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Skyrider said:
Not that I haven't read all forty-three pages of this thread, but I've seen mainly Saturday crowd level discussions. Anybody been on Fridays lately? Are they terrible? I usually do Saturdays or Sundays...

Oh and if any of you hooligans are in the park tomorrow night PM me - love to drop by for a couple minutes to meet some of ya'll.

Sky
I've been 4 Fridays, and 1 Sunday, and everytime was great. The longest wait was approximately 15-20 min, and all of the roller coasters were walk-on's. Fridays are the best time to go, but I'm sure the park will be more crowded this Friday and next Friday since it's getting closer to Halloween.
 
I'll be there tonight and tomorrow night. I hope with the nice weather that their will be a good amount of scares both in the houses and outside.
 
I got to visit Howl-O-Scream last weekend, so I guess I'll give a little review over what I thought, but I'll try to omit saying things that everyone else has said a million times. But let me start off by saying I really had a great time, budget cuts be damned. Seriously, as surprised as I was, I think I had one of the best times at HOS I've ever had. Yeah. Anyway...

Terror-tories
- Demon Street - While I went into this thinking Demon Street would be absolutely terrible, more of dance party than a haunted hamlet, I was very surprised to actually like the area. I can't believe I'm saying this, but yes, I actually thought Demon Street was fun. The Wild Reserve side entering the Terror-tory looked fantastic--day and night. The wooden spikes, the evil demons, the dragon, the flames all looked great and very evil. That said, the rest of the area was very lacking in decor during the day--a few banners/streamers, some new signs, and that was kind of it. My first glimpse of Demon Street was from atop Alpengeist at night, and it was really amazing, beautiful, spectacular, eerie--whatever you might want to call it. Paris was burning. That's really how it looked. The demon actors with the chainsaws were great, there was great use of fog to go with the flames and sparkling ashes, and Catacombs was well-blended into the theme of the area. It was rainy the day I went, so there was no Demon DJ. I actually thought this was great, because it made the giant flaming skeleton face look more like a really elaborate and EVIL decoration than a gathering point for a street party, which really lent to the feel of the area. If they could just make the whole area like the Wild Reserve side of it next year, I would really come to like the area.

- Ports of Skull - While I didn't get to spend a ton of time here, I thought the decor in this area was fantastic. The wooden facades and torture devices, along with the skeleton pirates and scraggly ropes everywhere really looked great, like how a pirate area at Busch Gardens should look. I also liked how they had the "funny pirates" making appearances throughout the day, even before 6 o'clock. The scare actors here had a lot of energy here (some of the lady pirates had the giant metal fans like in Ripper Row), and really did a good job. Some were actually hiding around and even under the Pompeii bridge, jumping to the level of people's feet, catching them totally off guard. This was a very well-done terror-tory. The only thing I would change would be to get rid of the mini-golf-type pirate statues, and put at least some decor in Festa. There is pretty much nothing piratey there except around the Buccaneer Galley and Cut Throat Cove.

- Ripper Row - Hands down my favorite terror-tory. No questions asked. This one literally had everything I think my perfect Busch Gardens would have in a haunted area. The sets, props, and facades were amazing, and immersed you into the area. The Globe Theatre's decorations looked great. The feel here was beyond words. The actors were great--the rippers were scary, but the old-London police men are what really made the area feel like they were searching for a killer, and that you were in danger. Everything about the feel of this area was top-notch.

- Vampire Point - Despite having really energetic scare actors here, this seemed to be the most lacking Terror-tory. There was nothing in the main village except a few vampire mannequins and some shredded cloth nailed to some two-by-fours on the windows. The more open part from Land of the Dragon's entrance to Oktoberfest's entrance, though looked really good. Igor the dead vampire (reduntant? :p) was there, the two building looked mildly misplaced, but still added to the immersion, and the Vampire Point Hotel look fantastic.
 
We got to the park around 8pm. Their is a big line already getting into to the parking lot. We just turned around and went back to our hotel.

We will be their super early tomorrow morning.
 
We just got back - I honestly think it looked worse from the outside. Never had to wait longer than 20 minutes for anything...

TR will be written shortly and will hopefully be up a little after 12...it's that big, so get your reading glasses out...

Sky
 
A quick rundown of my HOS trip last Saturday. I was in a group of 13. We only did about 4 of the 6 houses. We all had a good time.

Houses
Catacombs - I enjoyed Catacombs this year. It had a good amount of scareactors and scares thoughout. IMO, they really steped up this year compared to the last 2 years.

Root of All Evil - A big improvement from last year. It had some good scares. One thing I don't get is
the alien baby at the end. I thought that was just unnecessary. They should of just stuck with creepy plants and gardners.

Bitten - It was alright for me. Their wasn't that many scares to me. I saw alot of coffins that could have been used for some good scares but only one was used.

Deadline - I always enjoyed Deadline. For some reason though, I didn't think it was as good as last year. I guess just didn't feel as scary as it had been in the past.

Cut Throat Cove - We heard from some other guests that it was not scary at all and more of a kiddie attraction. We decided to skip it.

13 - We skipped it as well. We got to 13 close 10pm. Their was a huge line there. We heard it was a 2 hour wait. We decided to leave at that point and went on Griffin.


Terror-tories
Port of Skulls - This was my least favorite terror-tory. It was too kid friendly in my opinion. I only saw 3 pirates walking around. They weren't even scary. They would just quitely go "aaarrrgghhh" at guests walking by them.

Vampire Point - Not many scareactors in this one either. I only saw about 2 vampires on the pathways. However, I love the hotel. It looked fantastic. I didn't see Count Vlad though. I was a little disappointed in that. :-/

Demon Street - When I first saw the "flaming flag" decorations and heard about the DJ, I was terrified on how big a disaster this could end up being. Boy was I wrong. The fire effects of "Paris burning" was awesome. It was just great visual effect. DJ Demon was pretty cool. Everybody seemed to enjoy him. They had about 6 demons running around scaring people. A couple of more demons would of have been nice.

Rippers Row - I didn't get a chance to experience it til I left the park. On our way out, we ran into headless woman. Then their was a murder scene involving 2 women. It was funny watching the cops and I think it was the mayor trying to figure out what had happened. While this was going on, I saw the ripper sneaking around behind us trying to avoid the cops lol. I did see the lady in the purple dressing yelling "GOOD NIGHT" in an evil voice to people leaving the park. I told her "good night" and she replied in a sweet voice "good night". lol. I wish I could of been their earlier to see more murder scenes.

I enjoyed HOS much more than I did last year. My only complaint is that their was no scareactors out in non-terror-tories. Places like New France, Scotland and the wildlife reserve had nobody jumping out at people. It was just spooky decorations. I miss the werewolves on the wildlife reserve pathway. I always enjoyed watching them scare people.
 
I think the main problem with the terror-tories is it is SEVERLY understaffed. When you make an entire hamlet a "scare zone" you have to get all ground covered. We didn't see anyone in Vampire point, three pirates in POS, four or five demons in Demon Street, and five or so people in Ripper Row. They really have a problem with the staffing. Hope it is fixed next year if they return! :)
 
Hoopla said:
I think the main problem with the terror-tories is it is SEVERLY understaffed. When you make an entire hamlet a "scare zone" you have to get all ground covered.

Keep in mind these are NOT scare zones. They are Terror-tories and rely on the intense theming not scare actors. Sadly, the theming is not as intense as it should be and people look at the scare actors and just think scare zone. Its a sad concept that never really got to be done because a lack of money.
 
I agree that more scareactors are needed in each terror-tory. PR, I understand what you are saying with the theming but 2 or 3 scareactors in each terror-tory isn't going to make it work imo.
 
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The whole point of a scare zone, "Terror-tory", whatever PR term a park uses, is to be scary. Each area should create a mood, but there should be roaming actors that scare. No point in calling it a "terror"tory if it doesn't really strike terror in you is it?

I will say the areas are definitely short staffed though, but the staffing that is there does a pretty fantastic job. I walked through all the areas last Saturday and got some pretty good scares in all of the areas sans England, but I'll let that pass since the murders were pretty well done.

There needs to be that perfect balance of atmosphere to keep you on edge and scares to truly make the experience terrifying.
 
Lets go back in time where Zachary told us what Terror-tories were.

They are whole hamlets they are entirely changed to a different and complex theme that immerses you into another world. As per Zach's words earlier, if we see scare actors the concept has failed.

By no means should a Terror-tory have scare actors. Yes it should have street performers that help immerse you in the theme, but should they really be aimed at only stalking and scaring guests. No by all means. They should perform short repetitive and slightly altered sketches that strike some fear in you.

A perfect example of this is the first day of Howl-o-Scream in England. The actors performed to the definition I just gave to the tee almost. It was like they were performing a loosely written script. They were performing to a point where they didn't rely on typical scare tactics to scare you. They kidnapped faux guests to scare you and make you feel uneasy and feel the terror instead of coming directly for you. This is what made Ripper Row so fantastic and perfect. Over the event I noticed this type of performing has greatly reduced to just basic chase and scare tactics.

I want performers immersing me into a heavily themed environment not chasing and scaring like every other place does. This is what a Terror-tory should be.

Terror-tory is not a name marketing picked out just to make it seem like they had something new going on, it was a concept and idea that Entertainment formed that was much more complex and completely different than a scare zone. Yes they are similar but Terror-tories are meant to be more complex and complete, where as scare zones are small, simple, and basic.
 
Party Rocker is completely and 100% correct. The Terror-tory concept was never given a chance to succeed. Would they have been a success after the extremely scaled back execution? Maybe not, but I still wish the park had at least tried. I had faith in the concept. A lot in fact.

I'm still pondering whether or not to write up something more all-encompassing. We shall see.
 
Ports of Skull is very popular.

Demon Street has guests dancing and enjoying themselves.

Vampire Point has great scare spots.

Ripper's Row is amazing.

SUCCESS!
 
Yes Cody, there is some success, but the original concept has failed. It was never implemented. Unfortunately we may never see what a true Terror-tory should be.

Atlantis, how can you say something sucks if you've never experienced it? They haven't even pulled out a Terror-tory at all this year so you can't just say the idea sucks. In fact, the idea is amazing. The way they scaled it down dramatically on the level of scare zones sucks.
 
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Cody said:
Ports of Skull is very popular.

Demon Street has guests dancing and enjoying themselves.

Vampire Point has great scare spots.

Ripper's Row is amazing.

SUCCESS!

Lol. If you see scantily decorated as "SUCCESS" then I am truly sorry.


Party Rocker said:
Yes Cody, there is some success, but the original concept has failed. It was never implemented. Unfortunately we may never see what a true Terror-tory should be.

Atlantis, how can you say something sucks if you've never experienced it? They haven't even pulled out a Terror-tory at all this year so you can't just say the idea sucks. In fact, the idea is amazing. The way they scaled it down dramatically on the level of scare zones sucks.

I have not experienced it? I know you live in a far off Universe but wow.
 
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