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Ya know...I came here tonight sharing my extemely elementary research regarding MMXX. I was ready to walk out with my ol' tail between my legs. But, somehow that's all gone now in a sea of lap belts and comfort collars about other coasters and locations. I shoulda just binge watched Matlock....
 
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GrandpaD said:
That's my thought. And those that did the recreations.
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I'm imagining since they are maintaining the FAA height waiver that either the spike itself will still exceed 200 feet or the cranes themselves will exceed that height for a prolonged period of time requiring the permit to still be active. The spikes on these coasters typically are as tall or slightly taller than the tallest element of the ride to make up for the length of the train (which is about 40 feet).
 
BGWnut said:
Last thing I'm going to say about collars. No one said they were developing new trains. Just that if SEAS is willing to pay them RMC/Intamin will find a way to put them on the cars.
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That’s not how it works buddy. Parks can have requests but the manufacturer actually has to offer it too. The Premier trains were already made to support the collars sans a couple clip ons.

RMC isn’t giving a hybrid collars and Intamin isn’t putting them on their current setup. B&M also isn’t building anyone a 4D coaster right now.
 
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@b.mac The spike in SwD is about 197ft and the TH is about 10ft shorter. The PA design shows a 167ft spike and 147ft TH.

I'm guesstimating 240 spike and 195ish (from recreations) TH.
 
b.mac said:
I'm imagining since they are maintaining the FAA height waiver that either the spike itself will still exceed 200 feet or the cranes themselves will exceed that height for a prolonged period of time requiring the permit to still be active. The spikes on these coasters typically are as tall or slightly taller than the tallest element of the ride to make up for the length of the train (which is about 40 feet).
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I'm still curious as to whether Busch would need another height waiver for the top hat if the spike is taller. My guess would be no because technically it's the same structure as the spike. Or do you need a waiver for a part that goes about 200 feet?
 
GrandpaD said:
@b.mac The spike in SwD is about 197ft and the TH is about 10ft shorter. The PA design shows a 167ft spike and 147ft TH.

I'm guesstimating 240 spike and 195ish (from recreations) TH.
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That’s a very large difference. I still can see the top hat being above 200 albeit not near 240
 
I'm guessing that's why @Zachary mentioned two indicators of height to JCC...assuming one for the spike and one for the top hat. I believe JCC requires that for anything over 60ft. I'm not any way certain whether the FAA would require two being they're so close together.

This is like being at a cocktail party with countless different concurrent conversations.
 
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Nivlac_remark said:
Random question for now but does anyone know how tall Mach tower is exactly and how high was its permit
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Mach Tower is 240 or 246 feet tall(In double checking I've seen both heights listed in different places so I'm not sure which is correct). I'm not sure what it's height waiver was
 
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BGWnut said:
Mach Tower is 240 or 246 feet tall(In double checking I've seen both heights listed in different places so I'm not sure which is correct.. I'm not sure what it's height waiver was
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At first me being an untrained eye thought maybe the DNE was referring to the max height of structures within the park already but upon further inspection that makes little sense. However Mach tower gives a representation of how high the height could be but does busch Gardens really want there new coaster to be taller than their “signature” drop tower.
 
GrandpaD said:
I'm guessing that's why @Zachary mentioned two indicators of height to JCC...assuming one for the spike and one for the top hat. I believe JCC requires that for anything over 60ft. I'm not any way certain whether the FAA would require two being they're so close together.

This is like being at a cocktail party with countless different concurrent conversations.
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Wait hold up -- this may be a stupid post bare with me. I'm really confused about why two permits would be needed if it is all one coaster? Does that mean every aspect of the ride that goes over 60ft has to be cleared? Would that mean the large, banked airtime hill would need a permit too cause it's probably gonna be over 60 ft?
 
DangerRaide said:
Wait hold up -- this may be a stupid post bare with me. I'm really confused about why two permits would be needed if it is all one coaster? Does that mean every aspect of the ride that goes over 60ft has to be cleared? Would that mean the large, banked airtime hill would need a permit too cause it's probably gonna be over 60 ft?
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It's a difference between local ordinance and FAA requirements. Local ordinance mostly cares about the highest point of the ride, whereas the FAA cars about anything potentially breaking 200 feet.
 
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b.mac said:
It's a difference between local ordinance and FAA requirements. Local ordinance mostly cares about the highest point of the ride, whereas the FAA cars about anything potentially breaking 200 feet.
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Thanks I was wondering the same thing. Wasn't sure if since it's the same structure they needed to clear everything above 200 with the FAA or just the highest point of the ride.
 
madmax said:
That’s not how it works buddy. Parks can have requests but the manufacturer actually has to offer it too.
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If a park decides to shell out the money; the manufacturer will try to make it work however they can. Manufacturers aren't going to just refuse to do something simply because they haven't done it previously.

Also earlier you kept saying OTSRs, you should keep in mind that Comfort Collars (CCs) are NOT the same as Over The Shoulder Restraints (OTSRs). OTSRs are there solely for ride safety where as CCs are there for a guest to 'feel' more safe even though they do not actually keep you safe.
 
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@Nivlac_remark If my assumption of DNE is correct, that would be the max height they could go. I agree with you about Mach Tower. I know @Zachary , et al will cringe, but the "slide" doesn't bullet point being "tallest", which I think they would if it was projected to be.
 
GrandpaD said:
I know @Zachary , et al will cringe, but the "slide" doesn't bullet point being "tallest", which I think they would if it was projected to be.
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?

That's a red flag.

That said, height doesn't really matter, does it? We want to know the drop, no?

Let's assume the top speed is 76 miles per hour and that speed is achieved at the bottom of the Rhine drop. Guesses as per how tall that drop would be?
 
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Lol, I knew you would cringe.

I'm horrible at physics, so I'll point to the folks that recreated the ride. The low point at the river is 30 (?) And it was assumed a 220 ft. drop, so 190-195ft top hat.

And my 5'1" wife does think height matters
 
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