newsie]

RE: Verbolten

I think they come not because there might be fire, but because they have a lot of specialty equipment (like the jaws of life) that would help as well.

This. When responding, I would assume that all equipment is dispatched just in case. Those responding truly don't know exactly what they're dealing with until they arrive. I'd assume it's better to be over prepared than under prepared for an incident like this.

 

[rockn13]

RE: Verbolten

I think they come not because there might be fire, but because they have a lot of specialty equipment (like the jaws of life) that would help as well.

This. When responding, I would assume that all equipment is dispatched just in case. Those responding truly don't know exactly what they're dealing with until they arrive. I'd assume it's better to be over prepared than under prepared for an incident like this.

exactly. I was a fire fighter for 10 years and with any 911 call for an accident, no matter the severity, you responded with fire truck and ambulance. The person or persons calling 911 more times than not do not have the authority or even the knowledge to know if there is any injuries or any further dangers. Its better to always respond and then when you find out there is no further need then leave, rather than saying oh they said no injuries so we dont need to respond and then something very bad happens. Huge liability.

 

[Chris]

RE: Verbolten

I think they come not because there might be fire, but because they have a lot of specialty equipment (like the jaws of life) that would help as well.

This. When responding, I would assume that all equipment is dispatched just in case. Those responding truly don't know exactly what they're dealing with until they arrive. I'd assume it's better to be over prepared than under prepared for an incident like this.

But I'm asking a question in response to iSkippy's claim that they know there was no injury. Just to be clear, you're saying the park would call 911 to send emergency responders out to the park even if no injury had taken place? If the train crashed and nobody was injured, why would they call 911?

I know why the ambulance and fire truck were there, that I have no question about, it's the claim that was made stating there was no injury I'm questioning. I'd prefer if iSkippy was here to respond since they made the claim.

 

[FAL NR OX]

RE: Verbolten

Yesterday, I talked to some park ops supervisors outside of Verbolten. I told them what was said here and the said that yes, V valleyed on thurs, and yes, there was an accident on thurs, but they were not related and Verbolten is still set to open May 18. They also told me that they were going to test it yesterday too and I did see the orange train stopped on the bridge, so there must not be critical damage.

 

[newsie]

RE: Verbolten

I think they come not because there might be fire, but because they have a lot of specialty equipment (like the jaws of life) that would help as well.

This. When responding, I would assume that all equipment is dispatched just in case. Those responding truly don't know exactly what they're dealing with until they arrive. I'd assume it's better to be over prepared than under prepared for an incident like this.

But I'm asking a question in response to iSkippy's claim that they know there was no injury. Just to be clear, you're saying the park would call 911 to send emergency responders out to the park even if no injury had taken place? If the train crashed and nobody was injured, why would they call 911?

I know why the ambulance and fire truck were there, that I have no question about, it's the claim that was made stating there was no injury I'm questioning. I'd prefer if iSkippy was here to respond since they made the claim.

Well then for that, I have no idea.

 

[Party Rocker]

RE: Verbolten

Its mandatory if a train crashes, yes something happened to it. But still NO ONE is injured in it.

Its mandatory for a fire truck and an ambulance to come if there was a crash. No one was injured.

This is what Chris is asking, I think. Why is it mandatory if there is no injury?

 

[Parkgoer]

RE: Verbolten

Former firefighter here. I love to see what I posted four/five pages ago stated over and over. Park EMT transport would go first to the scene. The park does have ALS trained medics, not all are, but some. The determination is made based on the call to medical park dispatch is emergency vehicles outside of the company are needed. In the photo you can clearly see a count ambulance behind the trees in front of the park EMT transport.

On that note, there clearly was an injury that deemed county vehicles.