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@WDWRLD (and everyone else for that matter) That 50-75% capacity cap came from a very preliminary checklist out of Orange County, "Flori-duh". It's certainly not gospel at this point. My guess is it initially might max at 50%. Bear in mind for BGW, you're dealing with a much more conservative governor when it comes to Covid-19 "phases" than the "F-it, let's open up all the beaches" governor of Florida.
 
I think you are way over estimating how many extra employees they will have working. I think they will have the same employees that run the rides wipe them down half assed between rides.

I was giving an example, and based on those guidelines it might take double the staff at many areas to do what will be required to be open.
 
And (since my last posted before I was finished) don't ignore the national survey where 59% surveyed said parks shouldn't open until a vaccine... With only 20% said they'd go anyway.

This forum is obviously biased towards parks, so exclude yourself.

I looked at Las Vegas (yeah, different animal) and a large hotel tested the water with open reservations during the summer months...never got above 28% occupancy any given month. Face it..people ain't gonna travel!
 
And (since my last posted before I was finished) don't ignore the national survey where 59% surveyed said parks shouldn't open until a vaccine... With only 20% said they'd go anyway.

This forum is obviously biased towards parks, so exclude yourself.

I looked at Las Vegas (yeah, different animal) and a large hotel tested the water with open reservations during the summer months...never got above 28% occupancy any given month. Face it..people ain't gonna travel!

And I’d be willing to bet that the hotel that tested the water also had a low water line understanding staffing wise what it would take to operate and where they needed to be making enough money. Every company is going to be doing that with reopening.
 
Im not sure comparing Vegas to theme parks is fair. Many people who travel to Vegas are there to gamble and party. Most fly. On the other hand many families that vacation to theme parks drive, yes places like centra Florida do have many that fly as well but many of those may decide to drive this year. Right now many people dont know what flights will look like in the coming months. Many peoples flights have been moved or canceled all together. I dont see the folks road tripping to Vegas where as I do see them taking the traditional summer vacation and driving like Clark Griswald to central Florids or the east coast tourist spots. I think you will see more regional vacations this summer, people east of the mississipi traveling to Florida or east coast beach vacations, people west of it going to the Grand Canyon and such. NYC travel will be down....just my thoughts and opinions.

No one knows what will really happen till the first days the parks open. I will say from my clients yes bookings are down but there are still many that have moved spring vacations to summer and even some that are booking new vacations. I was shocked to find Disney Fastpasses for most of the popular rides to be gone, I saw no diffrence in making FP+ a couple days ago at the 60 day mark than I have seen in any other trip over the past year or so.
 
As I prefaced, I know Vegas isn't a theme park. But @WDWRLD you're in error as about 52% arrive by vehicle and 25% of Vegas visitors come from So. Calif.... which is about a 4-6 hour drive.

I was merely pointing out that a single hotel (very large) is showing money-losing occupancy levels in the summer despite virtually giving away the room rates.

You keep using FastPass as some sort of benchmark. Have you taken into consideration that Disney might have cut back availability in their plans to limit queue size? I'm pretty sure what was normal last year most definitely isn't going to be the same whenever they open.
 
I don't understand why you guys are getting stressed out over - quite literally - peoples personal habits and decisions. The only information given to you is a single survey (which may have skewed results, I'm not sure how credible the source is) that shows demand would be down. I personally would not rely on such limited information as gospel, not to say it should be disregarded but just that the information isn't really that helpful when there is no other studies done by other sources.

I also wanted to point out that it is interesting how we seem to have a recession every 10 years or so? Interesting . . .

But, to get back to it, you can make fair arguments going either way about people visiting or not wanting to visit. But, I think what is truly being blown out of proportion is the ridiculous assumption that an extreme amount of labor is needed for these mandates. They are going to retrain existing staff in current positions to do double duty, taking on more tasks. For example, the custodial people will still do their typical work, but they would also likely have to squeeze in additional work into their normal day. Same people, just doing more work than normal. Will there be some additional people? Most likely, yes. Will there be a tremendous amount that makes it impossible to open? Not really. The concept of same person, more work is loved by many employers and they will most definitely push more tasks on existing workers. The other thing is they may relocate existing staff from redundant positions to more necessary spots. Relocation and additional workload to the already existing staff are the most likely options.
 
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I honestly think that what it will take staffing wise to reopen is being underestimated if you don’t think it’s going to take much. Like sure ride ops can wipe ride seats and restraints. What about railings, lockers, stands? Random benches all around. Seating at dining. Sure you can move redundant workers but that potentially opens a new risk by being understaffed.
 
Tye custodial people who walk around sweeping air, can now walk around wiping things down. It's not difficult or that out of the way. They already wipe down those things when it rains, they would just do those things more often. As I said, it would require some extra labor, but not as much as you've predicted.

Also, if it is a redundant position, then there is no risk. That person may just be standing there to look good because they have nothing else for them to do. Now, they would actually have something for them to do.
 
Yes I am over exaggerating. So will most businesses.

Also telling the custodial staff to just do that as well is much easier said than done. Some of these tasks aren’t done throughout the day regularly. It’s not as easy as telling someone to just do more.

As for the redundant workers, they are often there for a reason. Taking them away from that would cause potential problems.

We aren’t going to open up and have business as usual. Heck I doubt it’s even going to be just slightly altered. My place is planning on opening with 1 employee,1 customer at a time, lessons on the top of the hour, halfdays only.
 
My place is planning on opening with 1 employee,1 customer at a time, lessons on the top of the hour, halfdays only.

Just courious what was the ratio of employees/customers pre covid? I took golf lessons many many years ago and it was 1 student to 1 instructor back then, there was a bunch of old guys just hanging out though.
 
Just courious what was the ratio of employees/customers pre covid? I took golf lessons many many years ago and it was 1 student to 1 instructor back then, there was a bunch of old guys just hanging out though.

Its 1-to-1 instruction, however we have 3 bays and 3 coaches. So for us to ensure we can clean everything and maintain social distancing those are the rules we need, especially being indoors.
 
Re: "You wouldn’t want customers driving to the park to find out they can’t enter at all that day. "
Do you really think BGW will care about that? Look at how many nights they turn people away from HOS and CT and care less that they have drome from Northern Virginia.

If they're running at reduced capacity and think that by telling people not to come at one time they will instead come another time, of course.

What I see a chance of is virtual queues like the SF flash pass, at a much lower cost but no rides without one and one per group, so individuals and small groups effectively pay more. Another possibility is group people, you end up grouped with strangers if you don't bring your own group. You would be in proximity to people in the group but and groups would be kept away from each other. Even allow a group to reride once or twice before sending them on and cleaning everything.

They might face backlash if they open too soon due to that 59%. I think in the US, though, attitudes will change. If we don't get a vaccine or other treatment within a year, so many people will be saying the hell with it that they may as well open everything.

As to the reduced capacity, I've been to KD at least 100 times when the employee lot had more cars in it than the guest lot. If it's more than 1/3 full at peak for that day, I'm leaving, and I don't go at peak except Friday haunts. I'd guess it's rare for them to do more than 50% of capacity other than Saturdays, and even on those the average is around 50%. So it comes down to extra costs, and if people want to go enough. For most, it may even be a better experience to be told when to go. The problem with getting the accountants to really look at the situation is that might not be a good idea at the best of times.
 
I just got this from SWO:

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An Update From the CEO, Marc Swanson
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Dear S NICOLE,

For decades, SeaWorld and Busch Gardens parks have invited guests to experience the wonders of our world and the animals we share it with. As our world has forever changed, and is still changing, in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, I’m writing you today with an update on what we’re doing to help the animals in our care, our communities and our park guests during this challenging time.

As you may know, on March 16, we closed all 12 of our parks. This was a difficult decision, but it was the right one. And in the coming days, we were forced to furlough 95% of our workforce. More than difficult, this was an excruciating decision. It’s one we hope we can reverse in the weeks and months ahead. Until then, we are working on three important fronts to do our part to help bring about a return to normal.

For the Animals in Our Care

Right now, our team of dedicated and passionate zoological experts is tending to the needs of the animals in our care. They’re making sure the animals continue their daily routines and are ensuring their health and dietary needs are met to maintain the highest level of welfare and wellness. While there are no guests in our parks to experience these magnificent animals, our team of talented animal care specialists continue to fill their days with behavioral learning, social stimulation, and exercise. Our team’s commitment to animals is admirable in the best of times; in a crisis, it’s extraordinary.

We have also added precautions for animals and our employees, such as a new temperature-screening procedure for staff before entering the parks and the use of personal protective equipment, including masks and gloves, when interacting with certain animals.

For Our Communities

In the communities we serve and beyond, the SeaWorld Animal Rescue Team is continuing critical animal rescue work, coming to the aid of animals who need us 24/7. In the few weeks since our parks closed, we’ve rescued dozens of animals including: four manatees, seven sea lions and seven elephant seals.

Additionally, like many businesses that remain closed but feel compelled to help however they can, we have identified other ways to serve our communities. We immediately donated food from our parks to food banks. We also donated supplies like paper goods and masks to local officials and community health organizations that serve first responders. We hosted a blood drive at one of our parks and encouraged our employees to donate too and we donated the use of our parking lots to health care systems for COVID testing. We’ll gladly do it again, and we continue to look for ways we can help.

For parents and educators, amid school closures and shelter in place orders, we created new educational websites for SeaWorld and Busch Gardens, with 15 sets of comprehensive K-12 activities, videos and teacher guides – all developed by our zoologists. As you may have seen, we are adding new lessons every week and will be streaming live videos of the animals in their habitats. We’re also continuing to post on social media – using those platforms to share our animals with people who care about them as much as we do. Check out what we’re doing at SeaWorld and Busch Gardens.

Caring for animals is an important part of our mission; educating and inspiring the public about them is an equally important part. We’re so proud of how our teams have stepped up to help make sure we can continue to do that.

For Our Guests

We know that for many families, future vacation plans are uncertain or are changing. While our parks remain temporarily closed, we are committed to providing guests with the flexibility they need right now.

We are automatically extending all active Annual Passes and Membership products to SeaWorld and Busch Gardens for the length of time in which the parks remain closed. Domestic single-day tickets and any unused multi-day tickets that expire during the temporary closures will be extended through December 31, 2021. Expiring single-day and multi-day tickets purchased internationally will be automatically extended through the first week of 2022 to provide our guests from overseas additional flexibility. And in-park experiences during the temporary closures can also be rescheduled through December 31, 2021. We are also offering discounted tickets to be used when our parks reopen and will be announcing new benefits for all active Pass Members in the coming days.

We want to welcome you back to our parks as soon as possible. We also want you safe.

We are monitoring this evolving COVID-19 situation closely and coordinating with public health officials to make sure we open in a safe and responsible manner. We’ll continue to keep you updated and we look forward to welcoming our valued guests back to our parks soon.

Until then, we hope you’re staying safe and staying home.

Marc Swanson
Interim Chief Executive Officer
SeaWorld Entertainment, Inc.​
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Wow that's really awesome that they announced options for extension of all tickets, as well as in park experiences, AND doing discounts when they reopen, along with new benefits. I know we've seen a lot floating around in regards to what other parks are doing for pass members, but I feel like we haven't seen anything cover that much.

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Wow that's really awesome that they announced options for extension of all tickets, as well as in park experiences, AND doing discounts when they reopen, along with new benefits. I know we've seen a lot floating around in regards to what other parks are doing for pass members, but I feel like we haven't seen anything cover that much.

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Isn't CF doing the same thing? I'm not sure about discounts, but they've said they'e extending both passes and tickets purchased during the closures, extending in-park add-ons, and adding new benefits.
 
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But still no clarification on ezpay memberships.....those never end or say dining plans. So do I get Janurary and Febuary on my dining plan now?
 
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Isn't CF doing the same thing? I'm not sure about discounts, but they've said they'e extending both passes and tickets purchased during the closures, extending in-park add-ons, and adding new benefits.

According the Theme Park Insider:
Cedar Point, Canada's Wonderland, Kings Island and the other parks in the chain announced on their social media accounts that their Season Passes, plus add-ons, will be extended throughout the 2021 season, in addition to remaining valid for 2020 when the parks reopen.

https://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/202004/7392/
 
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Forgive if I missed this and it had been posted....I searched and nothing came up...

From earlier this month a class action against Six Flags for continuing monthly charges..


And this Six Flags page that must be in reaction...

 
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