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My visit today pretty well sums up my feelings on the state of the park. Arrived and went through parking with my pass no issues. Parked in Ireland and walked over to the tram. Trams are actually running not oy that but one was pulling up right as I got there. Unloads and I go to board to get yelled at by a staff member that this tram isn't taking passengers. Watch empty team drive off and head back to toward the gate. Stand around waiting for 10 to 15 minutes for the now only running team to arrive ride it up to the gate to see the other tram sitting parked right across from the team stop such a shame that I couldn't ride it up since you know the extra 15 foot walk would have been unacceptable. Go over to the kiosk to redeem my pass rewards. Kiosk still can't find my valid pass and rewards even though guests services told me updating pass number would fix the problem last visit. Go down to guests services wait in a 20 minute line for one of the only TWO service employees to scan my pass. Have to then show ID to get them to print my rewards. They then print ALL the rewards on the pass including the ones that I said I didn't want to use on what was going to be a short visit. No sorry we can't add these back on and they are only valid the day print great thanks guess I am buying something today after all since I don't want to throw away that 10 reward. Enter the actual park no issues. Take the train around to see the status on project 2025. Get off the train at New France decided what the heck I use that 10 bucks reward on a dip and dot. Go order it get it go to scan my pass no issues hand the cashier the reward what's this is the response. I explain it's the 10 dollar busch bucks and get back "I don't know what that is or how to put it in." She can't get anyone who knows so now I am buying the $10.29 dip n Dots cup that I only got because I didn't want to just throw away the 10 reward that customer service printed even though I didn't want it since the self service machines want recognize my pass. I then get hit with a 5% surcharge on that $10.29 purchase. After that I walk around the park briefly and go to redeem the scrap of paper so that I can get the other scrap of paper that serves as a one time Howl-O-Scream QQ to wait in line as one employee in the emporium helps guests while 3 others including a supervisor stand on the other end of the counter talking with a line of 5 people waiting to be helped. Honestly you just can't make this shit up any more.
 
Wow. I've spent much more of this summer on the boat and much less in the parks, but playing catch-up on this thread is a wild ride. Necroing a few topics from past months just to chime in with my somewhat worthless 2c.

When I was a kid growing up visiting BGW, there used to be staff in all the areas sweeping up after people, cleaning tables, and just keeping the park clean and nice in general.
When my son was younger, this was the same experience for us.... Except he's 5. That's how quickly it's gone downhill.
I get that the park doesn't want to staff multiple shifts wherever possible, but honestly, even if the hours stay reduced, I would MUCH rather the opening time in the summer be pushed back to accommodate much later closing times.
While I 100% agree with this as my own individual human, tell me you don't regularly lug small kiddos around the park without telling me you don't regularly lug small kiddos around the park. 😁
just eat at les frites, only good option nowadays imo
The last time we were at BGW, even Les Frites was awful.


Over the past decade we're probably approaching the cost of the wife's SUV with what we've spent at/around BGW/WCUSA. We never go without the top tier of whatever QQ is available, regularly used to hit every event, went monthly during COVID, get cabanas, buy family tickets, drink (too) heavily, dine with the plans (and order more on top), shop, collect stupid pins, organize group trips, bring family from out of state, stay at nearby hotels (not directly BGW but still).

Now? We've gone to KD more times than I can count this year and last too. Hell, we've been to Cedar Point more than BGW this season and live in the heart of VA. We only keep our memberships at BGW because they're grandfathered on pricing from the first year of the switch to memberships ($15/mo for Unlimited) but we loaded our CP passes up with chain wide food, drink, and FastLane. Not only are the parks themselves better in nearly every aspect but we are saving enough money to actually offset the travel to other SixCedarFlagsFair parks. Plus our kids can actually ride something since they're too old for toddler rides in Sesame but not quite hitting that sweet, sweet 48in mark. BGW went from getting an easy pile of cash from us down to almost nothing, and they've earned that every step of the way.

Lastly.... Did you know that it's only about $100 more to go to Cedar Point and stay at Hotel Breakers this Saturday than it is to go to BGW without even a hotel? You also get two extra hours of park operation to enjoy the world's tallest multi-launch lawn ornament from the views of over twenty more rides than BGW has. (Family of 4. We all always get QQU/FLP. Food plan for everyone. Drink plan for everyone at CP. Include some leeway for extra drink purchases at BGW due to only getting one small cup every 90m vs 15m @ CP. Parking at BGW. Etc.)


TL;DR: The current state of the park is so poor that we genuinely don't even want to go.
 
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Sorry if I am repeating somebody else's post about the new kiosks but we ran into some interesting issues with them yesterday. If you haven't used them yet, it is a long tedious process and when there are a number of people standing in lines to use them, they have slowed the whole thing down to a crawl. When you select your vouchers and want to check out, they require you to type in your full name and zip code each time. If you are getting three vouchers that is three times you are typing in the information. It really slows the whole process down. There is no cut & paste and it has to be typed each time. It also prints a receipt for the vouchers you have printed. That receipt has your pass number on it if somebody wanted to type in your pass manually. Now, for what we discovered yesterday! The vouchers are apparently printed with ink jet printers. Get them wet and the ink runs, and they will not accept them if the bar code is unreadable. They refused our friends' voucher for a food sample yesterday because of this reason.
And lastly, I guess you could say it was an oversight on our part, but we got QQs for HOS last week and just stuck them in our pockets. Or, so we thought. Got two more yesterday and was reading the fine print. The voucher the kiosk prints out is NOT the QQ! You have to take that voucher to the Emporium and exchange it for the actual QQ! The ones we picked up last week are expired and are not acceptable because they expire on the day they were issued. So, if you have your voucher printed from the kiosks are the QQs, they are not.
 
The initials don’t even have to be yours. I realized I could speed up the process by just quickly tapping the keyboard and putting a random single letter for each space. They don’t show up anywhere on the voucher.

Since the system doesn’t seem to actually verify that the initials match with the pass, it seems like it’s a totally arbitrary process designed to make the process of redeeming the vouchers more arduous. As has been stated before, it seems like BGW purposely complicates the process so they can get the brownie points of offering the member perks while discouraging folks from actually redeeming them.

What’s next, a retinal scan to get your Busch Bucks? Solve a sudoku puzzle to redeem your free Quick Queue?
 
Hey at least you can print your's I still get this message every time I try to redeem mine. Spent a hour of my time waiting in line with others having the same issues to get one of the TWO guests services reps working to print them for me. I honestly feel like it's a deliberate choice not to fix these issues at this point.
 

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How is a short person or someone in a wheel chair supposed to reach the top of the screen? Maybe there is an accessibility mode that I didn't notice, but it seems to me that the old kiosks were a lot more accessible (except the barcode scanners had  issues).
 
The men's bathroom at Festhaus was filthy yesterday. It should not have been as the park was not that busy. There was literally crap on the floor with a footprint in it. I tried to find an attendant. People are disgusting.
So I work at an international airport and we have QR codes on restrooms wall you can scan to report issues, BGW could do this easily, yet I fear the monitoring and response would still lack enough to where this service may not yield good results for incident reporting.

Since when did this park make the the basics so hard to cover? Awful.
 
So I work at an international airport and we have QR codes on restrooms wall you can scan to report issues

I've been to a handful of amusement parks that use this same system. I'd much rather return to the days of a dedicated bathroom attendant who's job it is to constantly keep the facilities clean, but in lieu of that, providing ways to report issues would be hugely beneficial (as long as they aren't ignored).
 
So I work at an international airport and we have QR codes on restrooms wall you can scan to report issues, BGW could do this easily, yet I fear the monitoring and response would still lack enough to where this service may not yield good results for incident reporting.

Since when did this park make the the basics so hard to cover? Awful.
KD has those. I’ve never texted the number myself but I do know that the notification is immediately delivered to the iPads that Park Services area supervisors use to manage their areas.
 
I'd much rather return to the days of a dedicated bathroom attendant who's job it is to constantly keep the facilities clean
A little aside, but I was talking to someone who runs a high end hotel with a bathroom attendant. He said they make more in base and tip than almost anyone else in the hotel at 6 figures in base. Said it was the only way they could keep someone longer than a month or two.
 
@Zachary @Nicole feel free to put this in the right thread (or more than one thread I don't care), I am beyond reason.

So I have seen people complain about the weather closures before and largely I understand the park's situation with the weather where they are almost facing a lose-lose scenario. Tonight however, I experienced a compounding series of events that is a result of a lack of adequate procedure and is indicative of a company that has no care for anything outside of shareholder perspective.

We arrived at the park today around 4:00, fully aware of the forecast. Figured when it rains go inside, and then after the rain everything will be normal. It was raining pretty good even at 4, so we wasted some time doing wine tastings before our 6:00 reservation at Burgermeister's. I'll fast forward a bit to 5:30. At this point we were wasting time in the Rhinefeld store (the one with the wine tasting, Christmas room, etc) and the management team got a Code Black on their walkies. This was because of the tornado warning (Williamsburg is well known for the tornados of course) and began shuttering everything. We slipped out of the shop before the Code Black kicked in and set up camp outside the speakeasy doors for our 6:00 reservation, not knowing that a Code Black meant "close the doors, keep them closed". On one hand, I understand why the company angle is "stay away from the doors, keep them locked" but they also gave guests 0 warning that they needed to get indoors or they would be genuinely trapped outdoors. They had the "inclement weather, outdoor operations suspended, please seek shelter" message going, but when things went Code Black, the message abruptly shifted to "immediately seek shelter, everything is suspended, tornado warning". By the time this message was playing, everyone had locked their doors, and were straight up not allowing guests to enter. Luckily we had rain jackets and an umbrella, but we witnessed guests woefully unprepared in a standard tee shirt and shorts get locked out of shelter and left standing in the heavy rain. So, first business decision here, "lock everything down in the event of a code black". On its own, I can understand why, but I also don't see how preventing guests who missed the 0.5ms window to get indoors from obtaining shelter is a smart call.

Eventually the rains slowed, this was around 6:30. Keep in mind for an hour we had been just standing at the front door of the speakeasy, outside, while the speakers were blasting about a tornado warning (if I wasn't intelligent, I would've been immensely terrified at this point) and unable to enter any form of shelter nearby. So at 6:30 when the rain stopped, joy. We were far from the only ones standing outside the speakeasy as well, just about everyone with a reservation was standing outside at the front door during the storm. Then around 6:30 they took our reservations and assigned our names, standard procedure, thought we were over the hump. NOPE. The fire alarm in the speakeasy building went off. Which initially, I assumed, would not be a big deal considering it was a false alarm. At this point the rain had briefly resumed and everyone with a reservation gathered under the archway outside of the shop to take shelter (shop doors were still shut at this point). As BGW medics, managers, and security descended on the false fire alarm, BGW security cleared all of us out from under the archway where we were shielded from the rain to out in the courtyard where we all got rained on, in the name of "keeping the walkway clear". Again, another isolated decision that makes sense, but as someone who managed to experience both of these isolated decisions, was immensely inconvenient. Eventually the fire department showed up, and I shit you not, one fire fighter looked inside the speakeasy for half a second, and then walked away. Everyone at this point was so confident it was a false alarm, the fire department did not even perform their own investigation. Then we had to wait for all the staff to return, and we did not get actually started doing entries into the speakeasy until about 7-7:30. Now, at this point, if I was a manager, I would've ditched the façade of letting parties in one by one in the spirit of getting everyone in as fast as possible considering the events that preceded. But no, the entry process alone lasted an immensely long time.

Eventually around 7:30/8:00 we exited the speakeasy from our 6:00 reservation. No complains to the new show, they always do a great job in there. At this time there were actually scare actors out in Scary Tale Road, so we assumed it had switched to business as usual, just a slow start due to rain. Boy were we wrong. After we stopped at Festhaus for a late snack, we decided to walk over and see if we could do a run on Clown Town since when we did it on Thursday there were all of 3 actors inside. When we got there, we noticed it was closed. While unfortunate, we wrote it off as the park closing the outdoor houses due to the weather. We then began walking around to Italy, where we noticed Gorgon Gardens had no actors. At this point it was around 8:30, we had seen actors in Scary Tale Road at 7:30-8:00, so we got a bit confused. Thought maybe everyone was on break. We kept walking and this time cut through Festa just to check things out. No actors out in the Festa scarezone (which at the moment is so unmemorable I cannot even tell you the name of it) and we continued up the hill, sure enough, Death Water Bayou was closed. To us this was no surprise, just assumed it was in line with Clown Town, outdoor houses are closed. We then walked towards Pompeii because we did not take the time on Thursday to go through Lost Mines. We thought for sure this would be open due to being indoors. Boy were we wrong. As we got off the bridge and started to round the corner, we noticed scare actors were out in an area they are not supposed to be out in. Turns out Lost Mines was indeed closed, and all of the scare actors were out on the path immediately outside the house. At this point it started to sink in to me what was happening, the weather drove away most attendance tonight, and the park, after trying to resume normal operations, gave up in the middle because their monetary projections were not up to par. Just to confirm my hypothesis, we walked over to Killarney, and shocker, Killarney Diner was closed as well. I do not know of a house more indoors than Killarney Diner, if that cannot operate in the rain, I don't know what can. At this point we come to our third isolated decision, "not many guests are coming to the park tonight, lets shut down the houses and scare zones early to send a large amount of hourly employees home and offset the loss".

After we realized everything had been shuttered, we were browsing Emerald Isle and decided to give up for the night and just start back up tomorrow (I know, a Saturday, how dare we). As an out-of-towner, I always stay at Kingsmill, so we called Patriot Shuttle around 8:45 for a pickup back to Kingsmill. It was at this point that Patriot Shuttle notified me that the park was now closing at 9:00, so they were picking everyone up anyway. This stunned me. I had been checking all social media, checking the app, and listening to the announcements. At no point did I hear an announcement that the park had adjusted their closing time from 11:00 to 9:00. As I write this now, their Instagram, Twitter, and app have no mention whatsoever. The fact that I found out from a local company is shocking. We immediately proceeded to the exit and as we boarded our shuttle, at 9:00, an announcement came over the speakers saying the park is now closed. So the previous isolated decision had been elevated to "you know what, there aren't many people showing up beyond the hundreds already here, lets just close down and kick them out". Again, each one of these decisions in isolation I can see the reasoning for. The problem I have is the compounding incompetency when you step back and look at the whole picture.

In one night, we were:
  • Locked outside in the pouring rain during a tornado warning, with no clear warning that we would be prevented from entering any indoor facility
  • Delayed over an hour for our reservation to something we paid extra for due to an unnecessary process to clear a fire alarm, with no form of "sorry about this, here is a 10% off coupon" or anything like that
  • Prevented from experiencing any of the haunt attractions after the park had initially tried to start the event back up and changed their mind
  • Told to leave the park 2 hours early with no warning or way of finding out before the park was formally closed
I don't want to be a guest who complains because I was inconvenienced. I wholeheartedly understand the predicament they are in, as a business, when weather hits and are faced with extreme attendance losses and a smaller audience who still demands a good experience. My problem is they consistently made decisions that are entirely business-focused and selfish, with no effort to make a concession to improve the guest experience. A good concession would've been rolling the event back to only the indoor houses for example. Maybe announcing clearly they intended to close early now, so get in everything you can. Maybe instead of quiet closing, having every show put on a final show adjusted for the new schedule, instead of cancelling everything. Make some effort to improve the experience of the guest who, despite the weather, decided to come out and support the park. These are the exact guests they should be smiling at, because despite how shitty everything was, they were still willing to spend money at BGW.

A closer. When I was on the Patriot Shuttle we talked to a couple from NC who were only there for the night. They were hard workers who drove up through the rain today after work let out, had this trip planned for a while. They managed to get in the park around 7:30/8:00, started to find everything was closed, and then got a call at 8:30 from Patriot Shuttle that the park was now closing at 9:00 and they had to get picked up. They too only found out because a local company cares about its customers. This was their only night in town and they had to get back on the road early tomorrow morning. Oh, and they were members, so a "free ticket" or whatever BGW hands out to "compensate for the inconvenience" is meaningless to them. They travelled over 3 hours for one night of nothing. Money spent on gas, hotel, food, all useless. Despite all this they were still in good spirits, much better than I, and I am here all weekend. Everything I witnessed tonight, in isolation made sense, but you start to put it all together and it is genuinely unacceptable. It is a sign of poorly incentivized leadership and a lack of care that the big picture is not well accounted for. The isolated decisions are left up to smaller leadership teams, the big picture should always be monitored by a group of more senior leadership. And the fact that a best and worst case customer experience was obviously not monitored at the high level is extremely telling that United Parks (or SeaWorld Parks, per all the packaging and bags in the park) officially gives 0 shits about anything but their revenue and costs.
 
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Holy crap, what a genuine shitshow. I'd be demanding a refund at this point, if I were honest.

As much as I have nice things to say about last night (primarily in terms of the scareactors putting in their all), operations were still pretty awful. Tried getting food at opening at (the newly-renovated!) Squire's Grille, only for no employees nearby to know if it was even going to open, as we couldn't see anyone inside. Gave up and tried to get a ride on Nessie, only to be hit with a torrent of guests leaving the queue due to technical issues. DarKoaster seemed to have trouble staying open as well, and there seemed to be multiple instances of downtime throughout the night.

And, if I didn't mishear it and I truly was told this, the worst part of the evening was probably an actor telling me to kill myself. I was doing Clown Town while it was still light out, and during the carnival games segment, one of the clowns behind the counter grabbed my attention in what seemed to be an in-character voice, asking about a chair, I think. The music was loud and I really had no clue what she was saying, so I just go "no, sorry", she says something else that I don't remember, and then says something along the lines of "you should kill yourself" or "go kill yourself". It's entirely possible I could've misheard, but I'm really having a hard time thinking of what else it could be. I'm also a little worried it was some sort of personal attack, as I'm an open trans woman and had a trans pride flag patch on my jacket, and that this could be what spurred on her comment.

More realistically, it was probably just a comment made in poor taste, but it still stings. Absolutely unacceptable regardless, however.
 
BGW has completely and utterly fallen off. HowlOScream used to be a jewel in the Busch crown. I now deliberately avoid the park during this time. I Live 15 minutes from the park, and Busch has always been a place I love frequenting.

The decisions made over the last couple years have me planning to cancel my pass in Spring. I’m bored, no new ultra thrilling rides, Food is a disgrace from what it was, and customer service is not only missing, but the staff makes decisions that make guests feel insulted.

There is no choice anymore, we have to stop giving them money.
 
Not defending BGW here rather shining a light on unpreparedness:
At Hollywood Studios, during the hurricane, Slinky Dog kept running, Mania was running, but all pathway cast members were pulled due to lightning and I was kicked out of shelter from the storm in bathrooms, Mania queue, and Roundup Rodeo. I know I made a comedic post about hiding under a ball but that’s because I was kicked out of everywhere else.

Weather operations at parks in general seem to be getting worse and worse.
 
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