Call for Ideas: New Membership Program Perks
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This has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, but I am beyond grateful to have kept my $10 a month platinum pass and not had to have dealt with any of the issues others have experienced. While it’s a bummer not getting perks at BGW it’s lightyears better than actively trying to find out what is included or not included with a membership. This whole change is rather frustrating to most and I have to say it’s fairly saddening to see the community so divisive over a change that many should have seen coming from the financially struggling chain.
Well that's 'home park' adjustment pricing, and most chains will do it. What SEAS needs to do to avoid people gaming the system is 'limit' geographically where you can call your 'home park' so someone outside the radius of likely visiting isn't able to buy one.
In terms of the different perks....that's a SEAS issue for me. They let each park run it's own program instead of centralizing it and running it as one program with different pricing based on home park. Yes that it a legitimate issue to take with chain owners. And from @Nicole said earlier, it sounds as though the person behind all of the work on this program left before it could all be applied. So quite a bit felt disjointed.
And going back to when it was announced, I said they should have made a clean break from pass to membership. The fact that someone was paying $10 a month for a pass I was paying $20+ a month and got everything the exact same made me more upset than having the light increase. And I'm not even sure how lucky some EZ-Pay pass people had that they never payed inflation or market increases.
And frankly it's sad to me to see people complain about a park increasing prices as most other aspects of living goes up. Is it right that the park isn't expected to increase prices, but you can in your line of work?
Although the price increase this year over last year was significant I wouldnt have a problem with it if everyone paid the same price. The fact that I know of people paying $9 a month and I pay $20 or now for 2019 $22 is the real issue. The bigger issue is that I guess after 2019 my pass will go up in price again and those old ones will still be paying $9. They didnt fix anything, in fact just widened the gap.
Right and I said that's part of the issue. I said it here in a part you didn't quote:
What I'm saying in the part where you quotes is increases in prices are part of life and not something IMO worth complaining about.
This is a false equivalency. Memberships have better benefits than APs.
We were told that the original Premier would keep it's original benefits, and we reported that here. The new Premier is NOT the same as the original on Premier. It is a confusing system, but apparently it is working. You cannot conflate the two, just to make a rhetorical case.
I believe Joe had problems, before they got the bugs out of the system. We were also told he should be able to get reimbursed for the day passes he bought. Obviously, he didn't, which is an issue. As I said, however, they seem to have addressed the problem since then.
Also, in response to @WDWRLD's dismissive assertion that we aren't talking about Passholder merch here...
1. I was responding to his comments about free junk from Disney; and
2. That is actually a central aspect of this thread.
I believe Joe had problems, before they got the bugs out of the system. We were also told he should be able to get reimbursed for the day passes he bought. Obviously, he didn't, which is an issue. As I said, however, they seem to have addressed the problem since then.
Also, in response to @WDWRLD's dismissive assertion that we aren't talking about Passholder merch here...
1. I was responding to his comments about free junk from Disney; and
2. That is actually a central aspect of this thread.
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Do they really though? Explain....im waiting because in what they save they can buy the CT pass...they are still getting free parking with the old AP. They still got in on preview days, they got a ornament, their passes got them into Seaworld and BGT......what do they not get?
I'm sorry, but that is transparent rhetoric.
Listing things that legacy pass members still get doesn't demonstrate that there aren't benefits that they are denied. In fact, there is a list of monthly perks that only Members should receive.
Additionally, there is no longer a CT Pass. Paying for a CT Fun Card is not the same as having CT included in your membership, regardless.
As for the legitimate complaint that legacy pass holders are still able to get their unreasonably low EZPay rates, that is completely a result of the violent backlash from the community. People screamed, when the park said they should be paying market prices for their passes, and pathetically BGW seems to have caved.
I would note, that BGW has not officially backed off of their warning that the legacy passes will not be valid indefinitely. In theory, they should be sunsetted at some point.
As @warfelg noted, I do believe that things would have ended differently, if certain staffing changes hadn't occurred.
Listing things that legacy pass members still get doesn't demonstrate that there aren't benefits that they are denied. In fact, there is a list of monthly perks that only Members should receive.
Additionally, there is no longer a CT Pass. Paying for a CT Fun Card is not the same as having CT included in your membership, regardless.
As for the legitimate complaint that legacy pass holders are still able to get their unreasonably low EZPay rates, that is completely a result of the violent backlash from the community. People screamed, when the park said they should be paying market prices for their passes, and pathetically BGW seems to have caved.
I would note, that BGW has not officially backed off of their warning that the legacy passes will not be valid indefinitely. In theory, they should be sunsetted at some point.
As @warfelg noted, I do believe that things would have ended differently, if certain staffing changes hadn't occurred.
The keyword you used is "Should". Like the ornament....heck they were aparently just giving everyone one at some point. But when your paying such a unbelievably low price on a old pass that paying full price for a CT "fun card"...again I dont care what its called it gets you in the gate....is still cheaper than upgrading plus you are allowed to use your legacy pass for free parking during CT why would you want to upgrade. If I knew this time last year what I know now I too would be sitting back laughing at the suckers that are paying to get the park as beautifual as it is while I pay a fraction of the price to ride the same rides.
I have personally witnessed people being told that their old passes would not get them perks as they were only for members that doesn't mean that someone might not have slipped up and violated that policy at some point as sadly the park has a history of that but to characterize it as the park allowing it does not fit with what I have seen.
I’d add those people getting buy really cheap: they are grandfathered into that price. Someone becoming a member now cannot get that price. If they were lucky enough to keep that price good for them.
Yes the park should grow a pair and basically say if you think it’s unfair, too bad.
But those prices they are getting cannot be had to anyone else. Just whatever they were locked into it. And as long as there is ANYTHING available to members and not pass holders; there will always be a disadvantage to being cheap on that plan.
Yes the park should grow a pair and basically say if you think it’s unfair, too bad.
But those prices they are getting cannot be had to anyone else. Just whatever they were locked into it. And as long as there is ANYTHING available to members and not pass holders; there will always be a disadvantage to being cheap on that plan.
Ive seen them let in on member days, others posted that as well above. Then the same group walked straight to the free Coke stuff and got that too. There were also posts about them putting ornamnets in everyones bags....the night I recieved mine ther had them piled up at the register and from what I saw everyone was getting handed one whether you had the printed voucher or not. They do not get every single thing but the fact that they sneak through on anything is a problem.
This is a prime example of a secundum quid fallacy.
You may have seen an example of the issue you are describing but it's absurd to extrapolate that one instance to the larger whole. A cursory look through the park's social media on any of the member nights from which APs were excluded showed that many, many people were turned away. Multiple people have reported seeing AP holders turned away on these nights. I personally watched heated arguments at the turnstiles as people were told they couldn't enter the park with their APs and they would need to upgrade them at guest services.
A few people will always slip through the cracks. It's silly arguing about a couple people who got through. It's about the standard policies and what the majority of individuals are experiencing.
You may have seen an example of the issue you are describing but it's absurd to extrapolate that one instance to the larger whole. A cursory look through the park's social media on any of the member nights from which APs were excluded showed that many, many people were turned away. Multiple people have reported seeing AP holders turned away on these nights. I personally watched heated arguments at the turnstiles as people were told they couldn't enter the park with their APs and they would need to upgrade them at guest services.
A few people will always slip through the cracks. It's silly arguing about a couple people who got through. It's about the standard policies and what the majority of individuals are experiencing.
Unlimited has never included the other parks though...I'm so lost in this thread rn.
1. Since you brought it up, no I had no fracking idea that Coke gave WDW a deal to serve only Coke. The way you phrased it really read the opposite.
2. "A word twist"?? what does that even mean?
Words have meaning, sentence structure intones meaning, tone, and substance. Much like numbers you can not just swap out words or word position and assume that the meaning hasn't changed. As the old joke goes a comma is all that keeps you from having grandpa for dinner.
You may flippantly throw up your hands and say, "you know what I mean," but you do so at your own peril. Effective debate and disscussion, at a minimum requires that each person to speak the same language.
Really where? What I saw were people pointing out that BGW is making mistakes. Arguing a point about the difference between to things is not the same as saying one of the things is intrinsically better.
I want to point out something on the ornament thing: If it was the last weekend, and I can't recall if they said 2018 on them or not, but if the idea is a new one every year, they could have been just giving them away to just getting rid of them.
Yes a bad look, but I think they rather give them out than throw them away.
Yes a bad look, but I think they rather give them out than throw them away.