I’ll be going to the park on Saturday to check out the construction as well as Toro, should be cool
News Project 2027/Purple: Delayed “World Record Breaking Coaster" (Phantom Spire?)
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I agree that it does kind of feel like an arbitrary flip of the switch to see these reactions over a number, but the height really cements this coaster as the gimmick coaster without a gimmick imo. I don't mean to speak for anyone but I think some people were able to overlook a number of compromises (including the length and capacity limitations of a shuttle) for the sheer anticipated size, which hasn't ended up materializing.
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Sigh.....I think the frustrating part is I'm not even fucking surprised. Sincerely what are we doing here? Look I don't think very many people would've been able to really tell the difference between 400 and 450 feet....but 375? Thats a whole 75 feet shorter than Ka. And I know that Cedar Point is the fucking golden child of the chain but you're seriously telling me this thing couldn't hit 400? Thats BS and corporate knows it. If they weren't willing to commit the funds needed to properly replace Ka THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE WAITED. I'm so livid rn I can't even
If they still go with 2 more major thrill coasters along the empty plot of land they cleared when getting rid of Ka & Lantern. I’ll be more fine with it
Good god no, I can feel the rattle from South Carolina.
I just don't understand why they wouldn't push for 400 feet, like that is such an easy marketing piece to have. It doesn't even have to outshine TT2 cause we know they don't want to do that.... whatever I guess I'm going to bed angry tonight
What a frustrating project, throughout this entire process. “It’s Kingda Ka’s replacement,” as the ride doesn’t even go where Ka was…at least it’s the same model of ride as Ride to Happiness…oh wait, it’s a shuttle and doesn’t have anything that makes Ride to Happiness special…at least they’re spending the money they would be on a full circuit ride making it a strata…oh wait, Great Adventure can’t even have that.
What if the tower itself is 375ft but the track goes higher than that? We’ve seen a few concepts like that over the last few months.
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I could have called this a while ago. I also do not care in the slightest. Honestly think not being a strata invites fewer comparisons to Ka. This thing is still gonna dominate the park.
If it was a choice between 25 extra feet and good theming I’d take the theming 10/10 times.
Still believe SF is doing a solid job w this addition—feels very Cedar Fair esque in a good way
If it was a choice between 25 extra feet and good theming I’d take the theming 10/10 times.
Still believe SF is doing a solid job w this addition—feels very Cedar Fair esque in a good way
For the record, I still absolutely trash TT2 as not living up to the original Dragster (the weaker forward launches and my general disdain for backwards launches does it for me), and it dropped the ride from #3 at CP and Top 5 out of 372 overall to not even top 5 at CP and not even in my top 25 overall. I also think this ride at SFGAdv is a perfectly adequate addition to the park. It's not something I'm likely to ride more than once, since I generally dislike spinning on a coaster, but it is a substantial investment and a quality addition to the park that the GP is going to absolutely eat up.
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Whatever the ride is, let’s not lose sight of the truth that everyone seems to be ignoring. It will still be located in New Jersey.
Not that I, a passionate hater of this whole project, will feel any better about it unless it's the lighthouse structure I demand, but they really have to knock it out of the park on theming because this ride is not gonna stand out on mediocre (for the gimmick it pretends to aspire to) stats and category-specific records alone
Before I was thinking the park was intentionally being run into the ground to profit from medium-term redevelopment, and I wasn't on board with the whole "Cedar Fair Execs Personally Hate Great Adventure" line of thinking until now. Truly feels like they're thinking
Fiesta Texas is gonna one-up Falcon's Flight with those quarry walls by 2030 tho. Mark my words
Before I was thinking the park was intentionally being run into the ground to profit from medium-term redevelopment, and I wasn't on board with the whole "Cedar Fair Execs Personally Hate Great Adventure" line of thinking until now. Truly feels like they're thinking
Fiesta Texas is gonna one-up Falcon's Flight with those quarry walls by 2030 tho. Mark my words
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I’m not sure if Texas is better or worse at this point. Whoever wins, we lose.
375 feet above finished grade is the highest point any part of the completed structure can reach (in this case, that will likely be the height of the FAA required light). Depending on the design of the tower, track can likely reach, essentially, that exact same height, but it's not guaranteed to. To the FAA, a "structure" doesn't mean the support tower, "structure" means anything a plane can't fly through—coaster track very much included.
The only way this isn't what it says on the tin is if another waiver is coming or an amendment is filled.
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There are some mornings when I wake up and realize how grateful I am to not take this hobby so fucking seriously...
Honestly, it makes part of me wish Kingda Ka never existed.
It was plagued from poor decision making from the start, resulting in more and more aspects of the initial experience getting taken away. We saw the initial queue area get abandoned after the first year due to the cable snap, the second half of the station abandoned not too long after once they realized it actually slowed down operations, years where it was down entirely because like the engine ate itself or more cables snapped, no other rides anywhere near it for nearly a decade, and, once semi-reliable operations were actually kinda achieved, saw a drop tower slapped haphazardly onto its side that neutered said operations for years.
All this, mind you, required an annual maintenance budget that has been confirmed to us to rival the entire budgets of decent mid-sized amusement parks. So like part of me gets that losing KK is a loss from a marketing perspective, but I'd have to imagine that the ROI there was a lot lower 20 years later than what we saw even over the first decade of its life.
So yea, there are definitely a lot of "what could have been"s if a lot of other decisions were made differently over the years. But I just don't see how it could've gone on much longer.
All right, bring it on, fully expecting my first 'dislike" ever on this forum after this post lol.
Honestly, it makes part of me wish Kingda Ka never existed.
It was plagued from poor decision making from the start, resulting in more and more aspects of the initial experience getting taken away. We saw the initial queue area get abandoned after the first year due to the cable snap, the second half of the station abandoned not too long after once they realized it actually slowed down operations, years where it was down entirely because like the engine ate itself or more cables snapped, no other rides anywhere near it for nearly a decade, and, once semi-reliable operations were actually kinda achieved, saw a drop tower slapped haphazardly onto its side that neutered said operations for years.
All this, mind you, required an annual maintenance budget that has been confirmed to us to rival the entire budgets of decent mid-sized amusement parks. So like part of me gets that losing KK is a loss from a marketing perspective, but I'd have to imagine that the ROI there was a lot lower 20 years later than what we saw even over the first decade of its life.
So yea, there are definitely a lot of "what could have been"s if a lot of other decisions were made differently over the years. But I just don't see how it could've gone on much longer.
All right, bring it on, fully expecting my first 'dislike" ever on this forum after this post lol.
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There are some mornings when I wake up and realize how grateful I am to not take this hobby so fucking seriously...
Honestly, it makes part of me wish Kingda Ka never existed.
It was plagued from poor decision making from the start, resulting in more and more aspects of the initial experience getting taken away. We saw the initial queue area get abandoned after the first year due to the cable snap, the second half of the station abandoned not too long after once they realized it actually slowed down operations, years where it was down entirely because like the engine ate itself or more cables snapped, no other rides anywhere near it for nearly a decade, and, once semi-reliable operations were actually kinda achieved, saw a drop tower slapped haphazardly onto its side that neutered said operations for years.
All this, mind you, required an annual maintenance budget that has been confirmed to us to rival the entire budgets of decent mid-sized amusement parks. So like part of me gets that losing KK is a loss from a marketing perspective, but I'd have to imagine that the ROI there was a lot lower 20 years later than what we saw even over the first decade of its life.
So yea, there are definitely a lot of "what could have been"s if a lot of other decisions were made differently over the years. But I just don't see how it could've gone on much longer.
All right, bring it on, fully expecting my first 'dislike" ever on this forum after this post lol.
Surely I've disliked at least one of your posts. But it won't be this one
Wah wah we're getting a 300+ ft Mack extreme spinner with an upside-down launch and I'm still gonna complain because it doesn't live up to its predecessor that everyone dunked on because it was inferior to dragster anyway wah wah
Nope! I've gotten one eye-roll and one angry face, but no dislikes specifically yet.
Come on, do it... I dare you... you wanna be cool, don't ya?
EDIT: Noooo, my cherry's been popped, noooooo lol. Thank you, @MaxxForceFan!
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