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Attraction Lineup​

Haunted Houses​

  1. Clown Town [New] (Festhaus Parking Lot)
  2. Monster Manor [New] (Germany Event Pavilion)
  3. Lost Mines: Bloodstone [Updated] (Beneath Escape from Pompeii)
  4. Death Water Bayou: Morte [Updated] (Behind Roman Rapids)
  5. KILLarney DIEner: Condemned [Updated] (Killarney Simulator Building)

Terror-Tories​

  1. The Bash [New] (Aquitaine)
  2. Stalker Street [New] (New France)
  3. Fest-Evil [Returning] (Festa Italia)
  4. Gorgon Gardens [Returning] (Da Vinci's Garden of Inventions)
  5. Scary Tale Road [Returning] (Rhinefield)
  6. Ripper Row [Returning] (Banbury Cross)

Shows​

  1. Fiends: The FREAKquel [New] (Abbey Stone Theatre)
  2. Monster Stomp on Ripper Row [Returning] (Globe Theatre)
  3. Phantoms of the Festhaus [Returning] (Das Festhaus)
  4. Skeletones [Returning] (Il Teatro di San Marco)

Official Website​

 
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Ok, I apologize in advance for the long windedness of this post, and if it belongs elsewhere please move it.

But without saying "money" what would be something that improves HOS? Is there too many houses? Too big of an event? Is there a need to realign expectations?

The reason I ask to not say "money" is because that's always the easy answer to these questions to tell them to spend more money, so I guess I'm more curious on what people feels could improve the experience with what they have. IMO it really feels like BGT is the "premier" HOS event of the chain while BGW has the "premier" Wine & Food as well as Christmastown, despite those two events having their own issue.

I feel like BGW's HOS event needs a big reimagining of what it could/should look like. Now, I wouldn't go as far as "take a year off" to reignite the event. But it clearly needs something. But I think it would be great to really take the whole event and turn it back with the haunt fitting the actual theme of the various parts of the park. I feel like doing so can be a really interesting look into something that really causes creatives to work hard. I feel like a lot of complaints from this event over the years is "recycled", "second hand", and "barely changed but presented as new".

I'm not a haunt person so I'm going to do the best I can here but I'll put the area, my concept, and just a general maze idea:
Ireland - "Night of the Banshee". The story is come October every year the Banshee comes out at night, turning once beloved fairies, leprechauns, and other mythical beings turn evil. The idea is in the day, all those beings can be friendly for kids, then at dusk there's a show of the "King Banshee" coming out and the beings turn evil. In the maze with this Scarezone, the good "Queen Fairy" who has the power to save all the mythical beings with the power of the sun.

France - "Indulgence of Marie Antionette". I would dive a little into the history of France and turn this into a historical scare of Marie Antionette has returned from the dead to punish all of those who have forsaken her call of indulgence. Instead of a maze here I feel like it would be better to do a show in the theater.

New France - "Breach in the Wall". Taking from the story of InvadR this one would be a good kinda pull on that lore of "what if the Vikings won" story. This would be a great area for on path scare actors. Do a maze here themed to having to break into the captains quarters of the Viking ship just off shore.

Oktoberfest - "Beasts of the Black Forest". Simple idea here is the Black Forest has taken over the Oktoberfest grounds with beasts, creatures, and evil trees, all lead by King or the forest Ludvig. Outside of Festhaus each night at sundown have a fun show of Ludvig coming out from the ruins of his Kastle (DarKoaster) to take over the festival. Even name a maze here after the scarezone name and basically fit in the stories of the Grimm Brothers into this, except the twist is at the end what you thought would save Oktoberfest, you are running for your life.

Italy area outside of Festa Italia - "Devices of Leonardo DeScarci". Story here would be while Da Vinci creates some amazing contraptions, one night he broke, decided to build his weapons of war, and tried to take over Italy. The scare actors would be Roman soldiers wearing mind control devices designed by Da Vinci himself. And the maze involves the story of Da Vinci testing a persons ability to survive Dante's 7 levels of hell.

Festa Italia - "Kahn's Invasion". Marco Polo thought he was coming back to Italy a champion, but instead Ganges Kahn followed him to invade Italy to make it part of his empire. The main maze here would be in the trench of Roman Rapids and be "Escape to the Catacombs". This is a twist where normally you would want to escape them, but instead here you are running from Kahns army to the catacombs, but is it as safe as you think when the spirits are stirring?
I think this would be an AMAZING concept, and it would probably bring me back to HOS for once. Especially if they could theme it to the point where the zones almost melt into each other and have a very cohesive feel. If they could pull that off, the immersion could be some of the best in a theme park.

Make it a hard ticket event, just like Tampa.

The problem all the parks have when they include the Halloween event with the day ticket is they have to balance "family" and "scary" no matter how many warnings they give. There should be no "no boo" necklaces or anything else like that-- don't want to be scared, have PTSD, don't like jump scares?-- STAY THE FUCK HOME. It's impossible to please anyone when your streetmosphere people have to tone down and take pictures with young kids. Commit to scary-- hard ticket to pay for the extra personnel (Security and scare actors).

My impression is both Kings Dominion and Busch WANT to go to hard ticket Halloween, but each is waiting for the other to announce it first. As long as one offers it "free with regular admission" they are both stuck with these events that try to be all things to all people (unsuccessfully) and end up with lots of "problem crowds" due to cheap ticket prices.
I agree 100%, and the first time I went to a haunted attraction at a theme park, I couldn't believe people were PUSHING STROLLERS THROUGH THE MAZES. It felt like the actors had to scale back in the attempt of not scaring the little ones in the strollers.
 
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But without saying "money" what would be something that improves HOS? Is there too many houses? Too big of an event? Is there a need to realign expectations?

There are too few houses, the event in general is undersized, and it's both the most expensive and the worst amusement park haunt event in the region right now.

Unless you want to blame managerial incompetence or creative ineptitude, you're left at money in my opinion. Money is at the root of why the houses are horrible, why the event doesn't get the dedicated, indoor facilities they need, why understaffing is a constant plague, why the scarezones don't have sets and only have the absolute bare minimum of atmospherics, etc.

To be clear, I do think there is some managerial ineptitude (allocating time, money, and effort to make Fiends this year was INSANELY STUPID) and a large degree of creative ineptitude (Monster Manor is the single most creatively bankrupt product I've ever seen come out of Busch Gardens Williamsburg's Howl-O-Scream quite literally ever), but I do believe that money is very much the event's largest problem. It prints profit like crazy and sees next to zero reinvestment.

My expectations are not remotely unrealistic either. Hershey just began their event a couple years ago. It's DRAMATICALLY better than BGW's. Dorney sees FAR less attendance than BGW yet their event blows BGW's out of the water. KD has a tiny fraction of the yearly event nights that BGW's HOS features to earn back their house investments, yet KD spends dramatically more. Even Six Flags America, a park with, presumably, a $2000 total budget to work with per season, manages to deliver an event that performs better than BGW's right now. Oh, and Monster Manor is far worse than a SFA house design-wise too.

BGW HOS has been running on fumes from years gone by for a while, but at this point, it's hardly running at all. It's just more of private equity doing what they do best—vampirically sucking every drop of value they can out of a product until it's a husk of its former self. Unfortunately for BGW, they have competition—competition that is a whole hell of a lot better than they are.
 
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Make it a hard ticket event, just like Tampa.

The problem all the parks have when they include the Halloween event with the day ticket is they have to balance "family" and "scary" no matter how many warnings they give. There should be no "no boo" necklaces or anything else like that-- don't want to be scared, have PTSD, don't like jump scares?-- STAY THE FUCK HOME. It's impossible to please anyone when your streetmosphere people have to tone down and take pictures with young kids. Commit to scary-- hard ticket to pay for the extra personnel (Security and scare actors).

My impression is both Kings Dominion and Busch WANT to go to hard ticket Halloween, but each is waiting for the other to announce it first. As long as one offers it "free with regular admission" they are both stuck with these events that try to be all things to all people (unsuccessfully) and end up with lots of "problem crowds" due to cheap ticket prices.
I'm a parent of two young kids and even I agree with this. Great suggestions, GAcoaster.
 
There are too few houses, the event in general is undersized, and it's both the most expensive and the worst amusement park haunt event in the region right now.

Unless you want to blame managerial incompetence or creative ineptitude, you're left at money in my opinion. Money is at the root of why the houses are horrible, why the event doesn't get the dedicated, indoor facilities they need, why understaffing is a constant plague, why the scarezones doesn't have sets and only have the absolute bare minimum of atmospherics, etc.

To be clear, I do think there is some managerial ineptitude (allocating time, money, and effort to make Fiends this year was INSANELY STUPID) and a large degree of creative ineptitude (Monster Manor is the single most creatively bankrupt product I've ever seen come out of Busch Gardens Williamsburg's Howl-O-Scream quite literally ever), but I do believe that money is very much the event's largest problem. It prints money like crazy and sees next to zero reinvestment.

The event has been running on fumes from years gone by for a while, but at this point, it's hardly running at all. It's just more of private equity just doing what they do best—vampirically sucking every drop of value they can out of a product until it's a husk of its former self. Unfortunately for BGW, they have competition—competition that is a whole hell of a lot better than they are.
United Parks should really have a "Seasonal Event Department" that spends the whole year planning, designing and executing Halloween and Christmas events. Create unique, immersive concepts that can be rolled out in any of their parks. Move things from park to park to keep it fresh. They do GREAT shows with Fiends and Monster Stomp-- cycle the scripts between all the HOS events so it's never the same thing two years in a row. Of course that takes money and commitment which they don't want to do...
 
Make it a hard ticket event, just like Tampa.

The problem all the parks have when they include the Halloween event with the day ticket is they have to balance "family" and "scary" no matter how many warnings they give. There should be no "no boo" necklaces or anything else like that-- don't want to be scared, have PTSD, don't like jump scares?-- STAY THE FUCK HOME. It's impossible to please anyone when your streetmosphere people have to tone down and take pictures with young kids. Commit to scary-- hard ticket to pay for the extra personnel (Security and scare actors).

My impression is both Kings Dominion and Busch WANT to go to hard ticket Halloween, but each is waiting for the other to announce it first. As long as one offers it "free with regular admission" they are both stuck with these events that try to be all things to all people (unsuccessfully) and end up with lots of "problem crowds" due to cheap ticket prices.

For the record KD tried it as a separate ticket event last year my understanding is it bombed and that was why it's back as a single event.
 
United Parks should really have a "Seasonal Event Department" that spends the whole year planning, designing and executing Halloween and Christmas events.

Agreed. I believe the park-level entertainment departments never should have been decimated like they were, but, given that decision was made and given that rebuilding park-level teams is definitely never going to happen within the current United Parks structure, there should, at an absolute minimum, be a centralized team of subject-matter experts organizing, planning, and designing attractions for these now chainwide events at the corporate level.

The talent does exist within the corporation. Busch Gardens Tampa produces some of the absolute best new houses and what I consider to be the absolute best scarezones in the entire industry. Like you said @GAcoaster, BGW has a long history of knowing exactly what to do with Halloween (and Christmas) stage entertainment. Bringing some of this talent together and allowing the team to produce products for the chain should, on average, increase quality and decrease the funding required to create competitive special event products.

For the record KD tried it as a separate ticket event last year my understanding is it bombed and that was why it's back as a single event.

We don't know if it bombed, but we can certainly conclude that KD made more money with their ticket-included event than by going with a separate ticket. That's almost certainly the result of a massive drop in F&B profits if I had to guess—the real cash cow for both of VA's amusement park Halloween events.
 
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BGW HOS has been running on fumes from years gone by for a while, but at this point, it's hardly running at all. It's just more of private equity just doing what they do best—vampirically sucking every drop of value they can out of a product until it's a husk of its former self. Unfortunately for BGW, they have competition—competition that is a whole hell of a lot better than they are.
Worst HOS EVER!
 
For the record KD tried it as a separate ticket event last year my understanding is it bombed and that was why it's back as a single event.
Because people could go to BGW where it was included. If both parks went hard ticket it would hurt at first, but get better. Give passholders one free visit or discounted tickets. There will always be resistance at first since it "always has been included" but when people experience the higher quality it will make them come around. They just can't offer the same thing they have for an upcharge-- it has to be vastly better.
 
I know I'm in the minority here, but I skip the houses. I go for the shows and general decorations. I think BG started too soon and should have waited another 2 weeks to have a properly set-up event. I would skip HOS if it was a separate ticketed event, unless that ticket went into effect at say 4pm. I could then enjoy the shows during the day and skip the nighttime chaos. BG needs to initiate a chaperone policy.
 
Start Howl-O-Scream in august just like HHN and end it sooner around Halloween. Stop bleeding the stupid event into Christmas Town. I don't know if that helps at all but you got the ENTIRE summer/spring to start building houses and coming up with stuff. I fail to see how its a money issue when they're building rides left and right all over. It literally looks like monster manor was quickly just thrown together, and even Clown Town too from the outside. Maybe they're short handed on the builders, or whoever youd call the people who decorate for CT and HOS.

I wouldn't mind just seeing more fog, creepier music, more lighting in trees. Anyone remember when the bridge heading from Pompeii toward Italy did the loud "it's alive!" Soundclip? The bridge was rattling, and creaking and foggy. That used to be creepy as hell. Just bring some stuff like that back and id honestly enjoy walking around the park more than dealing with the houses.
 
I know I'm in the minority here, but I skip the houses. I go for the shows and general decorations.
I'm definitely in the minority but I skip Howl-o-Scream entirely. I can't stand the atmosphere the guests create. I've tried so many times to have a good time at Howl-o-Scream and that on top of the lackluster event itself, I'll pass.

It's my favorite time to visit Busch Gardens because of the beautiful Fall weather, kids in school and still, the majority the attractions are running. But unfortunately for me, by 4pm or 5pm I'm out the door to avoid Howl-o-Scream.

Personally, I wish I could see BGW just one time in the Fall without skulls and DJs set up everywhere.
 
Monster Manor on Saturday was pretty disappointing. While it is a long maze with lots of hallways and rooms, many were empty on Saturday. So if they can appropriately staff it, I think it will have some potential to be good. It is also a maze that you need to wait to do until its dark outside. Overall, maze staffing in all the mazes was on the low side with lots of empty rooms. Hopefully this gets better as the season goes on.

Fiends, on the other hand, was incredible. While I never saw the original version, this was spectacular. The casting of Dr. Freakenstein and Igor was spot on and they are hysterical. Definitely an adult show with numerous adult jokes and references but also filled with plenty of pop culture references. As far as I'm concerned, this show is a home run and audience seemed to really love it.
 
I think a separate, ticketed event would fix a LOT of budget / security problems. Even something with tickets prices starting cheaper at first ($20 for members, $40 for non-members). This would create a balance with attendance versus profit. However, it would take some initial investment (to justify the admittance cost) and some expected losses for the first few years (until word gets out the event is "worth the added cost"). It would also take BGW moving away from the "membership" model.
 
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