News Project 2027/Purple: Delayed “World Record Breaking Coaster" (Phantom Spire?)
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How about the fact that if this is a spinner, the turn will actually get this thing... spinning. I think the curve is a huge deal.
Now that I look at it too, the size of these footings/cages are massive. Even the smaller cages are still larger than the wheels on the concrete truck. This is gonna be a huge ride!
I put this little footing map together based on all of the current information we know about the footings from eyewitnesses. The white dots represent footings they are currently digging. The bottom-most lime green section lines up with that @superbat3313 posted earlier on what he saw from El Toro. I think the layout of these footings (which could likely be for the exit of the zero-g stall) lines up perfectly with what we're seeing on the other side of the site at the supposed entrance to the zero-g stall/banking element (see my previous mockup). It's got that same triangular shape that tapers off. The section of footings I labeled in red lines up with what @ski4ever5 posted on what he saw from his ride on Superman.
Looking at these footings, I think this all lines up that these are all for a large inverted or banked element. I'd really love to think that this is for a launched zero-g stall! I made a little mockup (no shortage of mockups today) of what this could look like:
If I had to guess, we'll probably see another pair of footings between that triangular entrance structure and that first big A-frame. I think there's already evidence of this being done. We'll probably see at least 3-4 of these large A-frames to support the stall. The excavations labeled in this photo below definitely look like they are for these large A-frames.
This is gonna be an insane stall if that's what it ends up being! Looks like it'll roll to the right coming into the stall and invert to 180 degrees.
Looking at these footings, I think this all lines up that these are all for a large inverted or banked element. I'd really love to think that this is for a launched zero-g stall! I made a little mockup (no shortage of mockups today) of what this could look like:
If I had to guess, we'll probably see another pair of footings between that triangular entrance structure and that first big A-frame. I think there's already evidence of this being done. We'll probably see at least 3-4 of these large A-frames to support the stall. The excavations labeled in this photo below definitely look like they are for these large A-frames.
This is gonna be an insane stall if that's what it ends up being! Looks like it'll roll to the right coming into the stall and invert to 180 degrees.
Downsizing the project at the very least would make a 2026 opening more than reasonable.
I can’t see them downsizing this. It would be a massive disappointment.
I wholeheartedly think if it’s the tower we’re getting, the options presented to SF were either downsize the project or delay it, and they chose the latter.
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I think it’s pretty clear now this is the spinner, the placement of the footers just makes too much sense, interesting to see the layout was altered to turn slightly. Hope we get supports or track on site sooner rather than later
This is a very great update, thanks to Colin for putting this out for us!
I think this definitely confirms what I mentioned yesterday about the entrance/exit of the stall and the A-frames. I can say with probably 90% certainty, just based off the layout of the excavations and current footings and no other information, this is probably for a massive launched zero-g stall. I’d say ~130-150 feet tall at the very least, and super drawn out. We’ll probably see anywhere from 6-8 of these large A-frame supports where you’re completely upside down that entire time.
I think one important thing to note is the similarity in the “triangular” pattern that the footings follow at both the entrance and exit of the element; specifically, that the entrance is noticeably smaller and not nearly as drawn out as the exit will be.
The exit of the stall will be taken at much higher speeds: once as the train exits the upside-down launch and is traveling 80+ mph into the third boost launch up the tower, and a second time as it comes back down from the tower and is traveling anywhere from 80-100+ mph. Naturally, it makes sense that this exit triangle of footings is much larger and more drawn out than the entrance side, which is corroborated by what we see on site.
Right now, this exit pattern is the last excavation they’ve outlined. We’ll definitely be seeing more footings and markouts as they shift work over toward the tower. If the tower is aligned straight with the stall, I would expect the site to expand vertically and swallow that small bit of road left that cars can currently access. But I am curious to see if it will take another slight turn to align itself towards where the Ka tower was, as that’s part of the construction site they’ve got marked off.
Very awesome developments!
Not to be difficult, but I think too much is being read based on just footers right now.
Most Mack coasters have squared footers without a circular post. B&M does mostly pure squared footers. Intamin does the combination squared and round.
Is that to say an OEM can’t change the footer pattern? No, not at all. I honestly don’t think you can take much on the footer pattern until we see the bolt pattern. That’s the spot where OEM’s tend to be more distinctive. And while Mack is the leader in free spin cars, remember that Intamin, Gertlauer, Maurer, and Zamperla also make spinning models.
Most Mack coasters have squared footers without a circular post. B&M does mostly pure squared footers. Intamin does the combination squared and round.
Is that to say an OEM can’t change the footer pattern? No, not at all. I honestly don’t think you can take much on the footer pattern until we see the bolt pattern. That’s the spot where OEM’s tend to be more distinctive. And while Mack is the leader in free spin cars, remember that Intamin, Gertlauer, Maurer, and Zamperla also make spinning models.
I think the square vs circle footer argument is stupid and people are obsessing too much over it because they’re in denial that we’re getting a 400 foot tall spinner
To me it’s the placement of these footers that matters, you can clearly see the first launch, dual load station, maintenance area, and A-frame like supports for the stall.
Not to mention this has been told to us by informed members of the community for months. Coliwood Studios, Coaster Spot, and El Toro Ryan just to name a few. It’s pretty clear it’s the spinner, I’m now interested to see the color scheme, theme, and name.
I definitely agree, it’s all very speculative right now. I’ve been doing a lot of reads based on the footings, and I definitely feel strongly that the evidence leans toward the Mack tower coaster theory. We caught a glimpse of the anchor bolt cages on site (no close-up yet) that resemble what Mack has used before. Even though these are circular, Mack has gone circular on some larger rides in the past (like DC Rivals). If Mack, this will definitely be their largest project in terms of sheer magnitude, so it is also entirely possible they make some adjustments to their support/footing design accordingly to accomodate new elements or higher structural loads than what the current design can handle.
Could it still be Intamin or another big player manufacturer? Absolutely! (An Intamin would be sick). I just think there’s solid evidence pointing toward Mack and a tower coaster layout, especially a launched zero-G stall element. I think, for me, it's about looking at what’s feasible right now, what’s on the market (what we know exists/can exist), and what’s been hinted at by people with some degree of insider intelligence. Still, I’m hesitant to draw any hard conclusions until we have more concrete details.
To defend my point, this is what I was referring to. We have plenty of people reporting Mack, but given the delay, it could be the manufacturer changed, could be anything really. Ultimately I think without announcement or site plans, track and supports are going to be our best option for knowing for sure what style. Spinner vs not, that we won’t know until the announcement likely.
I agree with you, we do have a lot of people (ElToroRyan, CoasterSpot, and more) hinting that it's the Mack tower coaster. The manufacturer could have changed, you very much could be correct; it truly could be anything. Track and supports are definitely going to be our best indicator of what we're looking at exactly.
That being said, with the current intel and tangible information we have, I do think there are some "best guesses" that can be made. I agree with you, it is hard to determine 100% without anything concrete, but I think there are many factors that serve as strong evidence for the Mack tower. That's not a definitive conclusion, but I think evidence lends itself toward that possibility more strongly than anything else that we currently see/have at this moment. That could always be subject to change
I might get some hear for this but why is everyone so obsessed with the manufacturer? Mack is arguably the most innovative manufacturer out there right now and are making some absolutely incredible rides. Why is everyone so obsessed with the being an intamin? I get that intamin is great but we’re seriously talking about the same model being built by both manufacturers and somehow everyone thinks the intamin would be the better ride? Intamin has only ever built two spinning coasters none of which to the scale of the Mack tower. It’s absolutely insane to me that this ride is still getting so much hate and so many people are still so desperate to see it not get built. ITS A 400 FOOT TALL SPINNER WITH THE FIRST TRUE INVERTED LAUNCH.
Yessssss, this is EXACTLY what I saw from toro, that massive “A” type thing. Honestly the spinner idea is kinda growing on me so I’m actually pretty excited If it is what we’re getting, even tho it will be a gimmick it’ll still be absolutely insane, especially if they made it a full circuit or at least give it a turn table, but if it is the spinner I think great adventure needs another coaster soon aswell to get attendance back to where it used to be tbh.
Personally I’d love if they were to relocate a few coasters from America as a “sorry” to us for ka and everything else like how cedar point got sirens curse for the TT2 delay, relocating coasters from there is probably also the cheapest way to get more new things at great adventure because of the tariffs and everything. And it’s not like great adventure doesn’t have the land either, I’d honestly be fine with rajun Cajun, Superman, and wild one all being moved to great adventure. Wild one would probably be the best fit but the least likely imo just because of it being wood. Superman is an amazing ride and would probably bring back loads of people to great adventure just because of the height alone, especially if they market it as a new attraction with the tower coaster aswell, the gp would go wild for the park having 2 200 ft roller coasters and 1 new 400 ft coaster. But as for rajun Cajun it just makes total sense, even if it’s just a temporary thing for a few seasons, but from my reading here it seems that may actually be happening lol
I think that the people assuming it’s Intamin are also assuming it’s a different ride model, and not just them doing their take on the spinning tower. Some guy said this project will be a “Giga Velocicoaster” and now people are running with that for some reason.
Anybody who is saying its not the mack tower is trying to will their own fantasy into existence basically. They think if they hope hard enough that it will change 
Part of me is starting to feel scared that they downsized it. I can’t see a 400ft ride fitting in this plot.