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CoasterAuditor said:
Does Voltron have worse capacity than Pantheon?
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Voltron was specifically built to be a people-eater, it can do 1,600 riders an hour. That's with a moving loading station, 7 trains of 16 riders, being built at a park that needed the capacity and are known for good operations. BGW could build a clone of it, but I find it hard to believe they'd keep it up to the same level of operations for very long.
 
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To me there’s a dependency about the next coaster for the park with Alpengeist. In 2027 it hits 30 years old, I love the coaster but at some point it may need retracking which may be the catalyst for the park to either retrack and prolong the life of the attraction or decide to remove and use that plot for the next coaster.
 
Celticdog said:
I received a similar survey, however mine focused heavily on animal encounters and flat rides. It did not go into anything about coasters. It did mention the Le Mans, but nothing about a water ride or dark ride. It think it really depends on how one populates the first few pages.
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Mine was the same as yours @Celticdog, I was only asked about the Le Mans ride, the spinning family ride, or the animal exhibit.
 
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tursiops said:
It's real. I got it tonight in my survey.
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I would probably hate losing an indoor attraction potential to this, but what if the simulator ride building was used as the station for one of these in ireland themed corkscrew hill storyline. the restaurant building in ireland could be used as the gift/photo booth and the covered area on the left could be the extended que?
 
Roughed out a few potential Mack Stryker themes, based mostly on where there would (roughly) be enough space for a coaster with dark ride sections.

OKTOBERFEST - Uhrwerk-Express: The Klöckner family is known all throughout Germany as the country's best clock-makers, using wood directly from their home in the Black Forest. But in the basement of their quaint home and workshop, youngest son and clock-making prodigy Johann Klöckner is thinking bigger. After years of idolizing the world's greatest inventors, Johann has finally built his masterpiece: a new form of transportation, powered and controlled precisely with the same mechanics his family has perfected through the years. Are you ready to be the first passengers aboard his Uhrwerk-Express?

This is by far the most fleshed-out idea I have (partially bc I'm planning on building it in PlanCo2 as a Gerstlauer Infinity Coaster)

AQUITAINE - Terre Voyage: Heavily Jules Verne-inspired coaster based on underground exploration, perhaps in the Vézère Valley cave system. If they're willing to compromise geographic accuracy, a Catacombs theme would be great too (can't imagine this is an issue for a park that put the Black Forest in Bavaria). I'm imagining a preshow room with individual row doors that open to a dimly lit cave station. Not a very fleshed-out idea, but an idea nonetheless.

KILLARNEY - Corkscrew Hill: Self-explanatory; if BGW wants to reserve the flying theater for a Europe in the Air return, they have a perfectly good name and theme for a Mack Stryker behind Castle O'Sullivan. I'd prefer they save CH for the theater, though.

SAN MARCO - Escape from Pompeii: Self-explanatory Part II; like CH, I'd much prefer to put the Stryker somewhere else and retain Pompeii as-is. But location and theme-wise, there's a lot you could do with a Stryker in San Marco if you can't keep Pompeii around for whatever reason. Imagine the Voltron bounce track as the room quakes and bursts into flames before launching into the sky. It would be pretty incredible.
 
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Irishman said:
I would probably hate losing an indoor attraction potential to this, but what if the simulator ride building was used as the station for one of these in ireland themed corkscrew hill storyline. the restaurant building in ireland could be used as the gift/photo booth and the covered area on the left could be the extended que?
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I've been a proponent for a Eurofighter or even the gerstlauer bobsled coaster Bobsled Coaster | rideentertainment.com (wildmouse but better) either crossing over Ireland from the rooftops or to the England parking lot with an easy leprechaun theme. There are many that are concerned with indoor hollow scream locations being reduced but I'd rather the park have well placed and well themed rides for the other 9 months. If the park's intent was to keep an indoor attraction at the sim building, I personally want re-rideability to be the primary goal. Watching a movie on a gimble doesn't get me engaged to re-ride. Either the display needs to be able to be updated each season for new content or they need to get engagement with interaction I'm in favor of the mack gameplay theater previously mentioned on the forums
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I've seen discussion about a coaster in this area before, but I feel like the Mack Stryker would be a good fit for Ireland. Starting in the Castle O'Sullivan building, and going out into the wood, (and maybe part of the parking lot) as shown in the image. With this, a dark ride could be added in the old BfE building.
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Might make a mockup of this coaster concept if I feel up to it.
 
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Yea I do not wanna see a coaster or those trees gone. Griffon is enough to see coming into the england lot. It's quiet there, peaceful, can hear whatever music they wanna play as im walking my way in.
 
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I'm about as "Pro-BGW Voltron" as it gets if it's as well done as Voltron is thematically and elements wise. That ride honestly seems wildly different as an attraction to me from Pantheon as a multi-launch coaster can get. Theming, shorter but more trains, vertical launch, longer, with more hangtime focused elements, more boost launches. I certainly would prefer the attraction be very similar to Voltron presentation wise and not "a coaster in a field" like Pantheon. If they wanted to do it "Pantheon style" or I guess "plain" then I have more reservations.

That said I'd take "BGW Ride to Happiness" over BGW Voltron. Or "BGW F.L.Y."

I will stress that take does not say "they should do NONE of the other items surveyed and should build it IMMEDIATELY" just that I am enthusiastic about the concept personally. I don't care when, I don't care what they do before it as long as it improves Busch Gardens. Of course I think we've all learned at this point, we probably don't need to get attached to coaster concepts at BGW until they file building permits.
 
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I've been a proponent for a Eurofighter or even the gerstlauer bobsled coaster Bobsled Coaster | rideentertainment.com (wildmouse but better) either crossing over Ireland from the rooftops or to the England parking lot with an easy leprechaun theme. There are many that are concerned with indoor hollow scream locations being reduced but I'd rather the park have well placed and well themed rides for the other 9 months. If the park's intent was to keep an indoor attraction at the sim building, I personally want re-rideability to be the primary goal. Watching a movie on a gimble doesn't get me engaged to re-ride. Either the display needs to be able to be updated each season for new content or they need to get engagement with interaction I'm in favor of the mack gameplay theater previously mentioned on the forums
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looking at this, this is what I envisioned the old right stuff building at six flags great adventure should be converted to

and on topic, I think this is what battle for elite should have been in the first place
 
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Zachary said:
Well, I didn't write an article about the surveys, but @Nicole did!

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Great article! No surprise though! I totally agree with your assessment. I think they all benefit the park, but Pantheon 2.0, while I'm sure amazing, is the least pressing. IMO.
 
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I don’t think calling the Stryker “Pantheon 2.0” is fair when it’s implied there would at least be some effort put into theming/anticipation in the beginning. The issue with Pantheon isn’t that it’s a huge looper, it’s that it feels like a Six Flags ride. I can’t see BGW making that same mistake twice. I want them to do other things first too, but a themed Stryker would excite me way more than Pantheon does in its current state
 
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I'm just not really sure how the park would market a Stryker. It's unlikely to be taller or faster than Pantheon, it's unlikely to have more inversions than Alpie, it's unlikely to be better themed than Wolf's Revenge or Verbolten... Maybe it can have a steeper drop than Pantheon, but we're talking about a park that already has one vertical and one beyond vertical drop.

I understand that the ride experience would be different (and almost certainly great), but another sit-down, multi-launch (probably swing-launch), multi-inverting coaster at BGW when the most recent thrill coaster was another sit-down, swing-launch, multi-inverting coaster just feels... very wrong. Surely we can do better—something that isn't just unique in the park but unique in the regional market?

If Mack is on the table, an extreme spinner has to be a better option, right? Something focused on REALLY strong airtime (like an RMC but not necessarily an RMC exactly) also seems like a good play. Apollo gives the floater, but we don't have a crazy ejector-filled endurance test of a coaster in Williamsburg. And then, of course, I think a flying coaster would be fire too—totally unique in the market after this year. Drachen Flier anyone...?
 
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Zachary said:
I'm just not really sure how the park would market a Stryker. It's unlikely to be taller or faster than Pantheon, it's unlikely to have more inversions than Alpie, it's unlikely to be better themed than Wolf's Revenge or Verbolten... Maybe it can have a steeper drop than Pantheon, but we're talking about a park that already has one vertical and one beyond vertical drop.

I understand that the ride experience would be different (and almost certainly great), but another sit-down, multi-launch (probably swing-launch), multi-inverting coaster at BGW when the most recent thrill coaster was another sit-down, swing-launch, multi-inverting coaster just feels... very wrong. Surely we can do better—something that isn't just unique in the park but unique in the regional market?

If Mack is on the table, an extreme spinner has to be a better option, right?

Something focused on REALLY strong airtime (like an RMC but not necessarily an RMC exactly) also seems like a good play.
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Extreme spinner sign me up
 
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I think the Stryker could provide the barrage of ejector airtime. Copperhead Strike basically tries to throw you to the moon on some of its hills and it sounds like Stardust Racers has a lot of airtime.
 
Zachary said:
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I think my two favorite concepts from the article are the Grimms Tales dark ride next to Big Bad Two and the addition on Northern European animal exhibits in Norway.

I know the survey didn’t mention a hamlet retheme, but I couldn’t resist throwing in my pet solution to the twin problems of a North American area in the park and a coaster based on Vikings. And the indigenous animals would be really cool.

Adding a classic dark ride themed to stories from the Brothers Grimm just seems like such an obvious choice. They could bring back Grimms Hollow stretching from DFH to BB2, creating a new mini-land, potentially with room for flats and animal exhibits. And the park really needs a dark ride much more than it needs another coaster right now.
 
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