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Can already sense people complaining about this

It’ll never not be funny to me seeing people act like workers on strike over what is essentially a 25ft height decrease from a strata

It's me—I'm complaining about this.

This IS a prestige coaster—just like Ka—I don't think anyone debates that. SFGAdv was one of only two parks in the country that could claim a coaster of 400+ feet. Though us thoosies can reasonably understand that height ≠ quality, no one can pretend that the prestige provided by the existence of a strata at SFGAdv—placing the park's skyline firmly in league with Cedar Point's—didn't matter. Six Flags demoed SFGAdv's status coaster and is not replacing it with a status symbol of its same caliber. SFGAdv now gets to be in league with Kings Dominion and Carowinds—not Cedar Point.

If they couldn't get this thing to 400ft, there are almost certainly better gigas they could have built—certainly better gigas for the park long-term, in my opinion. If they couldn't get a not-even-full-circuit replacement for Ka to 400ft, it's yet another crystal clear reason why Ka should have never been demolished—that doing so was, in fact, almost unconscionable because, evidently, its structure WAS irreplaceable. Post-merger Six Flags management unquestionably fucked Great Adventure over here in my opinion and I think people are right to be really pissed about it.

I have and still believe that this coaster will be amazing, but I can simultaneously believe that and believe that the Six Flags management team who made this call (thankfully many of whom are now gone) made an enormous mistake—that this is not a worthy successor to Ka—that Great Adventure had their crown jewel unjustly stolen and, despite that grave wrong, they have not been provided a coaster of equal or greater prestige value as compensation.

Lastly, you cannot convince me for one single second that 25 feet of additional height was unachievable—whether it be another 25 feet on the tower or an added 25 feet for the drop into a trench/tunnel. Six Flags and Mack could have delivered the shuttle strata spinner that was surveyed—and they certainly should have in my opinion. Yes, it would have been a more expensive, yes it would have been harder—but it was almost certainly worth that investment and effort in my assessment. Unfortunately, I suspect that it's no mistake that there is now only a single strata left in the US though...
 
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I think the disappointment is justified, at least to some extent. Great Adventure had one of only two strata coasters ever built, and they lost it to replace it with a coaster 81 feet shorter, and that difference isn't even accounting for the fact that riders won't make it all the way up. I don't think anyone realistically expected this to reach Ka's height, but the fact that Great Adventure can't even claim to have a strata anymore is a bit unfortunate. I still think this ride experience will be incredible, and I think Great Adventure is better off in the long-run for replacing Ka with this, but I can't act like this reaction is unjustified either.
 
BE HAPPY BRO UR GETTING A GIGA WHY ARE U ALL BITCHING???????? 375 FEET NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ANY OF YOU?????? YOU THINK YOU DESERVE MORE THAN 30 SECONDS OF RIDE TIME FOR UR HOURS LONG WAIT?????? CORPORATE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU FUCKING BABIES. NOT EVEN THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC
 
Honestly, if they were going for the height gimmick, they should have followed through. Otherwise why not just make something lower to the ground altogether. Imagine the inverted launch followed by a full circuit/lower to the ground multi-inversion coaster. Something similiar to alpen fury.
 
In retrospect, Ryan Eldredge talking about this ride really does sound like size anxiety. and there's no beating the phallic monstrosity of the King...

EDIT: 50 pages of northdetective! So happy to have come so far with you all!
 
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25 feet? They cheaped out on 25 feet of height that'd get to 400'?

What an incredible disappointment, man. Echoing @Zachary on the idea that there's little point to this specific model without it being a Strata, let alone being nearly 100' shorter. They could've taken that money and stretched it so much farther on a better fitting coaster. Instead, we're getting a second shuttle in 3 years, second spinner in 2 years, and a non-strata at that. Yes, I am going to be bitter and petty.
 
I’m still excited for this ride …. But I won’t lie when I say a lot of the recently built hype over the last few weeks has sorta been ruined with this.

Zach’s right. If this was just a giga, they could’ve went multiple other routes that would have been better. They also could’ve curbed our expectations from the start and said it won’t be a strat, however they kinda did the opposite. Built us up to let us down.

It’s misleading.

Ryan reads theses forums, so let me be clear, it’s still a good addition. I’m sure it’ll be a great great ride. But this under delivery is reminiscent to what great adventure has been for the last 15-20 years. A history we were optimistic with the start of project purple was finally changing. This was the only path to a Strat. Now CP will be standing solo with that claim
 
I’m sure 375 vs 400 won’t be as noticeable on the ride itself but I would lie if I said I wasn’t disappointed it’s not a strata… if you’re building a giga why not just build a B&M Giga at 330 Ft and claim the lift hill record
Yeah… to be honest, I’m disappointed. I was just recently talking about this exact situation in the forum. A full-circuit giga coaster from Mack, B&M, Intamin, etc. would have been a much better choice. I’ve never really been a fan of spinning coasters, and I was already disappointed that it was another shuttle.

This coaster just doesn’t feel like a fantastic fit for a park like GA. It seems like it was built to be a gimmicky, tall coaster to replace KA and I would’ve been fine with that if it were 400 ft or taller (after all, KA was a gimmicky coaster too). But now only being a giga, it feels like a missed opportunity, definitely not a true KA replacement in my view.

I was hoping this would be a strata coaster and that we could get a giga later. But now that this is going to be the giga, I’m skeptical we’ll see another one anytime soon. On top of that, it’s going to be hard to market this as a giga coaster when it’s replacing the former world’s tallest coaster.

I think a lot of enthusiasts—and even the general public who knew KA as the tallest coaster—will see this as a downgrade. Don’t get me wrong, it still will be a great ride, but given the circumstances, the disappointment is understandable. At this point, all we can do is stay positive and enjoy the new coaster—it’s still going to be something unique and exciting.
 
Going to throw this out there and I’m curious on people’s choice on this. Obviously there is a Mr. Freeze-esque switch track to help capacity, and recently there’s been some discussion on how effective that will be but if you had these two choices of where the money went for Six Flags, what would you choose?

375ft tower with switch track (better capacity)

421ft tower with no switch track (higher thrill)
 
Going to throw this out there and I’m curious on people’s choice on this. Obviously there is a Mr. Freeze-esque switch track to help capacity, and recently there’s been some discussion on how effective that will be but if you had these two choices of where the money went for Six Flags, what would you choose?

375ft tower with switch track (better capacity)

421ft tower with no switch track (higher thrill)
Vekoma boomerang

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I 100% believe this spinner is actually less appealing than a relocated Giant Inverted Boomerang to the general public.
 
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Going to throw this out there and I’m curious on people’s choice on this. Obviously there is a Mr. Freeze-esque switch track to help capacity, and recently there’s been some discussion on how effective that will be but if you had these two choices of where the money went for Six Flags, what would you choose?

375ft tower with switch track (better capacity)

421ft tower with no switch track (higher thrill)
375 with the switch track, every day.
 
Really my exact thought process. It’s a bit disappointing that it’s just shy of being a strata, but it’s still going to be the 3rd tallest coaster in the world, and since day one, I’ve said that I don’t really care how tall this is if it’s a hell of a ride, which all signs point to. Certainly a missed marketing opportunity, but I’m sure the park has its reasons (and those reasons have nothing to do with Cedar Point despite what Reddit is already claiming, big shocker).

I still have every intention of being there as close to opening day as I possibly can.

Given B&M’s quality issues in the past 5ish years, they are the absolute last manufacturer that needs to be anywhere near this park during such a major turning point. This will also be a standout ride that will draw comparisons to nothing else in the world, where a standard giga would be great (assuming B&M miraculously fixes their issues for this theoretical ride) but wouldn’t really be the most unique thing out there.
Yes, I can understand ride experience matters more to you. However, I don’t like spinning coasters and many don’t either. I cant see any prototype 300 ft spinning coaster being reliable hopefully I’m wrong. This seems like a risky expensive addition that could have been a reliable full circuit high capacity giga coaster which the park really needs!
 
Food for thought in case anyone is buying into the "a strata just wasn't achievable!" line of thinking:

CEDAR FAIR MANAGEMENT JUST GOT DONE BUILDING A GROUND-UP STRATA COASTER SPIKE FOR TOP THRILL 2! TT2'S ENTIRELY NEW, FREE-STANDING SPIKE IS 420 FEET TALL!


Expecting the same for SFGAdv—a park with what I sincerely believe to be a higher potential ceiling than Cedar Point's—after they blew up Ka, removed a ton of other rides, and delayed the project a full year is completely, 100% reasonable. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
 
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Food for thought in case anyone is buying into the "strata just wasn't achievable" line of thinking:

CEDAR FAIR MANAGEMENT JUST GOT DONE BUILDING A GROUND-UP STRATA COASTER SPIKE FOR TOP THRILL 2!


Expecting the same for SFGAdv, a park with what I sincerely believe to be a HIGHER ceiling than Cedar Point's, after they blew up Ka, removed a ton of other rides, and delayed the project a full year is completely, 100% reasonable. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Zachary you have been my solid foundation all along in a topsy-turvy world of falsehoods and astroturfing

If we're not getting a strata out of this project, I think you'll find many people (myself very much included) not at all happy with that outcome.

Right now the rumors and survey say strata so I'm very comfortable with discussing it as such—but should it not meet that bar, I'll be happy to open up a pitchfork stand next to @northdetective's torch booth to supply the hordes of dissatisfied thoosies that would result.

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the torches are ready dear <3
 
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