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Ha, nah, it's far from just you.

My recommended approach is always to use the quote button to "collect" everything you want to respond to as you're reading the thread and then, when you reach the end, "Insert Quotes" to address it all at once. Not sure how widespread that functionality is vs the normal reply button.
 
Ha, nah, it's far from just you.

My recommended approach is always to use the quote button to "collect" everything you want to respond to as you're reading the thread and then, when you reach the end, "Insert Quotes" to address it all at once. Not sure how widespread that functionality is vs the normal reply button.
Tbh I didn’t know this feature always a thing soooo
 
Ha, nah, it's far from just you.

My recommended approach is always to use the quote button to "collect" everything you want to respond to as you're reading the thread and then, when you reach the end, "Insert Quotes" to address it all at once. Not sure how widespread that functionality is vs the normal reply button.
It was just odd.... I kinda felt bad that I ended up doing that due to poor planning on my part and literally just a few mins later this post arrived.... I fully understand the awkwardness of multiple posts in a row and I hate when I end up doing it.

Honestly, the one thing that kind of bugs me more though is when people reply to someone and don't quote at all.... Sometimes a general reply is fitting but there are times I've had to try to figure out exactly who a reply is directed at to understand the meaning of the post/comment.
 
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Honestly, the one thing that kind of bugs me more though is when people reply to someone and don't quote at all.... Sometimes a general reply is fitting but there are times I've had to try to figure out exactly who a reply is directed at to understand the meaning of the post/comment.

It's even worse when the person doesn't quote and their post is starting a new page. Then you arrive on that page and you're totally lost...

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In all seriousness though, yeah, I get what you mean. I feel like erroring on the side of quoting more is probably almost always right.
 
It's even worse when the person doesn't quote and their post is starting a new page. Then you arrive on that page and you're totally lost...

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In all seriousness though, yeah, I get what you mean. I feel like erroring on the side of quoting more is probably almost always right.
Hahaha, I didn't even realize that I was calling you out. I guess it really isn't a big deal in low volume threads but the ones that get really active can really make you look like an ass or an angel based solely on who the reader assumes you were replying to 😂
 
One point of clarification, while you should use the Quote and Reply features, if you are responding to an older post, as mentioned earlier in this thread, we prefer that you NOT quote a post, if it is directly above your response (https://parkfans.net/threads/forum-etiquette.4573/post-181219).

1. When you are replying to the last post, we prefer that you NOT quote the author. So, a comment should be assumed to be in response to the previous post. By extension, given how quickly conversation flows, if you do post without quotes, please double check to verify that your comments ended up immediately after the statements you meant to address. I have had to add quotes to posts, because someone has jumped in, while I was still writing.

2. When you are replying to a post earlier in a thread, please use the Reply or Quote features. You are also encouraged to delete unrelated content from the quotes.
 
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I con't think of a better place to put this but here we go:

I've always viewed forums as a great place to have conversation. What people post will mostly always be their opinion. And that's really cool. (And what I'm about to say isn't self contained to this board).

But I've noticed a huge increase in the "I'm right, you're wrong" type posting going on and it's becoming quite grating. I can understand when it's a factual thing that's being discussed, but I've noticed a ton of opinion based posts are getting replies to say they are wrong. And honestly, it's becoming quite grating to log in and just constantly being told your wrong on opinions.

Now, I'll add I'm not innocent in this. But, and I've expressed this to @Nicole and @Zachary , but it's made this overall community feel far less welcoming to me.

And it makes me sad. I remember moving to RVA back as InvadR was getting done and how awesome this community was. I was a little lost missing out on my theme park conversations. But I'm starting to feel like I don't need it because of the rather negative tone so much has taken on. Theme pars and theme park conversations should be an escape for us. An escape from having to deal with the bad stuff in our lives. At least that's what I use it for. I got stuff I deal with, feelings I deal with, that make coming to something like this and enjoyment for me.

So coming around here and seeing so much negativity that should bring more enjoyment to many means that this is an escape. So I brought it into here to comment that part of forum etiquette, to me, is just the common kindness to another person on the internet to understand that opinions on something like a park don't have rights and wrongs.

That's all. That's my "TED talk".
 
I con't think of a better place to put this but here we go:

I've always viewed forums as a great place to have conversation. What people post will mostly always be their opinion. And that's really cool. (And what I'm about to say isn't self contained to this board).

But I've noticed a huge increase in the "I'm right, you're wrong" type posting going on and it's becoming quite grating. I can understand when it's a factual thing that's being discussed, but I've noticed a ton of opinion based posts are getting replies to say they are wrong. And honestly, it's becoming quite grating to log in and just constantly being told your wrong on opinions.

Now, I'll add I'm not innocent in this. But, and I've expressed this to @Nicole and @Zachary , but it's made this overall community feel far less welcoming to me.

And it makes me sad. I remember moving to RVA back as InvadR was getting done and how awesome this community was. I was a little lost missing out on my theme park conversations. But I'm starting to feel like I don't need it because of the rather negative tone so much has taken on. Theme pars and theme park conversations should be an escape for us. An escape from having to deal with the bad stuff in our lives. At least that's what I use it for. I got stuff I deal with, feelings I deal with, that make coming to something like this and enjoyment for me.

So coming around here and seeing so much negativity that should bring more enjoyment to many means that this is an escape. So I brought it into here to comment that part of forum etiquette, to me, is just the common kindness to another person on the internet to understand that opinions on something like a park don't have rights and wrongs.

That's all. That's my "TED talk".
Sadly it's not just here, but this is as you know the new normal for interactions. Debating is not a thing any longer.
 
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I con't think of a better place to put this but here we go:

I've always viewed forums as a great place to have conversation. What people post will mostly always be their opinion. And that's really cool. (And what I'm about to say isn't self contained to this board).

But I've noticed a huge increase in the "I'm right, you're wrong" type posting going on and it's becoming quite grating. I can understand when it's a factual thing that's being discussed, but I've noticed a ton of opinion based posts are getting replies to say they are wrong. And honestly, it's becoming quite grating to log in and just constantly being told your wrong on opinions.

Now, I'll add I'm not innocent in this. But, and I've expressed this to @Nicole and @Zachary , but it's made this overall community feel far less welcoming to me.

And it makes me sad. I remember moving to RVA back as InvadR was getting done and how awesome this community was. I was a little lost missing out on my theme park conversations. But I'm starting to feel like I don't need it because of the rather negative tone so much has taken on. Theme pars and theme park conversations should be an escape for us. An escape from having to deal with the bad stuff in our lives. At least that's what I use it for. I got stuff I deal with, feelings I deal with, that make coming to something like this and enjoyment for me.

So coming around here and seeing so much negativity that should bring more enjoyment to many means that this is an escape. So I brought it into here to comment that part of forum etiquette, to me, is just the common kindness to another person on the internet to understand that opinions on something like a park don't have rights and wrongs.

That's all. That's my "TED talk".
I agree.... but at the same time I feel like this may be directed at me because you missed what I was relaying and I'm sure that others can possibly be thinking the same exact thing. What people interpret from another's words isn't always what's meant to be relayed and, while this post can stand on it's own, it's clearly rooted in something that isn't actually being resolved by making a statement in an unrelated thread. Honestly, I haven't really noticed much, if any, of what you're indicating here with the exception of the Wildcat good vs bad thread a week or so ago.

If I'm guilty of something, I want to know..... This post kind of has the opposite effect on me because now I feel like I need to walk on eggshells or something. If this was related to something I said, please let me know. I'd much rather see the issue taken care of than see a bunch of people feel like they are being called out when maybe they aren't. This post kind of makes me feel less welcomed than if someone were to tell me I'm an idiot and I'm wrong.
 
I am not singling out anyone poster and I’ve not been involved all that deep in every aspect of every conversation that makes me feel this way.
 
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I think it is a problem I have seen across the Forum. We try to create rules and structures to discourage aggressive arguments, but some posters appear to prefer them. I thought we had improved the overall tenor of this forum, but perhaps things are backsliding.
 
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A few tweaks have been made to the etiquette guidelines above in light of a handful of recent complaints. The real reason for this post though is to address one in particular: Useless nonsense.

Long ago there was a rule that disallowed "useless nonsense." Naturally, this was a problem as it constructed an environment where users didn't know what was or wasn't acceptable. It was a bad rule, but it wasn't without purpose.

The issue behind that old, long gone rule has become a common point of frustration for a number of people who have messaged or spoken to the admins recently.

There have been an increasing number of posts that lack real substance. Posts that serve only to thank or agree with someone are often better skipped in favor of a simple press of the Thanks button. Posts that serve only to contribute a one-liner quickly pile up to make a thread that consists of a hundred of them. This can clog up discussions and, worse, discourage people from reading at all.

This forum has been specifically, visually designed to put a large spotlight on the words of our users (compare this to this or this). We cast this spotlight on our user's content by separating each user's posts by a lot of screen real estate dedicated to that user. While each post is part of a larger thread, each post is also designed to stand alone as a small blog entry of sorts.

Furthermore, through the "Unread Posts" feature, we actually notify all forum users when anyone makes a post. When you post, you're not just commenting on a piece of content like you would be on Facebook or YouTube—you're writing your own small piece of the site. Each and every member will then be notified of that contribution and encouraged to check it out. This is not the standard operating procedure on most fora out there.

Because the forum is designed to place so much weight on each post, when a post doesn't contribute anything substantive to the discussion, it hurts.

All I'm asking here is that before you hit "Post Reply," ask this: If someone came to ParkFans.net, clicked on the "Unread Posts" link, entered the top thread in the listing, and found your post as the only new post since their last visit, would they feel that their time was well spent? If the answer is no, you should try to add some additional substance to your post.

Say that you want to make a joke about something relevant to a forum discussion. By all means, do it—I want to read it! That said, follow that up with something that contributes to the larger conversation. Sometimes that'll be contributing to a topic a few posts up from the one you were originally going to reply to. Sometimes that will be introducing a new thought or idea. Sometimes it can just be as small as posing a new question to drive conversation forward.

Note that not once have I suggested that people post less or that they refrain from jokes or the like. In fact, the wide range of personalities on the forum are one of our best assets and I don't want to suggest anything that will tone those down. Keep the jokes, puns, references, etc coming—I enjoy them too—just don't let them rule the conversation.

Anyway, anyone who made it this far, thanks for reading and thanks for caring!


tl;dr: Ask yourself if your post is worth people going out of their way to read. If not, add content, use the Thanks button, PM the user, etc.

In light of some patterns I am seeing, I wanted to highlight this post again. We have reaction buttons for a reason. Unless you are contributing something of substance, please don’t clutter up the threads and people’s Unreads.
 
It was decided by the Advisory Panel that the old "Forum Etiquette" section of the forum rules should be removed as they were not enforced standards but rather encouraged guidelines of conversation.

I firmly believe that new users (especially those unfamiliar with internet fora) who are motivated to become great contributors need a place to familiarize themselves with what is expected of them. That is what this thread will be.

For now, the unofficial forum etiquette guidelines below are largely based on what was previously featured on the forum rules page (put together by Nicole, Gavin, Shane, and I). I will be using that joint effort as a base to build off of as I evolve this collection of recommendations as needs arise and dissipate in the future.




Unofficial Forum Etiquette Guidelines

Posting in a Thread

— Content & Tone
  • Keep posts relevant to the thread topic
  • Ensure your post makes a substantive contribution to discussion [Additional Thoughts]
  • Maintain civility—pleasantness wins more debates than rudeness [Additional Thoughts]
  • Try not to post the same content in multiple threads
  • Provide links and short descriptions, when citing other sites and/or sources. [Additional Thoughts]
— Formatting & Presentation
  • Use proper capitalization, spelling, punctuation, and grammar
  • Include descriptive text captions with all external links and file attachments
  • Cut down quoted text to exclude anything irrelevant to your post
Creating a Thread
  • Search the forum for an existing applicable conversation before creating a new thread
  • Post new threads in the appropriate discussion category
Modifying Your Profile
  • Keep your user signatures small and subtle
  • Do not use animated profile images
  • Avoid potentially offensive material in your username, signature, and profile image



Discussion of these (and possible future) guidelines is encouraged below. I have had a hand in managing this forum for seven years now, but I am in no way an communication expert. Ultimately it is up to the community—not me—to determine what is expected of its members.

I wanted to bump this post, because increasingly I am seeing posts that fail to comply with these requests.

Specifically, I want to highlight two of the sections:

1. Formatting and presentation. More and more posts seem to use random or no capitalization, spelling, punctuation, or grammar. Of particular concern, sentences require periods. Additionally, ellipses (…) cannot substitute for periods, commas, etc.

2. Creating a thread. There recently has been a proliferation of threads being created that either pose singular, pointless questions, or duplicate conversations already being had elsewhere. I am spending far too much time moving posts to the proper threads or sub-fora. Please take a minute to look, before stating a “new” discussion.
 
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1. Formatting and presentation. More and more posts seem to use random or no capitalization, spelling, punctuation, or grammar. Of particular concern, sentences require periods. Additionally, ellipses (…) cannot substitute for periods, commas, etc.
I really encourage everyone learn the emdash and its uses—after the comma and period, it's by far the my most useful punctuation mark. It's also phenomenally versatile, and more likely to be editorially "correct" compared to ellipses.

Then again, perhaps growing up in the age of the internet and texting has made me expect less of most writing. Either that or grading the crimes against humanity that are lab reports written by Chemical Engineers. 😂
 
I really encourage everyone learn the emdash and its uses—after the comma and period, it's by far the my most useful punctuation mark. It's also phenomenally versatile, and more likely to be editorially "correct" compared to ellipses.

Fucking love em dashes! Hold ALT while typing 0151 on your number pad—I promise it will become automatic before too long—and it will change your life.
 
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Since I am now being criticized for doing my job, I feel that it is time to raise what has become an increasing problem. More and more people are derailing threads with completely unrelated discussions. In addition, we have a few members who seem to like to like to create new threads for everything they have to say. As a result, I spend entirely too much of my time hunting down the appropriate threads and moving things around.

To be clear, I do not like disrupting conversations and moving people’s posts. That said, I absolutely see it is the lesser of two evils. In addition to ignoring our etiquette recommendation against off-topic posts:

1. Are disruptive, because they derail threads that are very often important topics. No one wants to open a thread about a coaster project and spend pages reading an unrelated debate.

2. Create complications, because the same issue ends up being debated in several different threads, making it hard for people to keep track of what has been said and where.

3. Degrade discoverability, because readers have no idea where to go to find specific comments and content, which have been completely lost in a totally unrelated threads.

Rather than dragging threads off-topic, it really would be easier for everyone involved if people took a few extra minutes to find the correct discussion and use the quote feature to move their comments there. If for whatever reason people are unwilling to do that, please expect that we will move your posts and write them with that in mind.

I should also acknowledge that there are some members who are fantastic about finding the right threads and actively trying to keep threads on topic. We really appreciate their efforts.
 
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For the record, and perhaps I may be being so vane, I did not criticize you. I critized the system in which you operate. Two different things, to me.
 
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