Project 2025: Jungle X-Pedition Retheme Phase II

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madmax said:
I genuinely don’t understand why anyone wants a dark ride there. It would just be wonder mountain guardian 2.0 where it’s screens: the ride. Just can the volcano concept and build a quality coaster which is what people go to KD for.
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Given that the mountain was originally constructed to house 2 dark rides and a flat ride, I would not rule out a dark ride as a future possibility.

As far as Canada's Wonderland Guardian ride, it is one of many dark ride variations. Neither of KD's former mountain dark rides were anything like Guardian. They were the closest thing to a Disney dark ride back then. I don't think any US regional theme park has come close to making something like the Lost World since it opened in 1979.
 
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I wouldn't ever rule out the possibility of any theme park adding a dark ride, however I don't think because they constructed a mountain in the 1970s to house dark rides, that Cedar Fair in the 2020s is going to shift drastically from their capital investment approach and construct a large expensive mountain to house dark rides like that.

My general guess would be Jungle X expansion with Zamperla flats, a smaller B&M or maybe even a GCI. That seems to be their MO for expansion these days, and personally I hope for a deviation in coaster manufacturer (NOT ZAMPERLA) for the purpose of it being surprising more than anything. That and improving areas to make them more immersive, but with 5% (a lot less most likely) of the budget of the immersive areas at Disney and Universal.

I believe we are at Step 2 of the Jungle X Phase II thread cycle at this time. Though it feels like a hybrid of Step 2 and 3 since we're talking about a dark ride and not like a Vekoma tilt coaster or something else.
 
Welp, there we go, the non-existent mystery of Anaconda's status is solved.

Granted, it's an older non-classic Arrow coaster so eventually it'll run out of service life.

But given that all evidence presented so far is that it's fairly reliable, has generally good attendance, is a capacity monster, and also really easy to fit into JX's theme make that claim highly unlikely.

BLSC... Well I think many folks here have speculated what that retheme could look like, so hopefully anyone here is close to right.
 
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madmax said:
Yeah I don’t think CF is doing anything like that especially with the possibility of lot of downtime
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Those dark rides were up and running more than I-305 has been since it opened in 2010. Might as well say the same for Twisted Timbers since it opened in 2018. Until KD makes it official of what is going in the mountain's spot, nothing is off the table
 
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Jonesta6 said:
Welp, there we go, the non-existent mystery of Anaconda's status is solved.

Granted, it's an older non-classic Arrow coaster so eventually it'll run out of service life.

But given that all evidence presented so far is that it's fairly reliable, has generally good attendance, is a capacity monster, and also really easy to fit into JX's theme make that claim highly unlikely.

BLSC... Well I think many folks here have speculated what that retheme could look like, so hopefully anyone here is close to right.
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While I like anaconda I’m told by several coworkers it’s anaconda's last season
 
Yeah, this is where I have a major issue with you @92ramsfan

I don’t mean to be rude… But cmon man. This is NOT Anacondas last year. You’re also trying to destroy Dennis’s character by making false accusations regarding his leave. I apologise, but this forum has done such a great job lately filtering this kind of stuff out and I sure hope it stays that way. I am 100000% sure that you are wrong about Dennis, as well as Anaconda.

Back to your regularly scheduled broadcast.
 
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mwhinva said:
Those dark rides were up and running more than I-305 has been since it opened in 2010. Might as well say the same for Twisted Timbers since it opened in 2018. Until KD makes it official of what is going in the mountain's spot, nothing is off the table
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I have no idea why the uptime comparison to Intimidator 305 and Twisted Timbers of dark rides from decades ago is relevant. This thread isn’t about debating what should go in the volcano plot of land, or the value of a dark ride versus a roller coaster.

It’s not like people don’t want them to build a new mountain, just a lot of us have followed the industry for decades and that idea while fantastic doesn’t appear consistent with what Cedar Fair, the owners of Kings Dominion are doing with capital investment. Expedition Everest at Disney World cost an estimated $100 million to build in 2006 and the largest roller coaster at KD cost $25 million to build in 2010. I’m not sure what a Cedar Fair budget friendly cost of a mountain would be but I have a feeling it’s more than what they plan on spending on this expansion.

Am I saying a dark ride in Jungle X is a non starter? Hell no we just haven’t seen them build a new dark ride since Guardian and the Voyage to the Iron Reef……thing.

So anyway, there’s like this Eagle and Panther image the park has scattered about Jungle X-Pedition…..
 
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Which of these is more likely?

Volcano replacement - hawk temple
BLSC - cat temple
I305/FoF - Area 75

Volcano replacement - hawk temple
BLSC - safari jeep adventure
FoF - ultimate JX discovery
I305 - cat temple

Volcano replacement - cat temple
BLSC - safari jeep adventure
FoF - hawk temple
I305 - ultimate JX discovery

Volcano replacement - ultimate JX discovery
New flat ride - hawk temple
BLSC - cat temple
FoF/I305 - Area 75

Volcano replacement - ultimate JX discovery
New flat ride - hawk temple
BLSC - safari jeep adventure
FoF - sci-fi ride
I305 - cat temple

By Area 75 I mean like Area 72 at Kings Island or a scientific research base in the jungle.
 
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CoasterAuditor said:
I have no idea why the uptime comparison to Intimidator 305 and Twisted Timbers of dark rides from decades ago is relevant. This thread isn’t about debating what should go in the volcano plot of land, or the value of a dark ride versus a roller coaster.

It’s not like people don’t want them to build a new mountain, just a lot of us have followed the industry for decades and that idea while fantastic doesn’t appear consistent with what Cedar Fair, the owners of Kings Dominion are doing with capital investment. Expedition Everest at Disney World cost an estimated $100 million to build in 2006 and the largest roller coaster at KD cost $25 million to build in 2010. I’m not sure what a Cedar Fair budget friendly cost of a mountain would be but I have a feeling it’s more than what they plan on spending on this expansion.

Am I saying a dark ride in Jungle X is a non starter? Hell no we just haven’t seen them build a new dark ride since Guardian and the Voyage to the Iron Reef……thing.

So anyway, there’s like this Eagle and Panther image the park has scattered about Jungle X-Pedition…..
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I have no idea why you think my response is debating anyone. I am stating my thoughts on potential possibilities for that site and that I am keeping an open mind until KD spills the beans on what is going there.

In no way am I expecting an "Expedition Everest" mountain replacement. Disney's centerpiece is 5 to 6 times the size of the former "Lost World" structure. Keep in mind that Knotts currently has two mountain like structures to house a log flume and a mine train. Those mountain-like structures don't come anywhere near the scope/scale of of a similar attraction at Disney.

Whatever goes in that spot, I hope the park will do something to make the FOF structure less prominate. It is a visual distraction now that the former mountain is gone.
 
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rswashdc said:
Overhauling Backlot is going to involve a lot more than just the cars. It will probably be the largest project of any ride to change to a Jungle X theme.
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I’m fully aware, it’s whether or not the ride is rethemed to the feline temple or some safari keep trek through the jungle, the cars will most certainly become jeeps.
 
Anyone been to the park lately and noticed any new activity on the former Volcano site? We're heading into July so I would think if it's a 2024 roller coaster, land clearing and heavy ground work will begin by August. If it's a flat ride package and other supporting infrastructure then construction could begin much later in the year.

Still hopeful for a 2024 project, even though the reimagined Top Thrill Dragster is obviously the priority for Cedar Fair next season...
 
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