You mean like retheming and revitalizing attractions instead of sticking with some shitty half-assed theme and presentation by the past neglectful management?
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But you are now explictly stating that doing things to improve the customer experience are a waste of time/money and should not be done? Which one is it? You can't have it both ways.
Frontier Adventures is in desperate need of some love as well. Half of the fort is now empty and the Great Arena continues to be, in my opinion, the most visible eyesore in the park.
He just wants to be right about his dooming so literally anything the park could realistically choose to do OR to not do is a bad decision
Renaming Nitro is not an improvement on the customer experience, it is a self-sabotaging tactic that further obfuscates what is and is not extant on the property. If they want to put some car objects in the queue I could not care any less. I can have it anyway I want and you'll willfully misinterpret it.
No I mean like building good experiences from the ground up that aren't value-engineered to death or cheap attempts at offering something "new"
No I just wanna go to Lake Compounce personally
Haven’t we established that a refurbishment and retheme isn’t inherently a “cheap attempt at offering something ‘new’”? It’s pretty clear that you’re being deliberately closed minded if you can’t acknowledge that a retheme can be value additive for the long term experience of the park.
For example, I think KD is absolutely better off because they invested the time and resources into theming their scrambler to the Jungle X lore. I never once saw any indication that they did this to pass it off as something “new.”
You may have established that for yourself, I don't recall agreeing, and I just expressed that I'd prefer to have seen Anaconda live another decade rather than see the area around Rapterra made narratively consistent. Me and my tiny narrow little brain like Roler Coaster
Well, I certainly agree with a few words in this post.
I’m confused, is there literally any source that says anaconda closed so they could retheme the other rides. They rethemed a bobsled that is older than anaconda. The ride was rough and unpopular . And anaconda fits the theme they were going for from the start. Plus how does that apply to great adventure’s situation. They’ve already removed all these rides without doing a retheme lol
Theming costs money. Maintenance costs money. Money is finite. Nobody said Anaconda closed so they could retheme other rides, but with the opening of Jungle X roughly coincident, it's relevant to mention as another expense.
The maintenance and capital expenditure budgets at these parks are typically separate as far as I’m aware. Plus if you are so worried about Great adventure becoming non-core, think on the king’s dominion side. Do you think jungle X, or no cohesive theme but anaconda still existing would be more likely to satisfy the average park goer. If im a KD exec right now im feeling really good about the direction of the park now that it has one of the best areas in the entire chain. Also when you said “nobody said anaconda closed for jungle x” it’s what you have been heavily implying / pointing to as a reason you are against these rethemes
Can you provide literally any evidence-backed example where a retheme project has been detrimental to a park? We have seen enormously successful retheme and rebrand projects from Carowinds, Kings Dominion, Knott's, Busch Gardens Williamsburg, Six Flags Fiesta Texas, and others lately. Can you provide any countervailing examples at all?
All signs currently point to the market being very amenable to increased theming and aesthetic cohesion lately as far as I can tell. I have absolutely no idea why you would not want Six Flags Great Adventure to both follow the dollars AND improve existing park assets where possible. Opportunities to do both aren't often apparent, but this seems to be an area where the stars are currently aligned. Why not capitalize?
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I have no real basis for thinking this, but it wouldn't surprise me if a prominent reason for Nitro being on the back burner is the park not knowing exactly what they want to do with it yet (theming wise). I love Nitro as it is because it's a fantastic ride experience and I have great memories of it, and I hope they keep the name. But either way, if they do decide to theme it in some fashion, the track painting aspect of that is a Herculean task, so it's something that should be done right the first time.
Look at Superman - they gave it a fresh coating pretty recently and refurbed a lot of the fading character signage in the queue, but that decent glow-up looks more like a sunk cost now given the ride's prime candidacy for a retheme.
Look at Superman - they gave it a fresh coating pretty recently and refurbed a lot of the fading character signage in the queue, but that decent glow-up looks more like a sunk cost now given the ride's prime candidacy for a retheme.
No.
I hope they make Nitro look nice. That can be done however is necessary.
I hope they do not rename Nitro. Between Kingda Ka's very public demolition and all the Six Flags America obituaries, I've been asked more than once if Great Adventure is still open. I do not think it would serve Nitro better, at this time, to be renamed, because it would create even a sliver of ambiguity about whether the ride is still there.
A rename alone, I'd agree with you. But a comprehensive re-theme, as we have been discussing all this time, to tie it into the Pine Barons area (or even Movie Town) would absolutely be an improvement on the customer experience. Maybe not your experience, since you apparently only care about roller coasters (today, at least....there have been other times where you appear to care more about theming than strict coaster count), but for the average customer, yes, it would improve the experience. It wouldn't be a "new customer draw," nor should it be, nor would it be marketed as one, but rather something for existing customers to say "hey, we care about your experience." You are clearly an outlier here.
Seriously, just admit your being contrarian for the sake of argument and that you don't really have any cohesive thoughts about this park other than "Kingda Ka go away = me mad," or if you are serious, consult a professional therapist to work through what appears to be some severe bipolar and attachment issues.
PS - Anaconda was a flaming bag of shit that should have been demolished a decade ago.
girl you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more invested in this argument than me if you feel the need to diagnose me from afar. I don't nose my way into your life based on your theme park opinions, even though you baited me and then had me sanctioned or whatever on here for responding lol. there's already an eye roll from you left on this message:
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If we can keep the interpersonal drama out of this thread, that'd be great.
Oh god what did I start….
NorthDetective, this next part is directed at you. Through reading your many, many, MANY, messages it feels very clear your opinion is almost all budget should be put to new coasters and nothing else. All I have to say to that is….it won’t work. In fact that motto is exactly what has gotten us into this mess in the first place. Trying to do that is a huge reason why Six Flags didn’t survive the 2008 recession, and why these parks have fallen into complete disrepair. Not every park can be Cedar Point, really only Cedar Point can be Cedar Point.
A big piece if the puzzle which hasn’t been talked about much is that the number of people who can’t afford an Orlando trip is rising rapidly. So now a lot of those customers are looking at slightly cheaper regional destination parks. Parks like Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, Knott’s Berry Farm, Kings Island. In the northeast that park has been Hersheypark. The family market is trickling down to the lower budget parks and those families care way more about cohesively themed parks than coaster go brrrrrr.
NorthDetective, this next part is directed at you. Through reading your many, many, MANY, messages it feels very clear your opinion is almost all budget should be put to new coasters and nothing else. All I have to say to that is….it won’t work. In fact that motto is exactly what has gotten us into this mess in the first place. Trying to do that is a huge reason why Six Flags didn’t survive the 2008 recession, and why these parks have fallen into complete disrepair. Not every park can be Cedar Point, really only Cedar Point can be Cedar Point.
But I'm not talking about every park. I'm talking about Six Flags Great Adventure, which historically has had a thrill focus.
Can you not see how Kingda Ka existing clearly represented an aspiration to one-up Cedar Point in particular? It's not some absurd concept I pulled out of my ass to have more and better roller coasters, whether that makes the park rival Cedar Point in anyone's eyes or not (not even close in its current state). It's what I want, yes, but it's also what Six Flags did for Great America and Magic Mountain over the years. Great Adventure had to play catch-up in the first place and then removed 2 coasters from their lineup.
It doesn't need to be Cedar Point, and it won't be anytime soon (or ever under this ownership), but it should at the very least be one of the flagship Six Flags parks, and flagship Six Flags parks have many big roller coasters. Forgive me for such an craaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyy take
(also I really like transit rides you will never catch me complaining about a skyride or train expenditure)
Can you not see how Kingda Ka existing clearly represented an aspiration to one-up Cedar Point in particular? It's not some absurd concept I pulled out of my ass to have more and better roller coasters, whether that makes the park rival Cedar Point in anyone's eyes or not (not even close in its current state). It's what I want, yes, but it's also what Six Flags did for Great America and Magic Mountain over the years. Great Adventure had to play catch-up in the first place and then removed 2 coasters from their lineup.
It doesn't need to be Cedar Point, and it won't be anytime soon (or ever under this ownership), but it should at the very least be one of the flagship Six Flags parks, and flagship Six Flags parks have many big roller coasters. Forgive me for such an craaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyy take
(also I really like transit rides you will never catch me complaining about a skyride or train expenditure)
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Yeah, and SFGAdv already has an incredibly strong collection and they're set to get a second flagship coaster next season. SFGAdv doesn't have a coaster quality problem, it has a park quality problem.