And what exactly do the last dozen posts have to do with alpengeist? Just because I'm drawing an admin's attention to it doesn't mean I'm telling them how to do their job.
Kindly mind your own business.
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And what exactly do the last dozen posts have to do with alpengeist? Just because I'm drawing an admin's attention to it doesn't mean I'm telling them how to do their job.
Kindly mind your own business.
This is why there are PMs and report buttons. To communicate with admins without further derailing threads.
@Jahrules was right about a lot of the discussion belonging somewhere else, but @Thomas is right about how best to communicate that. The report button really works, I promise. Just because we don't always take action when someone uses it doesn't mean we don't review each and every report.
Another note about the report button vs. posting about this stuff publicly: Oftentimes I'll read a thread on my phone and if I see someone ask for a thread split or something, I will put it off till I'm back at a computer. (Fumbling with moving a bunch of posts around on a phone is a pain in the ass.) The problem is that by the time I get to a computer, I've likely forgotten the request all together. Reports are great because we have to manually take action on each report we receive. Until one of us closes the report ticket, it's always at the top of the screen for all three of the admins.
Anyway, I moved the seemingly-most-CMT-specific posts into a newly created CMT 2020 thread.
Another note about the report button vs. posting about this stuff publicly: Oftentimes I'll read a thread on my phone and if I see someone ask for a thread split or something, I will put it off till I'm back at a computer. (Fumbling with moving a bunch of posts around on a phone is a pain in the ass.) The problem is that by the time I get to a computer, I've likely forgotten the request all together. Reports are great because we have to manually take action on each report we receive. Until one of us closes the report ticket, it's always at the top of the screen for all three of the admins.
Anyway, I moved the seemingly-most-CMT-specific posts into a newly created CMT 2020 thread.
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Define rough.
Compared to BGW’s other coasters, yes.
Compared to quite literally any other park’s rough coaster, no.
Golden Ticket Awards has always had Alpengiest in it’s top 50 coasters, with it never dropping below 36. I’d say that’s a good indicator that even if it is considered “rough”, the general consensus is that it’s not rough enough to be a detriment.
Compared to BGW’s other coasters, yes.
Compared to quite literally any other park’s rough coaster, no.
Golden Ticket Awards has always had Alpengiest in it’s top 50 coasters, with it never dropping below 36. I’d say that’s a good indicator that even if it is considered “rough”, the general consensus is that it’s not rough enough to be a detriment.
That may be true, but the GTAs also think that millennium force is the second best steel coaster in the world, and have Phoenix over El Toro on the woodie side
I feel that either Alpengeist has become rougher with age, or I’ve become less tolerant of its roughness as I’ve aged - I’m not completely sure which. However, Carowinds has a coaster (Afterburn), which is basically Alpengeist without the ski theming, and it’s a much smoother ride. If I’m remembering correctly, and not just becoming old and brittle, Alpie used to be as smooth as Afterburn.
The only “rough” part, in my opinion, is the snap into the MCBR. But if you’re ready for it, that’s part of the fun.
Alpie is an especially fun coaster to do what my friends and I call the “rag doll” on: close your eyes and let your body go limp. The physics that ensue are astounding!
Alpie is an especially fun coaster to do what my friends and I call the “rag doll” on: close your eyes and let your body go limp. The physics that ensue are astounding!
Alpengeist is an incredibly smooth coaster with a full train. However, there are two very aggressive transitions on the course that one should look out for. Entering and exiting the cobra tool is a aggressive moment and the turn into the MCBR has quite the snap to it. The best way to ride is to just follow the track and move your head with the elements to prevent your head and neck from being thrown around.
Also, if the train isn’t full, the bottom of some of the larger elements before the MCBR will have a subtle vibration or rattle. Notably at the bottom of the first drop and leaving the vertical loop on the way to the cobra roll.
Also, if the train isn’t full, the bottom of some of the larger elements before the MCBR will have a subtle vibration or rattle. Notably at the bottom of the first drop and leaving the vertical loop on the way to the cobra roll.
I’ve always assumed that most of Alpengeist’s “roughness” is a result to the hurdles that Bolliger & Mabillard had to overcome while designing it. Supposedly the park wanted them to bulldoze as few trees as possible; and they even had to move the lift hill away from where it should have gone, because a water pump was in the way. I’m sure more details exist about said hurdles in earlier parts of this thread.
The MCBR brakes way too fast, and that seems to get worse over time. Otherwise, I sort of wish they chose a batwing instead of a cobra roll, since the former is more gradual; although I understand that the cobra roll is more picturesque/iconic.
As one of my favorite rides in the park; it is my hope that the park decides to rebuild it from scratch (like The Incredible Hulk), rather than simply get rid of it when it gets too rough/hard to maintain.
The MCBR brakes way too fast, and that seems to get worse over time. Otherwise, I sort of wish they chose a batwing instead of a cobra roll, since the former is more gradual; although I understand that the cobra roll is more picturesque/iconic.
As one of my favorite rides in the park; it is my hope that the park decides to rebuild it from scratch (like The Incredible Hulk), rather than simply get rid of it when it gets too rough/hard to maintain.
Unless it keeps having more footer issues, I don't seeing Alpie go anywhere for a long time as long as B&M is still in business or, like what happened with Arrow, have the spare parts manufactured by a still-existing company (S&S, I believe for Arrow).
It seems to be natural that even a well-maintained ride gets a little rougher in spots; I'd chalk that up to stressed metal and/or footers being fatigued. Nothing so serious as to prevent safe operation, but would be something that may be relatively expensive to access, diagnose, and correct.
It seems to be natural that even a well-maintained ride gets a little rougher in spots; I'd chalk that up to stressed metal and/or footers being fatigued. Nothing so serious as to prevent safe operation, but would be something that may be relatively expensive to access, diagnose, and correct.
I wouldn't mind Alpie being closed for a year to undergo a Hulk like reboot.
That is interesting. I really think height and other similar factors must play into this. Afterburn beats me up, but Alpie doesn’t. I believe it has to do with where the restraints fall on me versus most other people.
I find it incredibly remarkable how ones height and girth dramatically alter the way a ride is experienced.
It's almost like you could count it as a different credit if you change one parameter significantly.
It's almost like you could count it as a different credit if you change one parameter significantly.
I’m always curious, because people dislike a post but don’t bother to comment why, what’s so bad about a ground up rebuild or Alpie? I think it’s gotten incredibly rough, it has footer problems, and we would get all the newest gen B&M trains out of it. Yea it would suck losing it for a year but the long term benefit is great IMO.
I’d rather BGW spend that money on a new coaster than a slightly smoother version of what we already have, personally.
I guess the question is how much different would it end up being with such a refurb?
Nevermind the cost, I could see that while rattles may be reduced it's quite possible there'd be some unintended consequences that while on their own may seem insignificant may collectively be enough to make the ride feel different and possibly, to some, not as good as it used to be.
However, personally I'm ok with a refurb on any ride that needs it.
Nevermind the cost, I could see that while rattles may be reduced it's quite possible there'd be some unintended consequences that while on their own may seem insignificant may collectively be enough to make the ride feel different and possibly, to some, not as good as it used to be.
However, personally I'm ok with a refurb on any ride that needs it.
what do you mean in terms of? As someone that’s rode Hulk pre and post revamp, it feels amazing. Just like it did back in 1999. And on top of that the new restraints feel much better.
All I’m suggesting is an exact rebuild with the next gen trains, especially with the footers supposedly being bad, it might be what it takes.
I’m of the opinion that the Hulk rebuild did very little to positively impact my ride experience, I hate the new B&M OSTRs with the burning passion of a thousand suns, and, like @Joe, I would rather see those millions of dollars go to a new, better coaster than a rebuild of a previous design in an effort to make it slightly smoother.