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Shane said:
Halfabee is correct, those are Arrow trains you are looking at in that photo, not Vekoma trains. All Vekoma coasters had Arrow built rolling stock until they debuted the MK-1200 in the early 90s. These would be the black and read trains illustrated below.

Some time in the late 90s they debuted their second generation trains, the MK-1210. These ones were more rounded like the pink train below.

All of the "pointy" nosed Vekoma coasters built up until this point had Arrow built trains ending with the debut of the MK-1200 due to contract agreement with Arrow. It is safe to come to the conclusion that Vekoma designed the MK-1200 and MK-1210 trains in response to Arrow's multiple bankruptcy's and their inability to rely on Arrow being able to provide trains for their future projects.

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Had to edit my initial post. I miss identified the MK-1210s as MK-1200s

Also want to credit ParkVault with helping me figure out the models of the trains and remind everyone to check out their extensive detailed history of Vekoma.
 
Hmm, changes to the LNM trains... whatever happened to Drachen Fire's trains?  Might there be room aboard each car to plug in a VR headset or two? I wouldn't mind seeing red tracer lights arcing through Nessie's loops at night.

Though something tells me the DF trains were parted out long ago, their guts feeding the Canyon Blasters of the world while their fiberglass Miata shells languish in a scrapyard far, far away...
 
Zachary said:
MadridBot said:
I’ve heard from multiple people that work in the Scotland Area that Loch Ness has new Vekoma Trains on sight? [...] They said that they were the Gen 1 vekoma trains.

The particulars presented in MadridBot's post above are incorrect.

That said, major upgrades are coming to Loch Ness Monster in 2018 and his understanding that said upgrades involve Nessie's trains is also correct.

More details soon...

This makes me VERY nervous. Facelifts always end up with a mouth up around the ears. Besides she is beautiful.
 
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halfabee said:
Though something tells me the DF trains were parted out long ago, their guts feeding the Canyon Blasters of the world while their fiberglass Miata shells languish in a scrapyard far, far away...

I actually have a hunch were Drachen's trains might have ended up, but I can't be sure. The timing seems to work, but it's just a theory.

Also, Canyon Blaster had Drachen Fire model trains from the day it opened.
 
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Shane said:
Also, Canyon Blaster had Drachen Fire model trains from the day it opened.
Yep. I just meant a limited number of components as spare parts... not full trains.

When it comes to the trains' actual fates though, I know nothing.
 
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Completely forgot about this, and there’s a 99% chance that it’s true. But Loch Ness’s third train should be rebuilt for the 2018 season. For the entirety of the 2017 main season it was under construction in the maintenance bay. So that’s another cool thing for Nessie.
 
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Shane said:
Shane said:
Halfabee is correct, those are Arrow trains you are looking at in that photo, not Vekoma trains. All Vekoma coasters had Arrow built rolling stock until they debuted the MK-1200 in the early 90s. These would be the black and read trains illustrated below.

Some time in the late 90s they debuted their second generation trains, the MK-1210. These ones were more rounded like the pink train below.

All of the "pointy" nosed Vekoma coasters built up until this point had Arrow built trains ending with the debut of the MK-1200 due to contract agreement with Arrow. It is safe to come to the conclusion that Vekoma designed the MK-1200 and MK-1210 trains in response to Arrow's multiple bankruptcy's and their inability to rely on Arrow being able to provide trains for their future projects.

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Had to edit my initial post. I miss identified the MK-1210s as MK-1200s

Also want to credit ParkVault with helping me figure out the models of the trains and remind everyone to check out their extensive detailed history of Vekoma.

Glad I could help! The history of Vekoma is a lot more extensive than most people expect. I wrote those articles as a small project and it ended up nearly as long as my B&M Inverted Coaster history that I wrote after.
 
Now that staff training has started, let's talk about these "new trains."

First off, I've seen nothing to suggest that the trains in question are actually completely new. From the evidence I've seen, it appears to me that the chassis are almost certainly recycled from the previous set and it is just everything above them that is being replaced. Again, I'm not sure of this, but that is what the circumstantial evidence is currently suggesting.

Secondly, these new fiberglass bodies seem to be modeled after later generation Arrow trains than Loch Ness Monster initially ran. That said, they don't seem like perfect replicas of any specific train but, instead, an amalgamation of elements from a number of different designs—all brought together to create some sort of new, Frankenstein-equse imitation Arrow train design.

That sounds negative, but I really don't intend for it to be read as such. In fact, it seems pretty smart to comb through the various Arrow looper train iterations and build a "greatest hits" train of sorts—featuring beneficial elements from the various different models.

So, with all that said, what is different about these new Loch Ness Monster train bodies?

  • The new car bodies are very similar to those currently found on Anaconda at Kings Dominion. Gone are the flared fenders around the wheel wells (picture for reference). Instead we have a smooth, flat body around the wheel wells (example). The solid train wall at shoulder height has also been dramatically reduced in size compared to LNM's original design (example of the new size).
     
  • That's not to say they are identical though. I'm not yet sure whether or not LNM's new train bodies have the same pair of rounded horizontal "pinstripes" down their length as can be found on many similar Arrow trains. Additionally, the metal bars around the shoulder area of the new bodies are substantially different than anything I've seen on trains of this style (they are still chrome too!).
     
  • Perhaps the most notable changes with this new design (vs both LNM's original bodies and typical Arrow bodies) are the trains' headrests. They are much taller than normal Arrow looper trains. A good example of these "skyscraper" headrests can be found on Tennessee Tornado at Dollywood (picture).
     
  • I know a lot of people were really hoping for some sort of restraint change, but, for better or for worse, the new bodies seem to be fitted with the same exact restraints as we've long been accustomed to.
     
  • Unfortunately there is one other negative I have to mention here... May the orange stripe rest in peace. :(
Anyway, all that said, I'm really looking forward to talking to someone from Design & Engineering about these changes because, to be honest, overall, this seems like a somewhat bizarre linear alteration. With such a substantial investment, I would have expected to see some more substantive modifications to improve guest experience.

That said, I don't want to downplay the importance of these changes. Every investment into a ride this age is a huge deal and the park should be commended for it.
 
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