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You seem to be missing my point, or intentionally splitting my post into chunks and redirecting it to make it not valid, but I am not trying to make this a hostile discussion.

I would implore someone to disagree with me that scale matters when it comes to referencing dark periods of history. That is my point. Scale matters, like how in society we have certain "unmentionables", based off of scale and impact. Not saying I agree or disagree with how things are, I am just saying that in our time, scale matters. And I feel that we should be giving attention to that. Not just instantly being opposed to it because it is edgy.

Your addressing of my using O'Taters and the religious conflict shows you do not see what I mean by scale. Though the roots of conflict may have been religious, Ireland's religious past and Hitler's reign should not be compared in this context because of their scale.

I don;t want to spend the time to counter back all the points you just made because it isn't my intent to disprove you, my intent is just to get people to recognize scale. I apologize if you felt personally attacked to the extent where you felt the need to split the cohesiveness of my post to make it look incorrect.
I'm not trying to invalidate your point. In fact, I mentioned twice that I agree with you about there being a gray area. Check out the thread I included in my last post - I really think you'll find it interesting.
 
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Uhmmmm...pssst...pssst....the duel in Ireland never happened...it was a bad dream induced by indulging in a turkey leg, large baked potato, two German sausages and a large Loch Ness Monster Dippin' Dots.
 
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I’ll just be honest:
I didn’t even thing of connecting the two (using dueling and the history of Ireland) until I read it here. That’s just where my thought was.

I didn’t like the dueling in there because because it’s not really a dueling ride. It’s a swinging side by side. They don’t interact a whole lot, and the parts the come close only 4-8 people really notice. I feel like the creative team has been snoozing a bit and not really putting a lot into the story of a ride. I know this is self patrionizing but the little “story” I came up with feels like it fits more, non-offensive, and only took 5 minutes.
 
When treating a wound, the severity of the damage and the freshness of the injury both matter. The Troubles is a very fresh wound and it was a really nasty one too.
I'd say it's not only fresh, but still an issue given Brexit. Ireland's border issues are becoming a problem again with the UK leaving the European Union as Ireland has chosen to stay in the EU. They are debating in parliament right now on how to manage a border between the two states and haven't come up with a good solution.
 
Can't wait for the IRA laser tag arena!

I apologize in advance.
The park is ratcheting up the thrills so that will be a pay for it paintball attraction instead of lazer tag.
 
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The park is ratcheting up the thrills so that will be a pay for it paintball attraction instead of lazer tag.

Ironically PA’s (and the east coast for that matter) biggest paintball event is a recreation of DDay, Axis vs Allied.
 
In jest, a few posts above, I said the "duel" never happened. I meant that, after @Zachary pointed out to BGW their lack of judgment in calling the ride a duel, they deleted the line (and corrected the 'exited' typo). Because the forum linked directly to the BGW post and not a screen cap, new visitors haven't a clue what this lengthy discussion is all about.
 
@GrandpaD: Good Point.

Here is a screen capture of the original post that struck several of us immediately as being in incredibly poor taste:

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I guess it's a good thing that someone picked up on the error and fixed it. But it was something that should never have happened to begin with. Also makes you wonder how closely they are watching this thread and if we caused the change.
 
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Controversy or the original description aside:
I like that it’s going to swing over the ravine, that they used brown legs and not blue to blend in with the sky. I wish they could find a way of extending the rockwork of the bridge into this but it seems as though that won’t happen.
 
Controversy or the original description aside:
I like that it’s going to swing over the ravine, that they used brown legs and not blue to blend in with the sky. I wish they could find a way of extending the rockwork of the bridge into this but it seems as though that won’t happen.
For $20m you'd think they could afford some rockwork.
 
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You would at least think they would try to carry over some of the more castle-like elements from the entrance gate to try and help better tie the two elements together.

It's going to be an amazing experience to ride it the side facing the ravine, but I can't help but feel like they're seriously missing out on breathing some extra life into the ride y'know?
 
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So, they are clearly going to have to clear away many of the trees that can be seen here:
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As you can see here, once these trees are gone, you might be able to see all the way to the train trestle due to the clearing from the pipe project. Do you think they'll take advantage of this in some way?
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Personally, I wouldn't be against them creating a new path past Loch Ness Monster's station through the ravine (underneath the trestle) with an incline up to the Ireland bridge. It could be done in a way to be easier for park patrons who can't navigate the very steep decline next to Loch Ness Monster. Maybe widen the Rhine River a bit, as well in this area.
 
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Personally, I wouldn't be against them creating a new path past Loch Ness Monster's station through the ravine (underneath the trestle) with an incline up to the Ireland bridge. It could be done in a way to be easier for park patrons who can't navigate the very steep decline next to Loch Ness Monster. Maybe widen the Rhine River a bit, as well in this area.

While I'm not sure how feasible that is in reality, I think that'd be pretty neat to do down the line. It'd help get some cool views of a couple of rides and spare people the agony of Scotland's Stupefyingly Steep Slope™ . Maybe even allow for some future infrastructure expansions too.
 
For $20m you'd think they could afford some rockwork.

Maybe they do and we don’t know. But considering the land transformation they have to do, building the compressors as far away as they are, the cost of the ride. It’s expensive.

But I’m standing with what I said when the $20 mil number came out: I think they overshot so if there are overages they won’t have to refile permits at a higher rate. Some counties, towns, townships, cities let their tourist industry make improvements, and pay for the permits after when they know how expensive it was.
 
I know S&S is not the cheapest company to work with but $20 million is way over what a Screamin' Swing would cost, even with it being on an elevated platform.

For both of the 2019 additions I'd expect the expenses to be somewhere closer to half of that $20 million.
 
They could always save money and put it where they don't have to damage atmosphere, remove trees, nor build a platform? I'd be happy to draw a map of all the flat, empty spots, not jammed up again existing structures, for the planners. Since they can't seem to find them on their own.
 
So, they are clearly going to have to clear away many of the trees that can be seen here:
kKCitdz.jpg

As you can see here, once these trees are gone, you might be able to see all the way to the train trestle due to the clearing from the pipe project. Do you think they'll take advantage of this in some way?
sGBCWNA.jpg

Personally, I wouldn't be against them creating a new path past Loch Ness Monster's station through the ravine (underneath the trestle) with an incline up to the Ireland bridge. It could be done in a way to be easier for park patrons who can't navigate the very steep decline next to Loch Ness Monster. Maybe widen the Rhine River a bit, as well in this area.
They would be building over the pipeline easement area which efen putting a sidewalk over requires all kind of red tape and approval.
 
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