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I’m in agreement with you….except for the competition aspect. Sure there’s less competition across the country but Great Adventure still faces a lot of competition. Sure Dorney is no longer necessarily hurting the park but Hersheys more popular now than it ever has been with no sign of stopping. That’s the level Great Adventure needs to get to in order to be competitive in the market they want it too.

The other thing that needs to be pointed out is the experience this company has now. All of the former Paramount properties saw huge improvements under Cedar Fair management with sone of them now being premier destination parks. If the company dedicates enough resources to making great adventure a true destination park they’re more than capable.

I am not familiar with the history of the former Paramount Parks, only been to KD twice 20 years ago. So when CF acquired those parks, did they have multiple rides removed at once and an equal number of replacement rides installed in a short time frame? A repainted building does not make up for a lost ride, even though management tries to convince us otherwise.
 
I am not familiar with the history of the former Paramount Parks, only been to KD twice 20 years ago. So when CF acquired those parks, did they have multiple rides removed at once and an equal number of replacement rides installed in a short time frame? A repainted building does not make up for a lost ride, even though management tries to convince us otherwise.
Let's take Carowinds for example... Cedar Fair acquired Carowinds in 2006. A lot of smaller improvements happened right after (like better food, landscaping, paint, etc). The first "big" thing is when they closed the Flying Super Saturator roller coaster and replaced it with a Vekoma Boomerang (now called The Flying Cobras) which they relocated from Geauga Lake in 2007. Then they removed the log flume and replaced it with Thunder Striker (formerly Intimidator) in 2010. They removed Thunder Road (the park's beloved racing wooden coaster) in 2015 and White Water Falls in 2016 to make way for Cooperhead Strike, the Mack launch roller coaster, in 2019. Even though the park was acquired in 2006, it took several years to see major investment and for all of the improvements to come to fruition, and now Carowinds is a go-to destination. Most recently, they closed/removed the old river rapids ride and it is finally getting replaced next year with a super flume.

While it sucks all of these rides at Great Adventure closed (I truly think Kingda Ka and the Skyride are the only one's worth mourning, the rest don't really matter much personally), we know there will be a replacement coaster for Kindga Ka next year and we should continue to see improvements over the next few years based on what the park has said. GA needs a lot of TLC so it's going to take years, just like it did with the former Paramount Parks transformations.
 
I am not familiar with the history of the former Paramount Parks, only been to KD twice 20 years ago. So when CF acquired those parks, did they have multiple rides removed at once and an equal number of replacement rides installed in a short time frame? A repainted building does not make up for a lost ride, even though management tries to convince us otherwise.
I don’t know about multiple attractions all at once, but I do know that Kings Dominion closed Hypersonic XLC the year that Cedar Fair took over. Cedar Fair also shut down an entire park (Geauga Lake) right after the Paramount acquisition, and although it was one they already had in their portfolio prior to the Paramount acquisition, it was still a big change along with the mass rethemes that had to happen in the former Paramount parks as Cedar Fair rushed to remove the Paramount IPs that they didn’t obtain the rights to. All of this to say, yes there was some awkward and painful transition time after that acquisition.
 
I would count the parachutes a major loss too, even though they were closed before the merger. Also count the drop tower too.

Less competition is bad for the consumer. It lowers incentive for companies to put out value as there are less alternatives for consumers. "What you going to do? Go to a different park? LOL we own most of the other neighboring parks too so TS."

GAdv's case is a bit different from the Paramount Parks as it has been hemorrhaging rides since the Red Zone days in the early 2000s, which is over 20 years ago. RZ ripped out many rides such as Chiller, Moon Flume, and the simulator. Chiller was the only ride with a half decent replacement in Dark Knight, though some still viewed it as a letdown. Moon Flume was replaced with Wiggles World which was disappointing and did not last long while the simulator was never replaced, at best it houses Halloween mazes.

CF is not just the latest round of removals but the largest I seen in the 37 years I have been visiting the park. The size and depth of the removals is highly concerning especially with the park's already decades long decline in rides. Now with the political and economic upheaval GAdv may not be getting many replacements.They ripped out over 1/8th of the then remaining park in one go and frankly its doubtful they will ever rebuild that much back let alone the previous 20 years of removals. Of all the legacy SF parks, GAdv was gutted the most. GAdv desperately needs an SFFT treatment, not more GAdv treatment.
 
Despite its multitude of technical issues and being SBNO for most of the season, I also consider Zumanjaro to be a huge loss - it was the world's tallest flat ride and, presumably, no drop tower will ever have that kind of interaction + synchrony with a roller coaster again.

The competition aspect of this is interesting. We just saw Universal make a major move, and all the talk is not of whether Disney will decide to retaliate in kind, but when and how they will do so. Obviously these are large scale destination parks that are right on top of each other, so it's far from a 1:1 comparison, but the fact remains that competitor proximity plays a massive role in spending decisions. In that sense, while they're not exactly next door neighbors, I'm glad that we have a very strong competing regional park in Hershey to try and keep Six Flags "Honest."

Economic uncertainty is a potent factor in all of this. New SF decided to eviscerate a large area of Great Adventure, presumably with grandiose long term plans of what they'll do with it. We witnessed unprecedented levels of subtraction, affording a very rare opportunity to revitalize an entire sector of the park. While the possibilities are very exciting, I really hope the turbulent economy (among other factors) doesn't create a situation where they're putting all their eggs in one basket with the 2026 addition. Don't get me wrong, more than anything I want this to be a massive, awe-inspiring structure worthy of occupying Kingda Ka's plot. The park will be rewarded with plenty of business if it is. But I also hope the corporation is willing to adapt, and the suddenness of this entire demolition/reconstruction process combined with a changing economic climate doesn't wind up eliminating the entirety of their budget. They'll likely need to be willing to provide some leeway to see this park's full potential come to fruition.
 
I am not familiar with the history of the former Paramount Parks, only been to KD twice 20 years ago. So when CF acquired those parks, did they have multiple rides removed at once and an equal number of replacement rides installed in a short time frame? A repainted building does not make up for a lost ride, even though management tries to convince us otherwise.
I never visited these parks back then but from my understanding Paramount was another company which poorly mismanaged their parks. Yes the situation is different here but I brought it up to show that the new management has experience when it comes to bringing substandard parks up to standard. Over the last two years I do believe that management was trying to help the park but really had no idea how to actually do it. The Cedar Fair team knows what they’re doing. Honestly I’m more than happy to have a few years where the park is trying to reset itself if it means we can get back to where the park was in 06. Much rather that then just watch years go by without any meaningful change.
 
We witnessed unprecedented levels of subtraction, affording a very rare opportunity to revitalize an entire sector of the park.
This has been my main takeaway since day one, especially with Golden Kingdom having nothing aside from Ka since 2010 and Zumanjaro since 2014, and Boardwalk having been in desperate need of investment for years now. We know Parachuter’s Perch was dead pre merger, Twister has been “definitely closing this year” for at least a decade, and I can’t imagine Green Lantern was long for this world regardless, I’ve always assumed it would be the next coaster removed.

With demolition beginning on Temple of the Tiger, they’re clearly starting from page 1 with the entirety of the Golden Kingdom, which I don’t think is necessarily a bad choice. That’s a LOT of land right in the front of the park that can be so much more than it was overall, even if it did house the world’s tallest coaster and drop tower.
 
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what if its the beginning of the great adventure version of jungle expedition like the one from kings dominion
 
I never visited these parks back then but from my understanding Paramount was another company which poorly mismanaged their parks. Yes the situation is different here but I brought it up to show that the new management has experience when it comes to bringing substandard parks up to standard. Over the last two years I do believe that management was trying to help the park but really had no idea how to actually do it. The Cedar Fair team knows what they’re doing. Honestly I’m more than happy to have a few years where the park is trying to reset itself if it means we can get back to where the park was in 06. Much rather that then just watch years go by without any meaningful change.
I don't know how KD'e current operations are like but back when I visited that park in 2001 and 2002 the operations weren't good. It was the first park I ever saw that began testing their rides after the park opened, not before.
 
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I don't know how KD'e current operations are like but back when I visited that park in 2001 and 2002 the operations weren't good. It was the first park I ever saw that began testing their rides after the park opened, not before.

Yes, so your experience in the middle of the Paramount era was bad. KD's reputation has improved dramatically since then. That's not a coincidence.

You should expect the same slow and steady evolution from SFGAdv. It may legitimately take 20 years, but, assuming history repeats itself and Six Flags can continue to run the legacy Cedar Fair playbook, it'll get there.
 
With demolition beginning on Temple of the Tiger, they’re clearly starting from page 1 with the entirety of the Golden Kingdom, which I don’t think is necessarily a bad choice. That’s a LOT of land right in the front of the park that can be so much more than it was overall, even if it did house the world’s tallest coaster and drop tower.
I really hope they decide not to start from square one, just because I feel like there was so much untapped potential with the golden kingdom, and tbh I don’t think they have enough time to start from square one. I do get the decision to demo the temple of the tiger though, it was hardly ever used since the tiger show was done away with and it was a terrible place for the animals with some of the loudest rides in the park directly nearby.
 
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wouldn't surprised me if they end up keeping the facade or repurposing the facades for part of the boardwalk area (its happened before with the magic moutnain stunt show facades where those got reused for a fright fest maze), who knows, maybe the jet from green lantern gets repurposed as theming of the 2026 coaster
 
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Yes, so your experience in the middle of the Paramount era was bad. KD's reputation has improved dramatically since then. That's not a coincidence.

You should expect the same slow and steady evolution from SFGAdv. It may legitimately take 20 years, but, assuming history repeats itself and Six Flags can continue to run the legacy Cedar Fair playbook, it'll get there.
20 years is one of the problems, there will likely be several corporate turnovers before then, with each new team having their own new plans. People like to speak about the long run but I will quote Keynes: "The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is past the ocean is flat again."
 
Okay, well I don't know what to tell you then, @The Master. Parks are giant, lumbering beasts that take many, many, many years to change course. There's no such thing as turning a park around on a dime. Expecting anything even remotely close to that is absurd and if that is your standard, you will be perpetually perturbed.

It is reasonable for the rest of us to hope that history repeats itself and Great Adventure enjoys a similar metamorphosis as other legacy Cedar Fair parks have. Neither you nor I know what will happen, but we can point to a strong track record from the legacy Cedar Fair parks whose evolutions continued despite huge external disruptions like the financial crisis and COVID.

Ultimately, the fact that there's a chance for Great Adventure to change course at all should be a huge positive. The previous direction was obviously failing. This sale is the best life raft SFGAdv was ever likely to get. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't, but at least now there's a real chance at dramatic improvement eventually.
 
20 years is one of the problems, there will likely be several corporate turnovers before then, with each new team having their own new plans. People like to speak about the long run but I will quote Keynes: "The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is past the ocean is flat again."
I think you're ignoring the evidence we have... which is how CF turned around the Paramount Parks and made great improvements over several years and during disruptions such as COVID, like Zachary said above. That's all we can point to and nobody has a crystal ball. Based on the evidence and history, we can assume that Great Adventure will see pretty big improvements over the next several years. On top of that, the Park President and PR Manager said the same thing in interviews so that should give you some sense of optimism as well.
 
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Maybe a good way to see it is if one keeps their optimism low, they are less likely to be disappointed if things do turn bad and if things somehow do well then its even more of a pleasant surprise.
 
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For what it is worth, as someone who has to read every post on this Forum that is not how it appears to me. There seems to be a pattern of persistent negativity across all topics, including perceptions of historical events. Perhaps, your intent is not entirely being conveyed.
 
Maybe a good way to see it is if one keeps their optimism low, they are less likely to be disappointed if things do turn bad and if things somehow do well then its even more of a pleasant surprise.
I say we all just bow down to @The Master and his negativity and just worship his overflowing omniscience.

Joking aside, one can be positive and still be a realist. Negativity attracts negativity. I'd rather be cautiously optimistic and still maintain hope.
 
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I’ve only been a member of this forum for a few months after making the jump from GAH, and the only username I remember so far is The Master. The constant negativity is leaving an impression, and it’s not a good thing.
 
For what it is worth, as someone who has to read every post on this Forum that is not how it appears to me. There seems to be a pattern of persistent negativity across all topics, including perceptions of historical events. Perhaps, your intent is not entirely being conveyed.

I simply don't have a positive outlook on the majority of the amusement industry, to me it's been on the decline since before Covid. It sucks when something you like changes into something you don't and it's happened at several parks for me and I didn't give up on them quickly either. It's unfortunate that many of these recent major negative changes for GAdv, (at least to me they are negative), coincides with the GAH migration to here and me being a newcomer to you guys not helping. I was a member on GAH for over 20 years without issues while weathering many management turnovers and changes at GAdv, but nothing on this scale. If my opinions are unpopular to many here, well that would be unfortunate but no skin off my nose either. I don't let popularity or contrarian control my opinions on matters.
 
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