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The Rhine is a manmade impoundment and therefore is regulated differently than natural lakes. There maybe wetlands along the perimeter, however that does not disqualify discharging into the Rhine. BG should be able to use the Rhine to control the quantity of stormwater while simultaneously purchasing nutrient credits to address the water quality issues, assuming that the Rhine does not meet the current regulations on water quality treatment.

The bigger issue with the Rhine is that some of it's water does make it to the Chesapeake Bay. The Chesapeake Bay does have some of the most unique and strictest regulations on it, which is why we need the buffer on the Rhine, despite it not being connected. The Rhine also taps into the natural water table of the area, adding into the protections that are needed.
 
Wow, I never thought I could learn so much about stormwater and water quality regs from a coaster forum ? Thanks guys for your knowledge, it definitely helps me understand BGWs situation a little bit better when it comes to new construction.

Now back to your regularly scheduled banter and unsolicited opinions about why this ride is or isn't going to be a Premier coaster.
 
The bigger issue with the Rhine is that some of it's water does make it to the Chesapeake Bay. The Chesapeake Bay does have some of the most unique and strictest regulations on it, which is why we need the buffer on the Rhine, despite it not being connected. The Rhine also taps into the natural water table of the area, adding into the protections that are needed.

Yes, that is true. Even though the CBPA and the new 2014 regs are substantial, there are provisions that may allow this to move through easily. If the engineers can demonstrate that this project is 1% or less of the drainage area or flow to the Rhine, they won't have to do anything about the quantity. That only leaves addressing quality. Purchasing credits is simple and quick and there are no long term costs or long term maintenance issues.

I do like your idea of underground storage, but it is extremely expensive. I only use it as a last resort.
 
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Premier is a lot more than the sky rockets. The Mummy. Full Throttle. This new Dragonfire ride. I think they can do a lot more. I'm intrigued...

Anyways, the "spike ride" is made by someone other than Intamin so it's possible still.

You're welcome. ✌️

Full Throttle looks terrible tbh. Like it does nothing other than that vertical loop.

Mummy wouldn’t be that great if it didn’t have all that theming.
 
Yes, that is true. Even though the CBPA and the new 2014 regs are substantial, there are provisions that may allow this to move through easily. If the engineers can demonstrate that this project is 1% or less of the drainage area or flow to the Rhine, they won't have to do anything about the quantity. That only leaves addressing quality. Purchasing credits is simple and quick and there are no long term costs or long term maintenance issues.

I do like your idea of underground storage, but it is extremely expensive. I only use it as a last resort.

I would trust BGW to have smart enough environmental engineers, hydrologists, and environmental geographers to ensure there are no setbacks.

From a governmental and law standpoint the important two things are: how do you replace the buffer you take out, and do you ensure overall water drainage rates stay the same. Replacement and swales do that.
 
Full Throttle looks terrible tbh. Like it does nothing other than that vertical loop.

Mummy wouldn’t be that great if it didn’t have all that theming.

Don’t judge rides until you’ve been on them. And UO’s Mummy would be great even without the theming, which other than the transfer and turnaround, there isn’t any.
 
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Now that is interesting. That looks like the curve at the base of B&M turnarounds and wave turns.
 
I thought it looked more like a giga first drop/turn out of the drop. Slight straight section hugging the terrain before a sharp upward curve. Tightly spaced footers could point towards this theory, if it hugs the ground. @Zachary seemed to concur when I showed this to him yesterday.
 
I know diddly squat about reading what kind of turn it'll be by looking at footer patterns.

But after @CarterGee started discussion of the spike on the "leak" slide, I did some searching. I couldn't find a single straight or twisted spike even close to the height listed on the waiver. The closest was the (defunct) "Speed-The Ride" at 224ft.

Soaring with Dragon's spike is 198ft. The new Intamin "Dueling" I posted earlier today is 184ft. The Mack I mentioned is 131ft. AIso, I note that the height of the coaster was not a bullet point on the "leak" slide. You would think, if true, they'd be hyping "tallest ride in the park".

As we see today, plans are revising and (I bet) finalizing. But, unless that rendering was totally off, I just don't see a spike over 100ft taller than anything that exists today. So, I think the 315ft waiver was for an initial idea that's been shelved.
 
I know diddly squat about reading what kind of turn it'll be by looking at footer patterns.

But after @CarterGee started discussion of the spike on the "leak" slide, I did some searching. I couldn't find a single straight or twisted spike even close to the height listed on the waiver. The closest was the (defunct) "Speed-The Ride" at 224ft.

Soaring with Dragon's spike is 198ft. The new Intamin "Dueling" I posted earlier today is 184ft. The Mack I mentioned is 131ft. AIso, I note that the height of the coaster was not a bullet point on the "leak" slide. You would think, if true, they'd be hyping "tallest ride in the park".

As we see today, plans are revising and (I bet) finalizing. But, unless that rendering was totally off, I just don't see a spike over 100ft taller than anything that exists today. So, I think the 315ft waiver was for an initial idea that's been shelved.

Why is it that the 315 ft waiver (not a cheap process by any means) the thing that could be shelved and not the vertical spike?
 
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How many times do I have to say that the height permit could be for a top hat and not the spike?
 
Who knows. Maybe they'll stick a Star Flyer in the middle of it.
I mean you technically are correct in the sense that they could. There isn't really anything saying that the RPA impacts are for the same attraction as the height waiver at this point. They are both named "Project Madrid" in the filings, but that doesn't mean they're the same ride.

I imagine you were probably being somewhat facetious in your comment, but your post has more validity than most on this thread.
 
Why is it that the 315 ft waiver (not a cheap process by any means) the thing that could be shelved and not the vertical spike?
As I said...IF the rendering in the "leaked" slide were to be believed. And, IF that slide is factual, why no bullet point about height? It would be 75ft taller than Mach Tower.

How many times do I have to say that the height permit could be for a top hat and not the spike?
Too many times?
 
As I said...IF the rendering in the "leaked" slide were to be believed. And, IF that slide is factual, why no bullet point about height? It would be 75ft taller than Mach Tower.


Too many times?
Considering how they called this a family coaster I wouldn't put too much stock into the description.
 
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