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Didn't see a topic on this and wanted to talk about this. At some point, this management is going to have to address the abundance of show buildings and venues that are taking up valuable real estate throughout the park. Going back even a decade, there were still regular performances, concerts, etc using these areas but post-COVID, its just massive amounts of dead space. I would love to see shows return in a meaningful way, and I think its part of what the park is missing to not make it feel so cheap. However, I feel like this is incredibly unlikely.
 
I do think it’s highly likely that the Great Arena will eventually be demolished as part of a revamp of Frontier Adventures, especially considering the horse stables were finally demolished in 2022 after not being used for over 40 years outside of a 2005 Fright Fest Trail, and if I’m not mistaken, they did gut some of the arena itself. That said, I’m sure whatever was planned there is on hold until the front of the park is taken care of.

With the demo of Temple of the Tiger, that leaves Great Arena, Wilderness Theater, Batman Stunt Arena, Showcase Theater, and the small stage outside of RMT, plus the 4D sim building if you want to count that. Showcase is the only one that still even occasionally sees shows, and I don’t know the last time 4D was even used for a terror trail. Wilderness Theater could easily be replaced with a kiddie flat, Great Arena is in limbo, and the RMT stage doesn’t really matter, but unfortunately I don’t see Batman Stunt or 4D going anywhere.
 
4D was used for the Army of the Dead trail this past Fright Fest. It was honestly a pretty big change from the dual terror trails that were hosted previously (The Manor and Fears). Tons of open space! The building may be rather valuable to the park for providing storage, though they have a decent amount of alternative options by Superman as well.

The Stunt Arena has been used for Dead Man's Party for quite some time now (and The Awakening, when Fright Fest wasn't yet in its Extreme era). Showcase has seen a decent amount of action with Unleashed (FF), Frost (HITP), and various unaffiliated events (cheerleading competitions, etc.) taking place over the past few years. The Wilderness Theater had its fair share of use too - in 2024 there were kid-friendly story readings, magic shows, and dance-alongs encouraging audience participation.

That would make a good case for the Great Arena being the next to go. It's gone unused for ages. Judging by the surrounding grass/foliage, it doesn't seem like a lot of effort has gone into the venue's upkeep either.

Interestingly, the park did have a summer show last year near RMT, but it didn't utilize that stage across from the Safari station. They added a small setup for it across from the Log Flume's lift hill instead.
 
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Really think that part of the reason the park feels so cheap and boardwalk pier-esque over the past 8 years is the lack of shows and entertainment. I know they're very expensive to pay for staff and logistics, but a couple of good themed shows/performances using these spaces (especially the potential with an outdoor venue like the stunt stage) would go a long way for the atmosphere inside the parks.
 
Many parks seem to have unused or underused buildings sitting around, even Disney and Universal. GAdv already has removed two show venure buildings.
 
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Hersheypark's in the same place - I think you have a problem where the park is just not "known" for shows anymore like [Dollywood, SDC, Fiesta Texas, Busch Gardens, etc]. And there's no real push to keep that going, even to try to win industry awards. I'm not sure it would find an audience in these parks who wants to watch shows over riding rides, without spending a lot to develop and promote a whole new roster of shows (it likely would not happen all at once but over several seasons - something I think parks are not looking to do without a faster return).

Probably better to invest in some open-air stages near restaurants or paved pathways where you can bring in live musicians. I could picture a piano player in the Western area, and maybe some kind of live-singing street show around the entrance. It really would not take much to bring a little bit back, over time.
 
Probably better to invest in some open-air stages near restaurants or paved pathways where you can bring in live musicians. I could picture a piano player in the Western area, and maybe some kind of live-singing street show around the entrance. It really would not take much to bring a little bit back, over time.

They did have a few "Pop-up" style shows like this for the 50th last year. Despite their relative simplicity, they were really enjoyable and brought more life to the midways. There were some really clever nods to the park's history in there too. A little effort can go a long way.

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The industry has tended away from live entertainment for a long time. Indoor shows are nice for prolong rests, especially when the weather is rainy or cold, hot too if the A/C is working. While open air shows are lower cost, they are also less attractive with standing out in the weather.
 
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I do think there is DEFINITELY something to what @paintervision is saying though. So many parks have eroded away any expectation of quality entertainment from the park experience over the course of decades now. I do think that has been to their detriment (narrowing of the parks' target audiences, reduction in repeat visitation to see short-run entertainment products, reduction in activities on non-weather-optimal days, loss of an entire type of less-costly-to-debut attraction, etc), but I don't know if we'll ever see the glory days of park entertainment return again now. For it to happen, it would take a park with a very long-term vision who is willing to endure many, many years of suboptimal investment into entertainment products on the hope that they could reignite the regional demand for those products. The likelihood that anyone will tackle that seems slim, sadly.
 
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If they reverse their decision on metal shows, South Jersey has an INCREDIBLY strong local metal scene and many bands would likely do pseudo-residencies just for the exposure.

Always been absurd to ban ALL metal shows just because they opted to book one of the most problematic people they could’ve at the time. Thanks, Ronnie Radke.
 
If they reverse their decision on metal shows, South Jersey has an INCREDIBLY strong local metal scene and many bands would likely do pseudo-residencies just for the exposure.

Always been absurd to ban ALL metal shows just because they opted to book one of the most problematic people they could’ve at the time. Thanks, Ronnie Radke.
Don’t even get me started on Ronald McRadke. The only words I have for that guy would get me banned from this forum.
 
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Maybe they shouldn’t have booked a guy who had domestic abuse charges like two months prior. Feel like that might have slightly more to do with the shit he pulled than FiR being an alt/rap metal band.

Been to countless metal shows, and I’ve never encountered that kind of behavior from either a band or audience.
 
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They did have a few "Pop-up" style shows like this for the 50th last year. Despite their relative simplicity, they were really enjoyable and brought more life to the midways. There were some really clever nods to the park's history in there too. A little effort can go a long way.

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this is a good touch. however it also speaks to something that i've had an issue with in the post-COVID era of the parks, which is with everything they've tried to bring back or improve, it just feels so very cheap. everything here from the sings to the costumes just looks like a low-budget imitation of a highly themed park. its a park wide issue, but all the signage and logos just looks very cheap, very Canva-esque. long term its why the park feels more like a slightly nicer boardwalk pier than it does a slightly worse Disney World.

obviously the park is never gonna be on the Disney/Universal tier of things, but its these little investments in quality that are gonna make or break the long-term image of the park during this rebuild. if it wants to restore some semblance of prestige or quality its gotta start on that level.
 
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Hersheypark's in the same place - I think you have a problem where the park is just not "known" for shows anymore like [Dollywood, SDC, Fiesta Texas, Busch Gardens, etc]. And there's no real push to keep that going, even to try to win industry awards. I'm not sure it would find an audience in these parks who wants to watch shows over riding rides, without spending a lot to develop and promote a whole new roster of shows (it likely would not happen all at once but over several seasons - something I think parks are not looking to do without a faster return).

Probably better to invest in some open-air stages near restaurants or paved pathways where you can bring in live musicians. I could picture a piano player in the Western area, and maybe some kind of live-singing street show around the entrance. It really would not take much to bring a little bit back, over time.
My home park, Six Flags Over Texas also suffers from a recent lack of live entertainment (outside of the holiday seasonals). The Music Mill Amphitheatre in the back sits as a reminder of a pre-Internet, pre-Ticketmaster, pre-pandemic era when the idea of visiting a theme/amusement park for concerts still made sense. Now the venue exists either for (a) the occasional school band competition or (b) storage and preventing further damage to the adjacent creek's flood reinforcements. The other theaters have fared a bit better, but locations like Crazy Horse Saloon and the Majestic Theater basically only got significant use during Fright Fest.

I also think park management's figured it's a better bet to do pop-ups and to center entertainers at the park gate and a bit beyond. Viva la Fiesta actually did a decent job having persistent showtimes for mariachi dancers by the gondola in the Mexico area this year. They should consider doing more IP-based small shows at existing open spots in Gotham and the corner by the kids area and the USA midway (or in front of Justice League BfM). Worst case, further rework Star Mall's front garden into an open theater space, add some foldable bleachers, and put more of the medium-sized events in there. (You can always relocate foliage!) At least the park's kept its props and costuming departments after all this time, so it's easier to supply temporary/permanent entertainers and staff than elsewhere.
I do think there is DEFINITELY something to what @paintervision is saying though. So many parks have eroded away any expectation of quality entertainment from the park experience over the course of decades now. I do think that has been to their detriment (narrowing of the parks' target audiences, reduction in repeat visitation to see short-run entertainment products, reduction in activities on non-weather-optimal days, loss of an entire type of less-costly-to-debut attraction, etc), but I don't know if we'll ever see the glory days of park entertainment return again now. For it to happen, it would take a park with a very long-term vision who is willing to endure many, many years of suboptimal investment into entertainment products on the hope that they could reignite the regional demand for those products. The likelihood that anyone will tackle that seems slim, sadly.
Yeah, even considering labor costs, bringing guests in via consistently fun, humorous, and/or exciting shows is still less risky than burning millions on a potential misfire of a ride. I wouldn't count on being able to sway many renaissance fair fans in a year or two, yet there's a lot to learn from those and similar events who can build communities around local crafts, better food, and a variety of performers who aren't just targeting the LCD. Selling this angle to investors and corporate would probably be a nightmare now, with or without anything as disruptive as COVID. But all these things would go a long way to eat some guests' attention, justify more indoor space use, and add generational variety back into the parks without as big a capex splurge.

If you can't enjoy sitting down to eat near a musician by full(er) service dining, or organically stumble into an inviting show space (via loud signage of course), then the "park" part of the value proposition can fade too much. Social media clips and Bandcamp don't have to usurp the real thing if done right. I think non-ride, non-game entertainment should remain relevant to overall labor, dining, and infrastructure upgrades at regional parks in chains like SF. The main problem is how to start and sustain from first principles, avoiding the "didn't work in one year, off with its head" problem that Cedar Point faced with Forbidden Frontier (vs. the decent amount of midway stunt and dance events they're good about). Hell, I'd take a kid-friendly improv comedy show if that's the level of spendthrift some parks would need to set some momentum
 
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They took the posters advertising this show on the theater down pretty quickly, but I didn't think much of it at the time. Now, is been announced that Brad's Great Adventure residency has moved to Knott's. I'm disappointed beyond words with the treatment this park has received since the merger.
 
It's late in the game, but I feel compelled to post that DC Heroes and Villains Fest is the real deal. 4 hours of nonstop action with rotation between professional performances and crowd engagement. An exceptionally high octane event and I have no idea how some of the performers were able to maintain their energy levels for as long as they did.

The photo op setups throughout the evening were numerous and extremely well done. Everyone involved was super accommodating and fans of all ages were visibly thrilled.

The sheer numbers and excitement levels of people who showed for this was telling: Great Adventure's guests have been pining for entertainment, and this thankfully delivers in a big way. I daresay the song and dance performances (which constitute only part of the show) rivaled those of Dead Man's Party with how enjoyable they were.

I would encourage anyone who can spare the time and effort over Labor Day Weekend to experience this. The work they put into this show is palpable and very much appreciated.
 

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