Project 2019: Finnegan's Flyer (S&S Screamin' Swing)

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BGW Family said:
They could always save money and put it where they don't have to damage atmosphere, remove trees, nor build a platform? I'd be happy to draw a map of all the flat, empty spots, not jammed up again existing structures, for the planners. Since they can't seem to find them on their own.
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THIS. Even Killarney has several out-of-the-way spots that could give the ride an equally compelling visual draw without destroying that area of the park's quaint, natural beauty. There was a time in recent history when the park went out of its way to designs attractions to have minimal impact on the natural landscape. Now they are deliberately ravaging the landscape to confront guests head-on with their big metal amusement ride.

I'm looking forward to the Screamin' Swing itself, but I can't look forward to the obliteration of one of the park's quietest, most naturally charming settings. I can get enough of the so-called "thrilling" atmosphere of a busy steel contraption at Kings Dominion.
 
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THIS. Even Killarney has several out-of-the-way spots that could give the ride an equally compelling visual draw without destroying that area of the park's quaint, natural beauty. There was a time in recent history when the park went out of its way to designs attractions to have minimal impact on the natural landscape. Now they are deliberately ravaging the landscape to confront guests head-on with their big metal amusement rides.
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I can't think of any place other then off in the back corner where Unearthed Quee was that it could have gone in Killarney that wouldn't gave raised a fuss.
 
Part of what is exciting about the project is that it swings out over the ravine. You can't recreate that just anywhere else.

Maybe there was a way to put it behind O'Taters? But then it wouldn't have the strong path presence that the current solution provides.

I get that we're going to lose trees, but in a few years I suspect the area is going to look really good.
 
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Radical suggestion, but maybe the scale of an attraction like this one is simply too big for the entrance area of Killarney and it should have gone elsewhere.
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I just wish they tied the ride in better with the Killarney gate because imo it feels really dissonant with the rest of the area. I'm bad with money, but I don't think fake stonework would cost that much.
 
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Zachary said:
Maybe there was a way to put it behind O'Taters? But then it wouldn't have the strong path presence that the current solution provides.
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Why does a 10+ story tall attraction need strong path presence? I would argue that the attraction would get enough attention no matter where it goes given its size. The ravine behind O’Tators, or perhaps further back and closer to Castle O’Sullivan, would be ideal in my opinion because it would provide a more isolated experience of swinging over the ravine in the woods but the attraction would still be plenty visible tucked behind the village’s buildings.

Obviously plans can’t change now, but I feel it’s important to voice my displeasure to with the park's departure from adding attractions that preserve its natural beauty.
 
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Remember these are artist renderings and not architectural drawings. I'm sure they wanted to accentuate the actual ride for this art release. We'll see what transpires in the next few months.
 
:shrug: I have 0 problems with where they put it and in fact I think where they put it will take the best advantage of maximizing the downward facing effect.
 
Little late to the party... but probably for the best so it didn't raise my "ire" during the work week. But yeah, the dueling colors is a little tone deaf. Not much more to add that hasn't been written or that I didn't raise in the naming of Battle for Éire. I still contend "Eire" can be quite insulting without the accent mark, and what to call the Republic of Ireland was a source of tension between the Republic and the UK throughout the last century. But hey, why not add to that battle reference with a duel?

I refrained from sharing my "ire" after riding that thing this summer and knowing they not only misspelled Éire but learning they also mispronounced it as "ire" throughout the whole script. What, are guests too dumb to learn how to pronounce a new word? It's in "Ire"land after all, surely Éire is where "Ire"land comes from, right? It's pronounced "air-uh," not "ire." I guess I should be thankful they didn't pronounce it like Lake Erie.

Whether Finnegan's Wake, er, Flyer or Éire or whatever, the park comes across at worst as insensitive and at best as lazy (there's even a Wikipedia page with the correct spelling & pronunciation for Éire--how hard is it to google something?).

/rant
 
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PS: On the trademark topic, yeah, surprised me too. Had been checking USPTO on and off expecting a possible announcement, and it's still not there as of this evening. Maybe there's a lag in posting? Not sure. But the only things showing up for 2018 by SEAS are "K" (as in a renewal for the KIDsiderate logo), Uproar, Twisted Tiger, & Tigris. Really surprised me they had registered "K" by itself and no one else had....

It does sound like an opportunity for trademark squatting for sure....
 
I believe that in copyright and trademark rulings, if you can show that you’ve used the name before someone else that is laying a claim to it, you get to have it. Now that it has been advertised, one would be hard-pressed to squat the name and expect to get much more than a hard time for it.
 
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I believe that in copyright and trademark rulings, if you can show that you’ve used the name before someone else that is laying a claim to it, you get to have it. Now that it has been advertised, one would be hard-pressed to squat the name and expect to get much more than a hard time for it.
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This is basically true, although the rules are a bit more complex. Trademark squatting isn’t allowed in the United States, and the rules make squatting impossible. In order to register a trademark, you need to submit proof that you’re either: (1) currently using the mark in interstate commerce; or (2) have a bona fide intent to do so. If you can’t provide evidence of one or the other, the mark won’t register. You also have to specify the type of goods you’re going to use the mark on. So the name of a ride might be specified for “amusement services” or something.

What I find interesting is how a regional park can register a federal trademark on a ride, where it’s clearly located in one state and technically wouldn’t be interstate commerce. I haven’t looked into it, but perhaps it’s similar to rules for airports. For example, a restaurant that only exists in a single airport can still register a federal trademark because airline passengers are coming in from other states, so they count it as interstate commerce.

That was a huge tangent to say that BGW doesn’t have to worry about trademark squatters or not being able to claim rights to the name of the ride. Or, at least they don’t have to worry about their rights because of squatters. There may be other factors that could preclude them from registering the trademark, but I guarantee their lawyers have already looked into that.

EDIT: The mark won't actually register as a trademark UNTIL you're using it in interstate commerce. If you file your trademark application under an intent to use and the USPTO approves it for registration before you start using it in commerce, you have 3 years to start using it before you lose rights to it. (Sorry, in case it's not obvious, I'm a big nerd.)
 
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Just a thought here:
Maybe it was owned by someone else and SEAS/BGW bought it from them. Or leased it.
 
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