Project 2022: Pantheon

[Sly4Good]

As a concept artist myself, trust me when I say that images like these really aren't that hard to fake. Sketchup, No Limits 2/Planet Coaster, and photoshop can go a really long way tbh.

As much as I would love to see this being like Soaring With Dragon, I'm beyond skeptical given how bizarre all these details are.

 

[GrandpaD]

As a concept artist myself, trust me when I say that images like these really aren't that hard to fake. Sketchup, No Limits 2/Planet Coaster, and photoshop can go a really long way tbh.

As much as I would love to see this being like Soaring With Dragon, I'm beyond skeptical given how bizarre all these details are.

I agree the way the slides were prepared, presented and "leaked", the whole thing is rather bizarre.

Maybe wishful thinking (I'd like to see it at BGW), but the only detail in the text probably of the slide that doesn't "fit" Soaring with Dragon is "family". Soaring hits around 77mph at top speed (third launch up the non-inverting loop). The rest of the circuit averages in the mid 50s. I think people might misinterpret the line referring to seeing the top speed and final drop to the river as a single location. Using the concept art as an example, you could see the third launch from afar and then (later) the final drop closer to you standing on the bridge. I'm not familiar with those Intamin restraints in regards to height requirement.

Still plenty of time to see what else comes out. I'll be interested to see what's in the permit filings regarding structures, pathways, etc. You have to figure they'll start surfacing in the next couple of months.

 

[thopping]

Wow, what a busy day and follow-up to the questions... Appreciate sharing the "leaked" imagery & twitter link.

So... answers a few of my questions... namely about the "source" and also how the content was shared. So we have no actual copies of the presentation... we have some poor quality photos of what's claimed to be a marketing presentation.

I've now placed the veracity of this new information at slightly above 0%. There are far too many issues with the verbiage, terminology, photos, formatting, etc. on a practical level, and furthermore it doesn't align well with how I'd expect a "marketing" presentation to approach the topic nor with other known data from RPA/JCC filings, and the source seems very suspect. I kinda felt that way beforehand and suspected it further with Zachary's plain text copy of the slide, but it helps to see just what is being claimed as a "leaked" preso.

The only reason why I don't dismiss it completely is, correct me if I'm wrong, this source supplied WildGravity et. al. and Wild was referenced in the Orlando media, which SEAS apparently referenced in their twitter feed, seemingly vouching for the content? Perhaps so... but I don't put much weight in that either really. Possible trolling, but really I think that's just SEAS creating some buzz around a media story about investment in their properties...nothing more, and not meant to say they approve/agree with the content. Easy enough for them to explain away as "we were just 'liking' a story speculating about our parks."

 

[warfelg]

The only reason why I don't dismiss it completely is, correct me if I'm wrong, this source supplied WildGravity et. al. and Wild was referenced in the Orlando media, which SEAS apparently referenced in their twitter feed, seemingly vouching for the content? Perhaps so... but I don't put much weight in that either really. Possible trolling, but really I think that's just SEAS creating some buzz around a media story about investment in their properties...nothing more, and not meant to say they approve/agree with the content. Easy enough for them to explain away as "we were just 'liking' a story speculating about our parks."

On this part, maybe that or they saw the headline about SEAS making some big waves and didn't really read the content.

 

[BGWnut]

I have been reading some of the posts in here and I had to create an account so that I could debunk some of the talk about the slides from this deck. I want to start out by saying that I am a former BGW employee and this is a throwaway account because I do not want to burn any bridges if I can avoid doing so. I have a couple of problems with the leaked slides and I will attempt to explain below.

Does corporate actually refer to BGW as "BGW"?

This may surprise you but this is how BGW is referred to within SEA. This leads me to an issue with these leaked slides. The internal designations are correct for BGW and BGT but are incorrect for the 3 SeaWorld parks. The Busch Gardens, Sesame and their related parks are referred to as the abbreviation for the park and the first letter of the city. So Busch Gardens Williamsburg is BGW, Water Country is WCW, Busch Gardens Tampa is BGT, Adventure Island is AIT and Sesame Place is SPL (Sesame Place Langhorne). That being said the designations for the SeaWorld parks work a little differently. They are referred to as park and state they are located. So SeaWorld Orlando is SWF, SeaWorld San Antonio is SWT, SeaWorld San Diego is SWC and the Aquaticas are APO, APT and APC. I honestly have no idea why they are different and I don't know if anyone really does know besides that is the way it works
That is the first red flag to me. In an internal presentation they would not be listed as SWO, SWSA and SWSD because that shorthand is not used internally. Also typically on the slides the title at the top would be the full name of the park and then in the text below they would be abbreviated but not always.

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Also this looks real.

This brings me to the other thing that really bothers me about this deck that was used. It doesn't match any of the decks that corporate used for presentations. There are guidelines that are expected to be followed when creating powerpoint presentations and often there is a premade deck to use. These do not coform to any of the guidelines that I saw. Any deck coming from corporate would use the blue to green color scale that is typically found in the arch on the SEA logo and that logo would be on every slide. I never saw one presentation that didn't include the logo on every slide.

Also, it makes no sense for details to be listed TBD. There would probably be a disclaimer at the beginning saying that there might be changes but I would expect to see the details as they stood at the time of the presentation. It makes no sense to have important details TBD.

Honestly, if I had to guess this was made by someone who has been following some of the rumors and made some mockups that depicted some of the things that they wanted to see based on what some of the rumors are.

 

[Logang]

I think the biggest thing no one has brought up is the 54in height requirement. No way it can be classified as a family coaster with the highest height restriction in the park. With that logic Apollo's Chariot, Griffon, and Alpengeist are also all family coasters.

 

[madmax]

Probably because it isn’t a family coaster and someone was being stupid.

That being said I still don’t see how the info itself is fake. The slides may be but several people have backed up the attractions, especially RMC Gwazi and the SeaWord family launch.

My hunch is that these are the attractions for 2020 but someone amateur made bad slides out of them to take credit.

 

[dude205]

My biggest issue with the whole thing is the supposed height requirement. 54” is in no way a family coaster.

Gavin talked about this, but yes the information on the slides really doesn’t match up with one another. Not saying we couldn’t get a coaster like SWD, because I very much think we could, but I don’t think the slide is credible enough at the moment for me. I’m trying to stay with the mentality we had before this leak, at least till we get more site plans or credible type information from the admins, cause the lack of information is throwing a lot of stuff off right now.

 

[BGWnut]

Probably because it isn’t a family coaster and someone was being stupid.

That being said I still don’t see how the info itself is fake. The slides may be but several people have backed up the attractions, especially RMC Gwazi and the SeaWord family launch.

My hunch is that these are the attractions for 2020 but someone amateur made bad slides out of them to take credit.

The SeaWorld family launch is also just an uncomfirmed rumor right now. RMC Gwazi is the only thing that is pretty much certain at this and that's been speculated ever since it closed it isn't hard to just guess that'll happen. Pretty much everyone could see that every since it closed. Also I've only really ever seen people back up the attractions by referring back to these same slides. I haven't seen anyone else come forward with a different source.

 

[Zachary]

Thanks for the park abbreviation insight @BGWnut!

Also I've only really ever seen people back up the attractions by referring back to these same slides. I have seen anyone else come forward with a different source.

THIS. So. Much. This.

People keep pointing to these slides as a second source on the rumors posted to WildGravityTravels and BehindTheThrills. That is totally and completely asinine. It's all circular sourcing. Everyone's "information" came from these questionable slides to start with.

 

[warfelg]

This brings me to the other thing that really bothers me about this deck that was used. It doesn't match any of the decks that corporate used for presentations. There are guidelines that are expected to be followed when creating powerpoint presentations and often there is a premade deck to use. These do not coform to any of the guidelines that I saw. Any deck coming from corporate would use the blue to green color scale that is typically found in the arch on the SEA logo and that logo would be on every slide. I never saw one presentation that didn't include the logo on every slide.

Thanks so much for this bit of information. I'll be honest that this is what really bothers me. The lack of an official looking slide. The company I work for has a department that you send broken out what info you want on the slide, and they build it for you. I dunno is SEA does this, but it's a way to ensure ANYTHING that can get out there with the company logo uses the right colors, the right format, the right font, and just all looks the same. Almost all corporations have some level of wanting the formatting the same.

THIS. So. Much. This.

People keep pointing to these slides as a second source on the rumors posted to WildGravityTravels and BehindTheThrills. That is totally and completely asinine. It's all circular sourcing. Everyone's "information" came from these questionable slides to start with.

Like my problem with claiming you've "seen slides" and then about to over a week later they finally come out makes me really question the validity. Why not wait to report until the slides can come out? Then you aren't questioned. But especially waiting this long makes it feel like once everyone questioned, they were made to back up.

The other part I questioned the moment I saw it was the 'leak' with the rumor ended up being exactly what was on the slide. In almost the exact same order too. I find that hard to buy. Usually you would miss something or change the order.

 

[Zachary]

WildGravityTravels (and seemingly Orlando Weekly) had eyes on the actual slides when they published their reports. It's unclear from BehindTheThrills' reporting if they had seen the slides before yesterday or not. With that in mind, it's really not surprising to me that the reports echo the slides so closely.

Also, there's a very good chance none of these outlets had any idea that these slides were going to go public. I haven't spoken with BehindTheThrills or Orlando Weekly about the circumstances around this leak, but I know WildGravityTravels didn't know how far the information had spread before their article and that they were forbidden from leaking the actual content.

 

[Ghost of Pretzel Kaiser]

This thing has become one shitty leak Ourboros.

 

[warfelg]

WildGravityTravels (and seemingly Orlando Weekly) had eyes on the actual slides when they published their reports. It's unclear from BehindTheThrills' reporting if they had seen the slides before yesterday or not. With that in mind, it's really not surprising to me that the reports echo the slides so closely.

Also, there's a very good chance none of these outlets had any idea that these slides were going to go public. I haven't spoken with BehindTheThrills or Orlando Weekly about the circumstances around this leak, but I know WildGravityTravels didn't know how far the information had spread before their article and that they were forbidden from leaking the actual content.

Fair enough. Not knowing any of the particulars behind the scenes; it all feels fishy. It's a strange 2 weeks on this project we just had with strange information, then the slides coming out, and now an employee saying that there's inconsistencies with the slides.

Going with what someone else said, and expanding, all these slides together has some feel of wishful thinking with the 1 semi-confirmed rumor. But the more I think about it.....how realistic is 5 coasters in 1 year for a chain? I know SEA is coming around, but even that feels like a HUGE investment.

 

[BGWnut]

But the more I think about it.....how realistic is 5 coasters in 1 year for a chain? I know SEA is coming around, but even that feels like a HUGE investment.

Honestly it doesn't seem that far fetched. In the most recent investor call the company committed to spending $150 million a year on new attractions. They said that this would be spread across rides, shows and events. It seems likely that they could build a few roller coasters and give the parks without them a new show or event. It's tough to say exactly how much a coaster would cost until it's done.

 

[madmax]

Honestly it doesn't seem that far fetched. In the most recent investor call the company committed to spending $150 million a new year on new attractions. They said that this would be spread across rides, shows and events. It seems likely that they could build a few roller coasters and give the parks without them a new show or event. It's tough to say exactly how much a coaster would cost until it's done.

You could easily imagine Busch building a $25-30 mil roller coaster with their share of the CapEx.

 

[DJTLG]

Zachary,

I'd like to hear your analysis on how this slide compare with site plan posted a while back.I realize that one could have been created before the other and that details may have changed, but how far off are they from each other? Which do you feel is more credible and more recent?

 

[madmax]

Oops

 

[b.mac]

SEAS has come out and confirmed the slides are legit.

SeaWorld spokesman Travis Claytor confirmed Tuesday the images are real and pulled from a company presentation, although he stressed nothing has been made final or approved yet.

Claytor also referred back to the company’s goal of opening a new ride or event at each of its theme parks as part of a $150 million capital spending plan that interim CEO John Reilly previously announced earlier this year.

Key words, COMPANY PRESENTATION (...) NOTHING HAS BEEN MADE FINAL OR APPROVED YET.

What you're looking at is probably mid-progress ideas being used for the presentation to give the investors and board members an idea of what is planned for each park. It could've been an idea and talking point amongst the engineers and other technical staff collaborating with the manufacturer(s) involved but the big thing to note is things can change over the course of a ride's design phase. Drastically change.

For proof of what I'm talking about refer to Helix:

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[Coffee_Kreamer]

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Well that’s a game changer who ever made this PowerPoint at SEAS needs an editor.