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Fuck it, use GL's plot for a new coaster and use the entire Ka plot for a Golden Kingdom expansion with another coaster and highly themed indoor boat jungle temple ride.
 
Sorta a meta conversation here, but can I just say that I'm getting really fed up with all of the sub-tweeting and the like happening around this rumor?

A few (of many) examples from people I actually generally agree with and who I believe are genuinely well-intentioned.

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My issue with these tweets is just the smugness. They give off such an aura of "I'm better than you", most specifically that first one. Just awful attitude.
 
honestly there's just no good answers imo. nothing is gonna replace losing the tallest, fastest coaster in the US and the tallest drop tower in the world. which is why this whole move is insane to me

They should just steal Falcons flight like how they stole Top thrill

Falcon Ka Coming 2030

Everyone saying it was between El Toro and this you better get your last rides in on that as well over the next few years. Because if the GP thinks El Toro is rough (and they have no problem closing Ka) I would say it wouldn’t exactly be a reach to see El toro gone in 5 years

Or maybe converted to an RMC atleast. I don’t want that for people who like Wooden coasters. But if I’m thinking with my Ceadr Fair cap on I can see them saying we need a smoother newer attraction.

I mean can’t say I’m particularly surprised, makes sense both of the problem coasters were on the chopping block, as far as the choice between the two….operating costs for Ka have to be more expensive even if you factor in Toro’s retracking. Woodies are also just inherently deferent when it comes to lifespan, if properly taken care of they have no designated lifespan, steel coasters typically can go 30 years before they need complete retracking with is costly. Let’s not act like Ka is glass smooth anymore, it would need that retracking sooner rather then later.


I definitely think this project is in overdrive but I wouldn’t expect a Ka replacement until 2027 at the earliest, that tower could likely sit sbno for a while
It would be really cool if they kept the structure and the top of the top hat as a memorial of sorts, with the drop tower staying completely intact. I understand that’s probably not going to happen because they will likely need the space but losing such a huge drop tower is adding insult to injury
 
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OK what the hell is going on with the park's guest relations and social media?

If KK ends up not opening at all next year, I could see a potential lawsuit coming up.
They aren’t in on the loop or if they are they’ve been told to act as if all is normal.

To be fair the Rumor was pretty young in August wasn’t it?
 
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So even if the rumor was still pretty young in August, the park should still make an effort to scrub stuff like this off social media.

Kennywood did that with Steel Curtain, so nobody could file a lawsuit saying the ride is advertised as open or available during the season. If a member of the public catches wind of this post and the park doesn't address it, it could have a negative effect on the park, ESPECIALLY with season passholders.

EDIT: I'll give them the benefit of the doubt right now since its still fairly early, but if the park doesn't take this post down before opening weekend in spring, I definitely could smell a false advertisement lawsuit coming.
 
So even if the rumor was still pretty young in August, the park should still make an effort to scrub stuff like this off social media.

Kennywood did that with Steel Curtain, so nobody could file a lawsuit saying the ride is advertised as open or available during the season. If a member of the public catches wind of this post and the park doesn't address it, it could have a negative effect on the park, ESPECIALLY with season passholders.

EDIT: I'll give them the benefit of the doubt right now since its still fairly early, but if the park doesn't take this post down before opening weekend in spring, I definitely could smell a false advertisement lawsuit coming.
I’m pretty sure the reaction is not going to be good no matter what unless it’s announced that it was fake information. lol.
 
Sorta a meta conversation here, but can I just say that I'm getting really fed up with all of the sub-tweeting and the like happening around this rumor?

A few (of many) examples from people I actually generally agree with and who I believe are genuinely well-intentioned.

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First off, I don't have a horse in this race. A few friends have told me it's coming down, but I haven't made any public claims. I have seen no evidence and I can't vouch for the sourcing of what these friends have heard. Hence, I haven't staked any claims via ParkFans.

That said, to the influencers like ElToroRyan and CoasterStudios who very much have made bold, firm claims, I feel like there's a really unjust amount of ire being directed their way (often in shitty, indirect ways too). I honestly don't understand what the community wants from people with access to insider information like this.

Obviously no one involved can reveal their actual sourcing because the sourcing is happening via illicit means. Maybe, depending on what these influencers' sources have shared with them, influencers could cite having seen internal documentation or the like. Frankly though, the vast majority of thoosie influencers aren't getting hard documentation from their sources. More likely than not, these people just have a handful of friends in high places who they sincerely trust and those friends, directly, have access to the information and have opted to share it with these influencers.

Ideally these influencers would, of course, cite their sources. That said, assuming they can't (something I have seen them say over and over again publicly), what's the alternative? They almost certainly honestly, sincerely, strongly believe that Ka is closing. They can either keep silent and not tell anyone the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster is closing forever or they can bet their public reputations on it and make the claim.

Why are so many people opposed to the latter and why would anyone want the former?

Whether sourcing is impossible to share or even if they just don't want to share said sourcing, let these people bet their reputations on the story. It's their prerogative. If they get it wrong, roast them, don't believe them in the future—they'll deserve it. That said, if they're right, people better remember that too.

Having been on the other side of this table in the past, putting your reputation on the line like this isn't fun. People will demand to see the evidence you can't share ad nauseum—they'll call you fake news—they'll call you a liar—they'll say you're just an all-around bad person. Meanwhile, no one EVER comes back and says "good job" or "thank you" if/when you're proven right. All the people who threw tomatoes back when the original claim was made keep quiet—just to repeat the cycle the next time something similar comes around.

So yeah, if ElToroRyan, CoasterStudios, etc are proven right, I hope to see some real kudos come their way. This is a big swing. They will have earned the praise if they hit a home run.


Yeah I honestly am shocked about some of the hatred flying toward people who believe that it's closing. Posted my last ride visits in a FB group and 50% of the responses have been attacking my for believing it and going. For the record even if it opens next year I had a great visit and won't regret going this weekend and will feel nothing but joy that I can do it again in the future. That said I am about 90% sure that the King has given it's last rides.

OK what the hell is going on with the park's guest relations and social media?

If KK ends up not opening at all next year, I could see a potential lawsuit coming up.

KD was actively using Volcano in adds the year leading up to it's demo despite being SBNO hell passes that were being given out still pictured it as it was being shredded to pieces inside the park.
 
Sorta a meta conversation here, but can I just say that I'm getting really fed up with all of the sub-tweeting and the like happening around this rumor?

A few (of many) examples from people I actually generally agree with and who I believe are genuinely well-intentioned.

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First off, I don't have a horse in this race. A few friends have told me it's coming down, but I haven't made any public claims. I have seen no evidence and I can't vouch for the sourcing of what these friends have heard. Hence, I haven't staked any claims via ParkFans.

That said, to the influencers like ElToroRyan and CoasterStudios who very much have made bold, firm claims, I feel like there's a really unjust amount of ire being directed their way (often in shitty, indirect ways too). I honestly don't understand what the community wants from people with access to insider information like this.

Obviously no one involved can reveal their actual sourcing because the sourcing is happening via illicit means. Maybe, depending on what these influencers' sources have shared with them, influencers could cite having seen internal documentation or the like. Frankly though, the vast majority of thoosie influencers aren't getting hard documentation from their sources. More likely than not, these people just have a handful of friends in high places who they sincerely trust and those friends, directly, have access to the information and have opted to share it with these influencers.

Ideally these influencers would, of course, cite their sources. That said, assuming they can't (something I have seen them say over and over again publicly), what's the alternative? They almost certainly honestly, sincerely, strongly believe that Ka is closing. They can either keep silent and not tell anyone the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster is closing forever or they can bet their public reputations on it and make the claim.

Why are so many people opposed to the latter and why would anyone want the former?

Whether sourcing is impossible to share or even if they just don't want to share said sourcing, let these people bet their reputations on the story. It's their prerogative. If they get it wrong, roast them, don't believe them in the future—they'll deserve it. That said, if they're right, people better remember that too.

Having been on the other side of this table in the past, putting your reputation on the line like this isn't fun. People will demand to see the evidence you can't share ad nauseum—they'll call you fake news—they'll call you a liar—they'll say you're just an all-around bad person. Meanwhile, no one EVER comes back and says "good job" or "thank you" if/when you're proven right. All the people who threw tomatoes back when the original claim was made keep quiet—just to repeat the cycle the next time something similar comes around.

So yeah, if ElToroRyan, CoasterStudios, etc are proven right, I hope to see some real kudos come their way. This is a big swing. They will have earned the praise if they hit a home run.

I absolutely agree. Assuming the ride does close, they have done us a massive favor here.
 
Sorta a meta conversation here, but can I just say that I'm getting really fed up with all of the sub-tweeting and the like happening around this rumor?

A few (of many) examples from people I actually generally agree with and who I believe are genuinely well-intentioned.

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First off, I don't have a horse in this race. A few friends have told me it's coming down, but I haven't made any public claims. I have seen no evidence and I can't vouch for the sourcing of what these friends have heard. Hence, I haven't staked any claims via ParkFans.

That said, to the influencers like ElToroRyan and CoasterStudios who very much have made bold, firm claims, I feel like there's a really unjust amount of ire being directed their way (often in shitty, indirect ways too). I honestly don't understand what the community wants from people with access to insider information like this.

Obviously no one involved can reveal their actual sourcing because the sourcing is happening via illicit means. Maybe, depending on what these influencers' sources have shared with them, influencers could cite having seen internal documentation or the like. Frankly though, the vast majority of thoosie influencers aren't getting hard documentation from their sources. More likely than not, these people just have a handful of friends in high places who they sincerely trust and those friends, directly, have access to the information and have opted to share it with these influencers.

I apologize in advance for the long windedness of my post here but I got lots of thoughts.

On 'X' I've been blocked by Park Journey because if an in person disagreement. Having friends that run All-American Thrills, they tend to get some good info about Hershey (their home park), and at one opening event they got in a disagreement where the people that run PJ got mad that my ALT friends wouldn't point out who told them the information that was coming.

I defended ALT on two basis of (1) freedom of the press to be able to report things without having to divulge sources. It's what keeps information coming. The PJ people hit me with "we aren't press therefore that doesn't apply" and were trying to argue that sharing sources means more people can report the rumor. I called it out as BS since first off then it becomes about being able to claim first, but second good reporting gets 2-3 sources to tell you the same thing. And then (2) [I know you touched on this] but when I reminded them that peoples jobs are on the line when you share who told you information. These aren't always department heads sharing the information or even someone in the department it comes from; sometimes it's someone lower in a department who has a job that isn't secure. Of course their counter was that person shouldn't be talking if their job isn't that secure, to which I told them that anyone can be fired.

When I got home, I found they had blocked me from their twitter, to which I had a friend reach out on their own to find out why. The response they got was because I was "what's wrong with the community" in "gatekeeping information" and that I earned my block due to what they claimed became an "altercation unbecoming of the community".

Anyways.

Ideally these influencers would, of course, cite their sources. That said, assuming they can't (something I have seen them say over and over again publicly), what's the alternative? They almost certainly honestly, sincerely, strongly believe that Ka is closing. They can either keep silent and not tell anyone the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster is closing forever or they can bet their public reputations on it and make the claim.

Why are so many people opposed to the latter and why would anyone want the former?

The way it sounded in talking with someone at the park on Saturday, any hint of who the leak originally would end up in someone getting fired. And from what I took away there was a hope just to close it like normal for the season then just say 'something was broken that's irreplicable' and close it like that. Apparently word getting out really frustrated some people because it's harder to justify it.

Personally I think that people want the former because, as far as reporting on parks, it's still very 'disjointed' IMO. Like if you report on something with BGW, the only way someone with a 'more national reach' can report on it is sharing what you have. It's unlikely that they have a source within BGW/United to be able to go to and verify. Just an outsider of the 'blogger/reporter' circles, I frankly feel it comes down to jealousy of that fact that you have the source and they don't.

Like, as a massive sports fan I can tell you we don't really have this in sports because you often have the more local reporters who cover the team and have sources. But then you also have national reporters who you know have difference sources. So when both the local and national reporters are reporting the same thing but aren't basing the report on each other, it's very hard to refute the reporting.

I just see it incredibly difficult to have any one blogger get sourcing in United, Six Flags, Hershend, Hershey, Disney, and Universal for the major players of parks, so that way when ETR says something like this you have enough other people able to say the same thing from different sourcing to make it hard to refute.

What really bothers me about the former of your two sided argument there is that the former costs people their jobs. And the amount of people being callused to the face that someone being outed as a source would get them fired, and saying it doesn't matter that they would deserve to be fired then is heartbreaking. Like, to be that okay with someone getting fired because you just want news confirmed - which in this case should be getting done by the park itself - is just....ugh.

Whether sourcing is impossible to share or even if they just don't want to share said sourcing, let these people bet their reputations on the story. It's their prerogative. If they get it wrong, roast them, don't believe them in the future—they'll deserve it. That said, if they're right, people better remember that too.

Having been on the other side of this table in the past, putting your reputation on the line like this isn't fun. People will demand to see the evidence you can't share ad nauseum—they'll call you fake news—they'll call you a liar—they'll say you're just an all-around bad person. Meanwhile, no one EVER comes back and says "good job" or "thank you" if/when you're proven right. All the people who threw tomatoes back when the original claim was made keep quiet—just to repeat the cycle the next time something similar comes around.
I'm with you there. And it's funny, no matter how much you put your reputation on the line and no matter how many times you are right, you will always get remembered for that one time you are wrong.

Of course how could parks aid in this (and frankly they should) by addressing rumors. Even if it's a last minute thing of at the start of the last weekend state that it's time for your final rides and not do a month long final goodbye thing. So my issue in all of this comes from the way the uppers at legacy Cedar Fair and now new Six Flags like handling these types of closures. They just don't say anything.

It's almost to me like they are more fearful of the backlash that would come with saying it's closing over looking at the money they could make from a goodbye 'tour' so to speak. Having some limited run merch to celebrate the last weekend. Sell raffle tickets for "final ride" with a portion going to charity. Like, it's such a missed opportunity for an icon like Ka.

But yea, it's so funny to me that the 'public' has no problem bashing people because of not naming sources, sharing information without the ability to say every detail...its become quite abusive. And I think it's a symptom of the internet. I could interact with anyone on here as much as I want and say as horrible things as possible, but as long as I don't show you my face and act nice seeing you in person I can say whatever I want.

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Anyways in the end I hate the way people like you, @Nicole and other blogging reporters get treated because there's a lack of a reliable national 'organization' that handles news like this. We don't have a "Theme Park ESPN" or whatever you would want to call it. So having good sourcing at one park will always be seen as "not good enough".

It made being at the park Saturday very interesting. Like I said you had a group of people not understanding some of the buzz, you had some people tell them that Ka closing was a lie, and you had a lot of people talking about it's closure. I talked to someone in marketing, talked about other things before getting to Ka closing. The response I got was "Ka's closing for the season", and I tried to push for "what's next" and the only answer I got was about Flash opening next year. Even on the reported last weekend there were uppers in the park structure acting like nothing was happening.

My $0.02 of what I experience with talking to some people - without any actual sourcing - is that whatever may come in 2026 is going to be the top of an iceberg, in the way Tumbili was for Jungle-X. The sense I got was Green Lantern was the expected part of making a change and starting things, but KK going away was the unexpected part that makes people fearful in the way VBC was for KD.
 
Got to also a MASSIVE thank you needs to go to the maintenance people and ops that understood what this memt to many people and what the reaction to it closing would be and made sure word spread despite the wishes of higher ups. These people literally risked their jobs and livelihoods by leaking this info and as far as I can tell no one did it for anything other then live for the ride and the understanding of what it ment to others.
 
Honestly? At this point I'll believe it when I see it. If it's SBNO next season that's likely a bad sign.
 
They’re sending it to Mexico to make up for taking siren’s curse

Is a theory that I just came up with

I’m a genius
 
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Ka permits could be coming later because they are probably still figuring out how they want to dismantle the ride (piece by piece or using explosives)

Or…. They are reimagining it.

Dont get ya hopes up but its still a possibility until we see those permits!
 
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