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swimmerboy29 said:
All of my ideas, condensed (warning in advance- may come across as a Debby Downer and I do apologize):

1. Alpengeist
  • If we're sticking with a general "go off of what we have to work with" theme, I don't think the park would go with an entire cave in this case. Maybe Yeti "footprints" in the show interspersed throughout the ride?
  • I don't know if something "jumping" has a specific sound to it but at the end of the ride when you kind of get that jolt you could have a roar play through the speakers and have some sort of vibration as though the Geist just jumped off of your car.
  • Could also have some sort of control booth at the beginning of the station that's seemingly going haywire like it's possessed.
  • If we want to have call-outs to other attractions, I'm thinking maybe a "explore Bavaria" travel ad with a mockup of DK on a mountain shrouded by fog, and then something like "Black Forest Escapes" for Verbolten.
2. Apollo's Chariot
  • Hot take- I don't know what you really COULD do here beyond make turning the station into a mockup of a temple. I might opt for some fog machines to emulate clouds or something.
  • Another hot take: just have theming consist of pillars and columns scattered throughout while keeping the circus tent and theme it to some sort of archeological dig site.
3. Tempesto
  • I know we're not Disney here, but looking at Google Earth there's just not enough space to do much more theming-wise than there currently is with Apollo right next to it. I'd say best case scenario you just have to choose with coaster would hypothetically be the bigger priority for the makeover and even then, depending what the idea would be for an Odyssey retheme (a broken ship maybe?) there's not much. But being optimistic here so:
  • use the blue thing (is that for sound? idk) around the one end- put pieces on top that look like the mast of a ship and paint the inside to look like a ship. Same with the other side except for larger pieces , and then shipwreck-ey set pieces throughout.
Random odds and ends
  • throw snow up around Rhinefield if there isn't any already.
  • I feel like Oktoberfest as a whole should just have a spookier vibe to it given that its two marquee attractions are themed to a forbidden supernatural forest and a haunted castle, but not really sure how to execute that beyond half the land being overtaken by the forest and the other half being perpetually winter-ey, with a "warring supernatural sides of Germany" thing for HoS definitely not being a good idea given the events of the last century of human civilization.
  • I don't even remember what section of Pantheon corresponds to what God but some columbs thrown around would be nice.
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Not a Debbie downer at all!

If I had my way the entire festa Italia area would
Change and loose the carnival theme entirely, I believe I posted elsewhere a concept of turning the hamlet into Olympus. With the elephant run and basketball game turning into a wine garden themed to Dionysus and the whack a hun add other games becoming part of the rock work for the theming to the tempesto retheme.

As far as that, I was thinking where the entrance and exit are it would be the mast broken and some of the tattered sails becoming a banner calling it the Odyssey. Add some fog and lighting packages around the forward launch and a new paint scheme. But I also love Nicole’s idea of just getting rid of it. I have no love for it and even a retheme wouldn’t increase hoe
Often I ride it.

In my concepts I tend to be more blue sky and not very practical sometimes.
 
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Probably an awful idea but here's some ideas to continually improve the park while also keeping the beauty of it all-

  1. Close Pompeii. Build a winery in its place. (I'm being completely serious) with tours for a small extra fee.
  2. Once we're officially in the post-Lumberjack construction stage of the park, adopt the Marie Kondo mentality. Build a coaster, ditch another. Do something like a franchise tag where you have stuff (ie Loch Ness) that 100% will not be replaced.
  3. Renovation projects for other coasters.
 
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swimmerboy29 said:
Close Pompeii. Build a winery in its place. (I'm being completely serious) with tours for a small extra fee.
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I wouldn't want to lose Pompeii for it, but I agree that a vineyard (and maybe small batch winery?) is a very good idea. I remember theorizing the same ages ago for Festa Field pre-Pantheon. Maybe post-Pantheon it could be a good use for the coaster's infield?

Alcohol is a big profit center for BGW, Virginia wine is a thing, and vineyard/wine making tours could be very popular.
 
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Zachary said:
I wouldn't want to lose Pompeii for it, but I agree that a vineyard (and maybe small batch winery?) is a very good idea. I remember theorizing the same ages ago for Festa Field pre-Pantheon. Maybe post-Pantheon it could be a good use for the coaster's infield?

Alcohol is a big profit center for BGW, Virginia wine is a thing, and vineyard/wine making tours could be very popular.
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I'm honestly surprised there aren't more places for groups of adults to just relax with a drink. Like when I was a kid and we'd go to ride Eire/Air, our parents would take our loose articles and be like come find us at Grogan's.

I've also seen enough people at the park dressed in very non-park clothing (see previous comments about sundress lady) to know that people (albeit people who live nearby and have season passes... I'm not driving 3 hours to relax with a beer and sample food) go to the park to literally just relax with a drink and enjoy how pretty it is.

willrobs3 said:
Williamsburg Winery is just on the other side of Kingsmill from BGW. So many options if they partnered together, I can already imagine a custom wine for Busch Gardens with grapes grown at Busch Gardens.
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Pantheon themed wine with flavors "corresponding" to each God on the ride
 
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I know there is no place for it easily anyway unless one of the buildings I have never seen occupied, left of from days long ago, but with me and the wife visiting Saturday on an 85 degree day, why is there no cold food spot in the park, don’t get me wrong the food is good enough for theme park food (all be it lacking the quality from the golden years) it’s hot , I’m sweaty and I’m not trying to crush a chicken parm, or a sausage sampler right now. Why can’t we get an earl of sandwich shop in England, a Roman salad shop, or a Butterbrot shop in Germany, you’d think in the staffing shortage, and a park that operates in the southern heat, we could just have a place to grab prepared sandwiches and salads. I’d love a in park, subway/jimmy johns style but on Saturday in peak heat I’d have shelled out 15 bucks for a gas station style sandwich in one of those plastic triangle package you know what I mean.
 
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I think something like this would be great for the sim building. A Mysterious underground leprechaun world similar to corkscrew hill type of imagination would be great and fill a void in the line up. Heck, even add a scene similar flying over the loch with the Lochness monster.

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BGWfan said:
A new gen Vekoma flyer that traverses the village and dives to the water would be vastly more exciting than [Holzfäller], but alas...
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Replying here so as not to derail the Holzfäller discussion.

I agree that Virginia needs a flying coaster, and the Six Flags merger means KD probably won't consider one until Batwing's time is up. Where could a flying coaster go in BGW (save for replacing Verbolten or Alpengeist, which I doubt either would be removed in the next ten years)?
 
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So I’ve been thinking about all the talk of new theme elements with Holtzfaller and people naming rides (pantheon) that would get something.

I feel like I really want Festa Italia get a full on redo. I feel as though some of the cutting and chopping lately has really made this area, which was a mess a bit in my mind, worse.

So this is a little concept, a little state of the park. I would like to see BGW/UPs put money into “rebirthing” Festa Italia for their 50th. The theme and name I picked for this area is “Roman Forum”. IMO you wouldn’t need to do a lot to the area in terms of changing anything. Just take some of the festival looking theme elements and refresh them to more of a town market feel. Make some of the facades have a more permanent building look.

I would like them to do something like that because I feel like so many other areas have gotten some love, even if it’s not up to the standard some would love. I just don’t want to see Festas improvement to just be a coat of paint. Give the ride themes some love (or any), rebrand the whole area, and just make the area feel new.
 
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SLC Headache said:
Replying here so as not to derail the Holzfäller discussion.

I agree that Virginia needs a flying coaster, and the Six Flags merger means KD probably won't consider one until Batwing's time is up. Where could a flying coaster go in BGW (save for replacing Verbolten or Alpengeist, which I doubt either would be removed in the next ten years)?
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I think the general consensus is there are three locations that the park could add coasters to. sites 1, 2, and 3.
What I think would be a best fit
1. Wing coaster
2. Euro fighter out of Ireland or Big bear mountain/Maverick style ride that hugs the creek
3. RMC

A flying coaster would be cool but I think these would make for better ride options
 

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I’m gonna be the Debbie downer on flying coasters as I do not like them at all. Unless you get front row you are staring at someone’s feet. And as someone with a leg/torso ratio that isn’t typical I tend to get hit in sensitive parts a A LOT. The only redeeming quality of Vekoma is its 2 across not 4.
 
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GAcoaster said:
BBW's replacement should have always been a B&M Flyer. The thought of a terrain hugging drop to the Rhine face first would be amazing.
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Unfortunately, they needed something ostensibly family-friendly at the time.

In a better timeline, they would have built the dive coaster in the Drachen Fire plot, replaced Le Mans with a family coaster, and replaced the Wolf with the B&M flyer. Wait, no, Kingsmill would have raised a fuss about a roaring B&M with banging lift hill sounds. Siiiiiigh...
 
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@filter: Don't know if you're tracking this, but both your #1 and #3 locations heavily infringe on the Colonial Pipeline easement. We haven't seen a coaster cross the easement since Nessie and in recent years we have repeatedly seen the park work incredibly hard to avoid touching the area with any construction at all. There's a good chance the easement is being enforced to an extent these days where crossing it with a coaster would be somewhere between an unlikely scenario and a nonstarter. 😞

That's part of the reason I've been banging the "BUT THINK OF THE LAND USE" drum for years now. BGW is increasingly boxing themselves into completely unnecessary corners which will just add cost and complexity to expansion in the future.
 
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I wish they would’ve tried to push their x-cars more. They did somewhat well initially and then they kind of died off. Aside from Rockit, the other x-cars seem to be pretty reliable.
 
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