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Hi everyone!

Fresh off a week long trip to WDW, and wanted to do a report of everything I experienced in this trip. I'm going to do my best to be detailed and give each park/day it's own post to give it time to breath and to give some ability to converse on individual topics easier.

Starting my trip, it actually began before Disney. We flew into Miami on Sept 21st. We were supposed to see Weezer the Sunday before at the Wharf but through some issues we ended up missing it. So I surprised my fiance by changing flights, booking a hotel, renting a car for us to see Weezer at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood FL.

The concert was amazing. Weezer really brings it. If you are old enough to do casinos, Hard Rock is a good time. We had dinner a Kuro, which is a Japanese small plate concept dining. Everything is designed to eat as a shared plate and you are supposed to order as you go. It was OUTSTANDING! I highly recommend the oysters 3 ways and the Wagyu Beef plate.

Sunday we rented a convertible and made the 3 hour trek from Miami to Orlando. Now, they are more expensive, but I have nothing but great things to say about SIXT as a rental company. The BMW 4-series convertible was $180 one way, but it was meticulously detailed, low milage, and a mid level equipped ride (black car and black leather scared me, but it had ventilated A/C equipped seats!). Additionally there was no nickel and diming of fees and everything. The price they show you is the price all in. I made the switch after the $90 rental with Alamo then told me that i might not get the luxury car I wanted AND they showed me all the fees that made it actually be $265.

Onto Disney. We stayed at the Boat and Yacht Club, on the Boat side. The soon to be Sister in Law picked this location for the pool since we had 4 kids in the group between 5-10. Personally, I would have picked different resorts for the money on Disney's property, but we all have our different dials that get us to stay somewhere.

Let's start with the bad and get to the good.

Checking in was a mixed bag. The good is that with the new system you can check in, have your room number, and room key via your phone well before arriving. The fiance and I requested a room with a single king bed, and so did the soon to be MIL and FIL. But the SIL requested that we all end up close together, so it took longer to get a 4 room block, and those of us that wanted king beds ended up with 2 doubles instead. Disney should really look into making some setups where there are king size bed suites mixed in for situations like this. Another hiccup in the system was our travel agent put me as the "child" account when we booked, meaning I didn't have my own account. So when we showed up, by app didn't have access to a room key. The concierge, thankfully, was good at navigating this. I'm not sure what the issue was along the way, but it was annoying as it got me frustrated and my fiance frustrated that I couldn't just figure it out and needed to ask someone.

Beaches and Cream for dinner was rather - forgettable by the end of the trip. I had the Grilled Cheese and Tomato Cream soup. There was so much cream and basil in the soup, there was almost no tomato taste to it and it had the consistency of pudding. The grilled cheese part, while very messy, was also very good. I was rather disappointed in my meal at the end because of the combination of how bland everything was with how it didn't quite taste the way you would expect. It felt like it's meant to be a kid friendly dining but trying to be a little more "upscale" in presentation. Doesn't work. Just be a beachside like diner. Heck even my dessert, a root beer float, I expected something to be special about it. Maybe a home made ice cream or a hand mixed root beer. Nope. It tasted like something you could make at home by going to the grocery store.

Side note on dining - the fiance is gluten free. While Disney was incredibly accommodating - they will only do it as if it's an allergy, which made wait times on all our food about 50% longer than non-gluten free. They need to get better at having a middle ground on the gluten thing. The only way all our food got prepared is if the head chef for a spot did it and a manager delivered. Get me the option to have gluten free (but not allergic) just available on the menu to keep up pace. It created a few complaints from the group as we got slow service multiple times in the stay.

Martha's Vineyard bar became our sanctuary. It's not a full service bar (meaning they won't make you anything) but man the options are good. Our bartender the first night was amazing (JJ) as he constantly talked to everyone, even while making drinks, joked around and just made it a great experience. The Whiskey Breeze quickly became a go to drink for all of us in the group. As far as food goes, we got the Loaded Potato Barrels. Pretty standard potato skins but on tots instead of skins, the big part being it was house made cheese sauce and it was fantastic. The wings also get a thumbs up from us.

One other small complaint that came up later in the trip - but Disney's meal plan is both well defined and poorly explained. We got 1 snack, 1 quick service, and 1 sit down meal per day on property. Sounds clear right? Well the bar food counted as one of your sit down meals. And we didn't know that. Oh and in some cases you alcoholic beverage is covered, but other times its not included. It's kinda hit or miss. And then in some places (take my Whiskey Breeze) a drink is part of your meal, but in another place the same drink is not covered due to it being available but not a 'signature' drink for the eatery. It did take until the 3rd night of the trip when the 'host' for Martha's Vineyard explained it all to us that we realized we have been really messing up our meal plans. There was a few times we just said "sure" to using the meal plan at places we should not have done that (ie breakfasts from the marketplace are a quick service, but no one there told us that was a terrible value). They don't even do a good job marking what is what type of service, as it was up to us to figure out which was which.

Our end suggestion in the survey to Disney was to put symbols on everything. Create one for snack, one for quick service, and one for sit down. Put those symbols on the signs to the spot you are at. Or just train the F&B staff to be open about telling you if you are making a mistake or not. But we made too many mistakes where by the final day we had 6 quick services and 7 snacks to use, so it was a day full of eating. I would rather they did something like time frames - breakfast meal to use until 10:30, lunch from 11-3, dinner from 4-on; one of those meals each day can be a sit down service, then you get 1 snack to use outside of that. (To add to the confusion, some spots take two sit down meals to cover it on the plan, and it's in tiny print at the bottom of the menu).

Oh - last thing. We were a group of 11, so gratuity was always auto added at 18%, and it's not part of your dining plan, so it automatically goes on your credit card every time, so you have no option to cash tip when you are a bigger group. And even when we wanted to split out based on the families, it was still added on there automatically. We were all watching our credit card bills and it was crazy that it was $150-250 every day in tips that were on that.
 
DAY 2 - MAGIC KINGDOM

On the first full day of our trip we spent the day in Magic Kingdom. It's been a really long time since I've been in this park. I'll go through our day in order of what we did with each day. On the whole I was very happy with this day and enjoyed myself.

Magic Moment -
Our day started with the pictures in front of the castle. Our photographer was awesome. Even more awesome, we were a group of 11, and despite technically only 1 time slot is reserved for a group of 8 or less (again something in the information but not readably advertised) they vowed to take all the pictures we wanted. Our photographer was really patient as each combo of families and groupings (like Mommom and Poppop with kids and Kiki and Greg the Egg [me] with the kids), and our "bodyguard" did a good job of helping us pre-organize our groupings so our photographer had to just step side to side a few feet to speed things up. Despite it being really crowded the pictures came out AMAZING where it looks like we were the only people there.

A magical moment at the end - we saw a surprise proposal during the magical moments and a woman tell her partner she was pregnant as a surprise. It was absolutely awesome experience top to bottom.

A great thing Disney has done is when you get the photo key, all your pictures go straight to the app. And it did not take long for our pictures to get on there regularly. Just wonderful setup that made me not worry about anything with pictures the entire time. I would say for anyone wanting to do a Disney trip this is a MUST ADD ON that will allow you to keep all the memories without thinking about it.

Buzz Lightyear Spaceranger Spin -
Whoo boy. This started the day out with a disappointment. Let just start with the aim of my gun. I needed to aim 3 feet left and 4 feet high of where I actually wanted to shoot. The spin function on the car lacked any functionality. And about 50% of the animatronics were not working. It was kind of saddening to me that everything was so off.

I would really say that this ride needs an update, redo, or something to fix it. But - that said I would hate to see the Buzz Lightyear theme dropped. All the kids in our group loved the ride as they love the character. I would say seeing it get a treatment to be more like Toy Story Mania would be a good investment for Disney.

Under the Sea -
0-2 IMO to start our day. First off it's still a fun little quiet people mover story telling ride. But the lack of on board audio does not do this ride any favors as it was really had to understand anything being said in the transition moments. On top of that some of the mouths on animatronics were just not working. And lastly we had a couple of delays with the ride itself due to on-board/off-board assistance that was needed. So timing of audio and visual was off in a few spots, and I'll chalk it up to that.

This was a ride for the kids. It really was, but I just wish we didn't have to use one of our multiuse lightning lane for this ride.

After this ride we were already at about 11:45am and were getting ready for lunch.

Pinoccio Village Haus -
I feel bad saying this but other than the magical moment pictures the day was a bit of a whiff. We'll kind of. Mobile ordering was a savior here as it allowed us to go look for a seat rather than wait in line. I got the flat bread and it was incredibly bland.

Small nitpick here - but there was a family just 'hanging out' at the indoor tables. I politely asked to a table, they declined. They said they hang out at a table while they take shifts using fast passes and single rider for all the rides in the area. They were a family of 15. It was kind of disrespectful to send out groups of 4-6, while keeping their tables, not eating, just so a few of them could hang out in the AC. So over the half hour we were there I started to count. At some point all 15 left and came back after a ride. And they never had any food. Oh and it was a family, in my estimation, were all aged like 18-45. Looked somewhat like an adult cousins Disney trip.

Seven Dwarves Mine Train -
Wow. What a blast of a family coaster. So I'll be honest going in I was expecting much more swing to the cars. There really wasn't as much as I thought. It was very gentle, more like the sway of the car and track together created the normal banking on a coaster. The pacing is fantastic, especially since there's a drop out of the station, it makes the multiple lifts seem like good story telling breaks rather than design issues.

I was also really surprised how when you are on the ride the park almost disappears despite being surrounded by pathways. The work on the theme around this ride is just outstanding and the mix of screen, light, and animatronic is perfect. This has to be one of the best family friendly coasters I've had the pleasure of experiencing.

Story Time with Belle -
Ok lets start with the mundane. This is for kids 100%. It's a fun interactive story with Princess Belle. The soon to be niece was Beast in the story time and it was really cute. The cast member who was Belle was fantastic with the kids so I want to make sure the kudos went out to them.

But the real magic here is the mirror in the first room. IYKYK. It's the one thing that all of us adults could not shut up about the entire trip.

Space Mountain -
ItsBeen84Years.meme. Back to my first ever coaster. Man this is still so much fun and a crowd pleaser. Now there's nothing new to report on the ride experience, and more nitpicking, but this theme designs and the ride space need some loving.

Something unique about our ride I think though was it seemed as though the trims were turned off. We were HAULING through the course and had a lot of positive and negative G's from the speeds we were getting.

Monsters Inc Laugh Factory -
Meh, maybe our show was just low energy but even the kids were bored in this one. I'm also confused, they used the Mike W animation from Monsters U but referenced events from Monsters Inc? I dunno. Maybe I overthought that one.

Personally I think these shows need to start to have more variety or just get updated more often. In fact - overall the sit and interact screen attractions overall during this trip were all done with 2/3 full theaters the entire trip.

It's a Small World -
I wish the new version overseas with the projection technology would make it's way here. But I also love our 'antique' historical animatronics here. Other than getting to ride it with kids there's not much to say.

Tron -
Well the bad was right when I got there the ride broke down. But it gave me enough time to use the restroom, grab a Powerade. I didn't realize at this point how much I needed that hydration (despite all the water I was drinking).

But it got up and running again quickly. An interesting thing, and I want to know if this is just the Lightning Lane issue or if is an overall issue - does the queue just lack any theme elements? Going through Lightning Lane you go through a blue hallway to a room to get digitized (the doors never even fully closed), then to the double sided lockers, then right into the loading station. I got no story as to why I should be digitized, why I was in the LightCycle Arena.

As for the actual ride, loading and getting into the cycle was a little more clumsy than I expected. But I'm chalking that up to never having ridden something like this before. Once you are locked it it's a rather comfortable position to ride in if slightly awkward to try to look up more. The launch sequence is absolutely amazing, especially into that outdoor section. I mean you are HAULING through that part. It is much faster on ride than it looks off ride.

The actual show building is phenomenal. It's got a perfect mix of set pieces, lighting, darkness, and audio. Even the MCBR had something with it to make you have the sense of movement and things were still going strong. Man this entire ride just hits from the moment it starts moving to the disembarking. Oh and the picture/video you get? Best on ride photo setup I've ever seen.

Mickey's Cafe -
We did the buffet for dinner with characters. First off - there was a struggle to accommodate our reservation for a group of 11. Actually - this was a common theme when it came to group meals. They just weren't ready for us. And I get sometimes groups linger but if you are in as a reservation like that they shouldn't be asking you if you want to split up into 3 smaller tables. Especially the number of families that comes through. I get it if we didn't make a reservation.

The food was ok here. Everything had some flavor. But there's just a lack of variety. It was basically General Tso's, Turkey/Steak dinner, pasta dinner, salad. For as big as the buffet was, I was hoping for a few more options. I promise that my thoughts here did improve through my week, but so far my thoughts on where I ate were, don't go out of your way for these options.

Tiana's Bayou Adventure -
Pardon my language but what the fucking cluster fuck is this ride?!?

First off the queue now is themed to the bayou outside, then you are into the "house" that is themed to Tiana's kitchen, but then you are back outside and getting into the boats. No explanation, story building, or any of that is going on. Its like they made the queue be a bunch of pretty things with fake news articles, awards, and pictures. The queue also seems UNNECESSARILY long. When we walked by mid day heat it looked like no one was in line despite that app saying standby was a 75 minute wait.

Anyways then you get on the ride and you are going through Tiana's gardens. This seems like a promising start, like something exciting is going to happen. It's like the start of an adventure story. Awesome right? Nope. You hit the lift hill and the first animatronic WHICH IS ALREADY NOT WORKING tells you Tiana is going to make her special gumbo for a celebration but she needs your help finding a zygote band. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS GOING ON!

So now you start the small drops and scene finding. And as you go through each one, where by the way half the animatronics were old Splash Mountain ones reused and some were all new. It's jarringly bad since the new ones (Mostly the gator and Tiana) look so good and move so smooth compared to the old ones. But as you go through each scene they keep saying that each band has the sound? Like, I'm confused. How can everyone have the sound but you need to keep looking?!?

Then about 2/3 the way of this already way to long story that could have been an email you get to finally what should be the bad in the story to create drama. Nope the witch (sorry, never seen Princess and the Frog) instead is shrinking you to see the bug zygote band. At this point I'm losing my mind, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH THIS STORY?!? WHY THE HELL DID I NEED TO BE MADE SMALL!!!!!!!!!! Then at the final lift before you get made big you want to know why you go over the climax of the ride? YOU ARE BEING FUCKING MADE BIG AGAIN!

Jesus. What a mess of a ride. Disney needs to go back to the board on this. The story is about the biggest miss slapdash barely rewrite rush job to move off a troubled story that was there.

Fireworks -
Sorry I cant remember the name of this. But its a MUST DO.

Pirates of the Caribbean -
This is just a classic. I love it. Even with it's showing age. The changes that they have made are good and they did well in not making it too jarring. I'm going to be a bit nitpicking here, but the mix of old and new animatronics is odd to me. Like other rides with the same issue you can tell which ones are old and which ones are new. While I wish we could get some of the technology from overseas, at least just updating all the mechanics will be worth it.

Big Thunder Mountain -
Wow - just awesome night ride. If you can - do it. This was a perfect closer to the day. No notes. This ride is perfect. I really hope they don't try to do any Cars overlay when that comes because this is just such a great story to go off of.

So that closes day 1 of our time in Disney.

Coming up next: Epcot and drinking around the world.
 
Big Thunder Mountain -
Wow - just awesome night ride. If you can - do it. This was a perfect closer to the day. No notes. This ride is perfect. I really hope they don't try to do any Cars overlay when that comes because this is just such a great story to go off of.
I believe this is going to be closed soon to be fully retracked. No one even knows who is doing it because rumor is they are on the outs with Vekoma and the rumor is the SpiderMan coaster in China is Itamin.
 
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure -
Pardon my language but what the fucking cluster fuck is this ride?!?

First off the queue now is themed to the bayou outside, then you are into the "house" that is themed to Tiana's kitchen, but then you are back outside and getting into the boats. No explanation, story building, or any of that is going on. Its like they made the queue be a bunch of pretty things with fake news articles, awards, and pictures. The queue also seems UNNECESSARILY long. When we walked by mid day heat it looked like no one was in line despite that app saying standby was a 75 minute wait.

Anyways then you get on the ride and you are going through Tiana's gardens. This seems like a promising start, like something exciting is going to happen. It's like the start of an adventure story. Awesome right? Nope. You hit the lift hill and the first animatronic WHICH IS ALREADY NOT WORKING tells you Tiana is going to make her special gumbo for a celebration but she needs your help finding a zygote band. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS GOING ON!

So now you start the small drops and scene finding. And as you go through each one, where by the way half the animatronics were old Splash Mountain ones reused and some were all new. It's jarringly bad since the new ones (Mostly the gator and Tiana) look so good and move so smooth compared to the old ones. But as you go through each scene they keep saying that each band has the sound? Like, I'm confused. How can everyone have the sound but you need to keep looking?!?

Then about 2/3 the way of this already way to long story that could have been an email you get to finally what should be the bad in the story to create drama. Nope the witch (sorry, never seen Princess and the Frog) instead is shrinking you to see the bug zygote band. At this point I'm losing my mind, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH THIS STORY?!? WHY THE HELL DID I NEED TO BE MADE SMALL!!!!!!!!!! Then at the final lift before you get made big you want to know why you go over the climax of the ride? YOU ARE BEING FUCKING MADE BIG AGAIN!

Jesus. What a mess of a ride. Disney needs to go back to the board on this. The story is about the biggest miss slapdash barely rewrite rush job to move off a troubled story that was there.
Couldn’t agree with you more. Even if Splash Mountain never existed and this ride truly stood on its own, it would be disappointing.

My girlfriend, who had never ridden Splash Mountain and knew nothing about the controversy around Tiana’s Bayou Adventure or its predecessor — and therefore was completely unbiased — had this to say about the ride: “That was boring.” And it really is. It’s incredible how they made it possible for so little substance to happen on such a long, impressively constructed ride.

Like you said, they need to go back to the drawing board on this one. I’m talking the same mindset Disney adopted when they designed California Adventure V2 or when Universal had to go and re-redo their new Jurassic World: The Ride because first redo was so bad. I still believe The Princess and the Frog’s story/characters can work great on Splash Mountain’s ride system. But this execution ain’t it.
 
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Tron -
Well the bad was right when I got there the ride broke down. But it gave me enough time to use the restroom, grab a Powerade. I didn't realize at this point how much I needed that hydration (despite all the water I was drinking).

But it got up and running again quickly. An interesting thing, and I want to know if this is just the Lightning Lane issue or if is an overall issue - does the queue just lack any theme elements? Going through Lightning Lane you go through a blue hallway to a room to get digitized (the doors never even fully closed), then to the double sided lockers, then right into the loading station. I got no story as to why I should be digitized, why I was in the LightCycle Arena.
Yeah, it’s not just an issue with the lightning lane queue. There’s very little storyline or anything interesting to look at in the standby queue after the digitizing pre show. You go in the room where the coaster launches, then in another room full of switchback queues, then you get to the merge point with lighting lane with the lockers.

I wish I could love TRON, but other than the launch and light cycle seat design, it doesn’t do much for me.
 
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Couldn’t agree with you more. Even if Splash Mountain never existed and this ride truly stood on its own, it would be disappointing.

My girlfriend, who had never ridden Splash Mountain and knew nothing about the controversy around Tiana’s Bayou Adventure or its predecessor — and therefore was completely unbiased — had this to say about the ride: “That was boring.” And it really is. It’s incredible how they made it possible for so little substance to happen on such a long, impressively constructed ride.

Like you said, they need to go back to the drawing board on this one. I’m talking the same mindset Disney adopted when they designed California Adventure V2 or when Universal had to go and re-redo their new Jurassic World: The Ride because first redo was so bad. I still believe The Princess and the Frog’s story/characters can work great on Splash Mountain’s ride system. But this execution ain’t it.
AMEN!

The bolded is such a beautiful statement on this ride. Made so little substance happen for so long. I honestly don’t think I’ve said “what the fuck” so many times on one ride in my life. It’s sad that such a good “weenie” as Walt would call it went to such waste.
 
Why in the hell couldn't they have just told the story from the movie? You're literally floating through a swamp!!!
They specifically seem to have wanted to take the Dr. Facillier/Voodoo element out. Especially with such a large Hattian population in Orlando, they really wanted to be careful to not offend or use someone's religion as the "sinister" element on a ride. They didn't want to replace one racist/insensitive attraction with another.
 
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In that case, theme it around the swamp part, where she going through the swamp meeting all the critters, leaving off the voodoo aspect. Don't have to tell the entire movie, just the wetter parts of it.
 
Hi everyone!

Fresh off a week long trip to WDW, and wanted to do a report of everything I experienced in this trip. I'm going to do my best to be detailed and give each park/day it's own post to give it time to breath and to give some ability to converse on individual topics easier.

Starting my trip, it actually began before Disney. We flew into Miami on Sept 21st. We were supposed to see Weezer the Sunday before at the Wharf but through some issues we ended up missing it. So I surprised my fiance by changing flights, booking a hotel, renting a car for us to see Weezer at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood FL.

The concert was amazing. Weezer really brings it. If you are old enough to do casinos, Hard Rock is a good time. We had dinner a Kuro, which is a Japanese small plate concept dining. Everything is designed to eat as a shared plate and you are supposed to order as you go. It was OUTSTANDING! I highly recommend the oysters 3 ways and the Wagyu Beef plate.

Sunday we rented a convertible and made the 3 hour trek from Miami to Orlando. Now, they are more expensive, but I have nothing but great things to say about SIXT as a rental company. The BMW 4-series convertible was $180 one way, but it was meticulously detailed, low milage, and a mid level equipped ride (black car and black leather scared me, but it had ventilated A/C equipped seats!). Additionally there was no nickel and diming of fees and everything. The price they show you is the price all in. I made the switch after the $90 rental with Alamo then told me that i might not get the luxury car I wanted AND they showed me all the fees that made it actually be $265.

Onto Disney. We stayed at the Boat and Yacht Club, on the Boat side. The soon to be Sister in Law picked this location for the pool since we had 4 kids in the group between 5-10. Personally, I would have picked different resorts for the money on Disney's property, but we all have our different dials that get us to stay somewhere.

Let's start with the bad and get to the good.

Checking in was a mixed bag. The good is that with the new system you can check in, have your room number, and room key via your phone well before arriving. The fiance and I requested a room with a single king bed, and so did the soon to be MIL and FIL. But the SIL requested that we all end up close together, so it took longer to get a 4 room block, and those of us that wanted king beds ended up with 2 doubles instead. Disney should really look into making some setups where there are king size bed suites mixed in for situations like this. Another hiccup in the system was our travel agent put me as the "child" account when we booked, meaning I didn't have my own account. So when we showed up, by app didn't have access to a room key. The concierge, thankfully, was good at navigating this. I'm not sure what the issue was along the way, but it was annoying as it got me frustrated and my fiance frustrated that I couldn't just figure it out and needed to ask someone.

Beaches and Cream for dinner was rather - forgettable by the end of the trip. I had the Grilled Cheese and Tomato Cream soup. There was so much cream and basil in the soup, there was almost no tomato taste to it and it had the consistency of pudding. The grilled cheese part, while very messy, was also very good. I was rather disappointed in my meal at the end because of the combination of how bland everything was with how it didn't quite taste the way you would expect. It felt like it's meant to be a kid friendly dining but trying to be a little more "upscale" in presentation. Doesn't work. Just be a beachside like diner. Heck even my dessert, a root beer float, I expected something to be special about it. Maybe a home made ice cream or a hand mixed root beer. Nope. It tasted like something you could make at home by going to the grocery store.

Side note on dining - the fiance is gluten free. While Disney was incredibly accommodating - they will only do it as if it's an allergy, which made wait times on all our food about 50% longer than non-gluten free. They need to get better at having a middle ground on the gluten thing. The only way all our food got prepared is if the head chef for a spot did it and a manager delivered. Get me the option to have gluten free (but not allergic) just available on the menu to keep up pace. It created a few complaints from the group as we got slow service multiple times in the stay.

Martha's Vineyard bar became our sanctuary. It's not a full service bar (meaning they won't make you anything) but man the options are good. Our bartender the first night was amazing (JJ) as he constantly talked to everyone, even while making drinks, joked around and just made it a great experience. The Whiskey Breeze quickly became a go to drink for all of us in the group. As far as food goes, we got the Loaded Potato Barrels. Pretty standard potato skins but on tots instead of skins, the big part being it was house made cheese sauce and it was fantastic. The wings also get a thumbs up from us.

One other small complaint that came up later in the trip - but Disney's meal plan is both well defined and poorly explained. We got 1 snack, 1 quick service, and 1 sit down meal per day on property. Sounds clear right? Well the bar food counted as one of your sit down meals. And we didn't know that. Oh and in some cases you alcoholic beverage is covered, but other times its not included. It's kinda hit or miss. And then in some places (take my Whiskey Breeze) a drink is part of your meal, but in another place the same drink is not covered due to it being available but not a 'signature' drink for the eatery. It did take until the 3rd night of the trip when the 'host' for Martha's Vineyard explained it all to us that we realized we have been really messing up our meal plans. There was a few times we just said "sure" to using the meal plan at places we should not have done that (ie breakfasts from the marketplace are a quick service, but no one there told us that was a terrible value). They don't even do a good job marking what is what type of service, as it was up to us to figure out which was which.

Our end suggestion in the survey to Disney was to put symbols on everything. Create one for snack, one for quick service, and one for sit down. Put those symbols on the signs to the spot you are at. Or just train the F&B staff to be open about telling you if you are making a mistake or not. But we made too many mistakes where by the final day we had 6 quick services and 7 snacks to use, so it was a day full of eating. I would rather they did something like time frames - breakfast meal to use until 10:30, lunch from 11-3, dinner from 4-on; one of those meals each day can be a sit down service, then you get 1 snack to use outside of that. (To add to the confusion, some spots take two sit down meals to cover it on the plan, and it's in tiny print at the bottom of the menu).

Oh - last thing. We were a group of 11, so gratuity was always auto added at 18%, and it's not part of your dining plan, so it automatically goes on your credit card every time, so you have no option to cash tip when you are a bigger group. And even when we wanted to split out based on the families, it was still added on there automatically. We were all watching our credit card bills and it was crazy that it was $150-250 every day in tips that were on that.

A few thoughts.

The Beach Club pool is fantastic. I’m not sure if you checked it out, but it really is the best pool on property and only Beach Club and Yacht Club guests have access.

There are several full-service restaurants on property with several allergy-friendly options already identified on their menus. I’m not sure why they haven’t already done that for all of their dining locations.

The meal plan is never a good deal financially; the house always wins. (The exception is if you get it included free as part of a package that they run annually and even then it may be worse, because you can’t get a discount on the room.) The only reason I can see to get it is convenience and it appears that it no longer offers that either.
 
DAY 2 - EPCOT AKA Let's drink around the world, only after doing extra experiences

ROPE DROP -

Ugh. A rough experience. I'm used to rope drops meaning the time they say you can go is the time you can get in. Not with Disney. Nooooo. So we get to the security check at 7:20, the group being me, SIL, BIL, niece, and nephew. So after waiting in the horrible humidity until 7:30 we get through security and ticketing to be met with a rope at the international gateway bridge. Ok, this one drops at 8am. This area is shaded, not too bad from that standpoint but there's still no air movement and there's absurd humidity. Surely we should be able to go into the park at this time, right?

Nope! There's another rope at the entry to France. Oh and this one doesn't drop until 8:30! So for a half hour we are on the bridge to France, baking in the sun and humidity, with no venders selling water or breakfast, bathrooms really far away. Luckily with the kids we avoided meltdowns of how almost 1.5 hours of waiting. Other families not so lucky. Next part is do they allow someone to take the stroller up to stroller parking early just to have that out of the way? NOPE! So when the rope drops at 8:30 to get into line for Ratatouille there's a mad dash of mom's with kids (and uncles, aunts, gparents, ect) running to the queue while dad's go park the stroller and cut into line to catch up with the family.

Disney has really got to figure this out. By the time rope drop happened the line had gone all the way back to ticketing and we saw at least two people needed medical help for heat exhaustion already. Have some line entertainment, vendors, and maybe make rope drop have a little welcome show the last 10 minutes.

RATATOUILLE -
Let me start with this is my first experience with a trackless ride. And WOW this is such a cool technology. The way the cars dance around each other, interact with the sets and screens, just generally move is such a great experience in itself. The queue is wonderfully decorated (although we were walking at a great pace through it so it was hard to take in what was going on).

The ride itself is really great. There's a few really cool jump scare moments that aren't terrible for kids but make the ride all the more thrilling. Given how new this is I don't want to say what they were and ruin it. I really think Disney went into Universals house of 3D screen rides, kicked their ass, and took their lunch money. The combination of movement, set, screens, and how they worked into the story was so much better.

FROZEN EVER AFTER -
I know these are two of the more popular newer rides in Disney but for rope dropping early entry, its rough to have two rides so far apart with NOTHING OPEN. Mind you on the paths this is a 3/4 mile walk with no bathrooms, drinks, food, anything. Again, this is a spot where I'm really going to knock Disney big time. At least in Universal when early entry rope drop happens for the Harry Potter lands, they open everything in the area.

Ok - now that I got that rant out of me, let us pour one out for our fallen friend Malstrom.

So the queue overlay to be Frozen is ok. It mostly looks like they just replaced paper items with Frozen rather than general Norwegian posters. They also just kinda stuffed Frozen stuff where they could. The village queue space looks reworked to me and somehow smaller. Maybe I'm just bigger. But it again looks like Malstrom with Frozen themed signs put over it. I wish they made this area look brighter and more lively like Arendelle does in the movie.

Again, like Magic Kingdom rides that got redone, the ride system is unchanged. And I like that. A gentle boat ride with small thrilling elements is nice. The story sorta makes sense here, but there's no real climax. As a kid, the troll scene of Malstrom was terrifying and the story of encountering them was strong. With Frozen you get the "Let it Go" moment (which took away the coolest moment of Malstrom for me of interacting with the opening to outside) but then there's no reason other than her pushing you away. I really wish at this point they did something with the story of being separated from Anna, Elsa didn't know you were coming, so she's pushing you away due to that. Because at that point you interact with Marshmellow, but there's nothing more to it IMO than shoehorning a character into the ride.

The new face projection technology they have is really really good. It makes the characters more believable. But - they need to find a way to improve the lighting at the edges to not make it so jarring that it is a projection. As the niece said "why does Elsa's makeup look terrible".

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY -
So once again hustling because at this point it's 10:10 ALREADY and we're in the last 10 minutes of the virtual queue window for GotG.

First off I'm going to commend Disney with having a GREAT child swap setup. You go up to the LL people, tell them you have a child swap. Whoever is staying behind gets a LL pass loaded onto their Magic Band for that window you are there for. Then you wait outside with the kids while the others go through the line you are allowed into. Everywhere else we've been makes you go through the line with the kids, wait until the one parent rides and gets off, then the other one goes on that train.

The queue is fantastic. Not only is it well done to be futuristic and make the movie Xandar come to life, it's also FILLED with Epcot and horizons easter eggs. It's well done to make the entire queue be more of a Xandarian Outpost. The pre-show rooms are really good, with my only issue being that they push you all the way into the room and by going all the way up to where you need to, you can't see the full screen. I'll get more into it in a second but small groups and keeping you a littler further back would be a great move for them.

There's two pre-show rooms to go through. Really good and fits the story of the ride really well. BUT, the way you move through the queue after the second preshow is a little clunky. It's just 3 sets of doors with no organization dumping everyone into a single queue, which by the time you get to the platform, the cast members are unhappy you aren't single file. Your fault Disney. That's the disorganized part. Then there's the sense of emergency fail. The reason for the ride is there's an emergency to get to the escape pods. And when the doors open the line is still about another 10 minutes until you are actually boarded. Hence my call for smaller groups, so you can move faster through this part of the queue and heighten the sense of urgency.

Ok, the ride itself. Wow. The prelaunch is good, though the reasoning for the launch is a little lost. Because this ride is so new, I'm going to put the actual ride experience in spoilers for those that don't want to know:
So the backwards launch is well done. The way you spun leading into it doesn't make it obvious that you will be launching backwards. Once you are in the gravity building it's AMAZING. The movement of the ride is so well controlled it's hard to look around the show building to see what's around you and what's coming. They did an amazing job with the engineering of the ride to keep your focus on the sets.

That's always been my issue with indoor coasters with theme sets, is that you can't always take in what's going on because of the way the ride moves. And an added bonus, the movement of the cars actually helps you not get any nausea based on helping you focus. Also this ride has no chill. You are moving through the relatively long course.
For our ride we got Duran Duran's "I Ran" and it was so well timed to the ride. The energy was just so great. SIL and BIL got Earth Wind and Fire's "September". If you didn't know the other ones are "Disco Inferno" (Trammps), "Conga" (Miami Sound Machine), "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" (Tears for Fears), "One Way or Another" (Blondie). After being on the ride, I suggest they dump Conga and pick a different Tears for Fears song. I would say putting a Jackson 5 song and "Shout".

TURTLE TALK WITH CRUSH -
Ok, what is there to say here. It's just a good wholesome time. Our cast member must have been new because they weren't that great at interacting with Crush yet. I like this one more than the Laugh Factory as far as interactions go, and wish they had more theaters for it so it could go on longer than it did.

GARDEN GRILL -
So we did lunch here. Other than having to sit separated (again I'm going to knock them for knowing it's going to be larger groups yet unable to accommodate) this was really nice. But it need to be updated. So I'm going to start with the just me part - I got very nauseous during lunch with the slow movement like that. But I don't want them to take away from the experience. Not too sure what to suggest as the way to fix that.

The food here was FANTASTIC. Do not sleep on the chimmichurri beef. I mean just first well done extremely flavorful meal of the trip. And I really like the family style service. It worked out well. We finished off our first skillet of food and they brought out an extra one. The Mango-Orange Adult Beverage was so refreshing and necessary at this point of the day.

SOARING -
I'm not too sure much more needs to be said about it. Maybe it's time for a new video. But it's a fun ride system. It really was my first experience with the system. Definitely preferred over other simulator rides. But I think it's starting to show it's age from a video standpoint.

WAY OF THE WATER WITH MOANA -
This is such a cool instillation. Every stop along the path has ways to interact with the water. It does a fantastic job of being educational and interactive. Other than being I{ based it really does seem like something that could have been with Epcot from day 1. I know not everyone liked it being added because you lose one of the World Celebration buildings, but - it was a worth it change. In fact, that whole side feels so much bigger an more open. The side by GotG and Mission Space now feels so tight and cramped by comparison. It doesn't help that Test Track is under refurbishment (again) and Wonders of Life pavilion is for events.

INTERJECTION -
Epcot feels like it's really becoming the 'stepchild' of WDW and it's kind of sad. I feel like they really struggle in this park with spacing and size scale. I know there's a lot of differing opinions as to what needs to be done with it, but I'm going to put this forward:
The front pavilion needs to be 'future proofed' to some degree with the way that GotG worked out well. It fits the original concept of the pavilion of being about energy, but making it something that it's going to be outdated. So I know that the whole idea is a world's fair like feeling, but they should really go with a Sci-Fi fair feeling. The constant closures and unused 'countries' in world showcase really are not helping Epcot.

I'm not going to go as far as drop other projects, close Epcot for a year, and go 100% at it; but I feel like I'm a lot closer to that option than doing what they have been. The difference I felt at MK and HS was that work being done was out of the way, especially since the things I saw getting work done have a queue that pull the ride area far from wandering eyes.

THE SEAS WITH NEMO AND FRIENDS -
Ok, this is really cool and fun for kids. The screen and ride interaction is really cool. But what was a lot of fun is the end when the screens are integrated into the tank. We were not expecting that at all and if it weren't for seeing the scuba driver in the water I might not have known. Other than that not too much to say to be honest.

At this point the kids with their parents wanted to do Living with the Land and look more at the aquariums. The Fiance and MIL/FIL and I decided to split off and go get a drink while we waited for them.

NOW FOR THE MAIN EVENT: DRINKING AROUND THE WORLD -
CANADA -

I started boring here with just having a beer in Canada. Just a nice little base layer to get things going smoothly for the rest of the day.

Also, I know more people start in Mexico. The MIL/FIL were taking the Nieces and Nephews to the pool and this was closer to the gateway to let them out.

ENGLAND -
Johnny Walker Blue Label. What? I'm a whiskey/scotch guy and this is normally $100 a pour and it was $41 at Disney.

FRANCE -
Ice Cream Martini. Oh my got this was special. We did vanilla and caramel in ours. This was really good. I know everyone goes back by Ratatouille now for that drink, but get this. Trust me.

MOROCCO -
A bulk of our group got the vodka drinks. I went for the blood orange mimosa. I feel the great part of World Showcase is just asking when you have options. I was really happy with my Mimosa as it was a good twist and I love a good blood orange.

JAPAN -
After whiffing while walking through the Mitsukoshi Department Store, we ended up finding the Sake bar and getting a glass of Sake each. It was ok, I've had better sake.

AMERICA -
We had a beer flight you can get anywhere. Next.

ITALY -
We stopped in Tutto Gusto and got a red sangria, white sangria, and aperol spritz. All good. All very refreshing up to this point.

GERMANY -
We stopped here and got the Dunkel along with a standard Lager from Germany. I think at this point beer was a bad idea. It sat like lead in our stomachs. However, the Dunkel wasn't bad as far as dark beers. It was lighter than expected.

CHINA -
Ok, here's our controversial one. When we stopped here we got Tipsy Duck which is bourbon, black tea, coffee, cream, and chocolate. I LOVED this drink. No one else did. Everyone thought it had a funny taste. I just kept drinking the whole thing. It kinda tasted like I put my happy juice into a starbucks drink.

I started getting tipsy at this point so some of this is fuzzy notes.

NORWAY -
Again maybe controversial but we got the Troll Kream. A Cranberry/Vanilla frozen drink topped with rum. This was deemed the winner of drinking around the world. Sadly I only got one sip as it got passed around the group.

MEXICO -
We did it Joe!

We made it. At this point I was in a dead sprint to make it to a stand for a drink. I got to Choza De Margarita and got us the Winnie the Pooh and a Jalepeno margarita and a Michelada. Now - Since my fiance works for them, the Michelada was done wrong. It was Dos Equis not Modelo. The Margaria got messed up as the Jalepeno was made with lime salt and the Winnie the Pooh with Tajin. I'm not a Tequila guy but I tried them both and they were weeeeeeeaaaaaaaakkkkkkkk.

So after all of that we got back to Boat club and - drank more Whiskey Breezes.
 
The Beach Club pool is fantastic. I’m not sure if you checked it out, but it really is the best pool on property and only Beach Club and Yacht Club guests have access.
This will get covered in my Wednesday part of the trip. Great pool even if parts were closed.
There are several full-service restaurants on property with several allergy-friendly options already identified on their menus. I’m not sure why they haven’t already done that for all of their dining locations.

The meal plan is never a good deal financially; the house always wins. (The exception is if you get it included free as part of a package that they run annually and even then it may be worse, because you can’t get a discount on the room.) The only reason I can see to get it is convenience and it appears that it no longer offers that either.
This all was likely my "saddest" part of the trip. It seemed as though uniformity on dining was absent and lead to a lot of confusion. We ended up doing it because of the convenience we thought it would offer and it made it easier to tell the kids "no" as that all they got in a day. Made it easier to say weren't going to stop for every snack and drink they saw.
 
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Thinking about your room situation, especially since your were already staying at Beach and Yacht, you probably should have booked villas instead of regular rooms. They are much better set up for large parties.

It is interesting how different my EPCOT experiences are. First, Guardians is my number one coaster. I don’t care that the preshow is pointless and the story incoherent. The ride is simply amazing, and having experienced all of the song options, they all work really well (no need to change any of them). BTW, I Ran is by Flock of Seagulls. Also, I’ve never had any problem in the final queue. Every time I’ve ridden it, it has been single file past the first ramp.

The Land is one of my favorite rides and I never skip it, especially during events when it has charming overlays. I find the Nemo ride annoying as shit, however.

Did you ride Spaceship Earth? I love that, too. And I adore Figment, although they destroyed his ride.

What EPCOT needs is the murdered Mary Poppins ride. And a new Imagination ride. And an indoor event pavilion.
 
NTERJECTION -
Epcot feels like it's really becoming the 'stepchild' of WDW and it's kind of sad. I feel like they really struggle in this park with spacing and size scale. I know there's a lot of differing opinions as to what needs to be done with it, but I'm going to put this forward:
The constant closures and unused 'countries' in world showcase really are not helping Epcot.
Epcot's my favorite park, and probably a lot of other "too online" people around my age feel that way too. That said, it could use some themed family flats and a family coaster. Around the countries, they could use a flat ride or two - give me Goofy's Oktoberfest with a Wave Swinger or a proper Mary Poppins carousel with a perpetual 10 minute wait, please!

On the coaster front, Cosmic Rewind has 42-inch height requirement and Test Track (while not a true coaster) is 40, but it still feels like there's a need for a less-thrilling ride. Compare that to The Barnstormer's 35-inch or Seven Dwarfs 38-inch height, those rides feel a lot more kid-friendly and tame/approachable for younger riders. Seems easy enough to squeeze one into the park as a more minor attraction, since a lot of the larger rides get longer waits.
 
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So the queue overlay to be Frozen is ok. It mostly looks like they just replaced paper items with Frozen rather than general Norwegian posters. They also just kinda stuffed Frozen stuff where they could. The village queue space looks reworked to me and somehow smaller. Maybe I'm just bigger. But it again looks like Malstrom with Frozen themed signs put over it. I wish they made this area look brighter and more lively like Arendelle does in the movie.

Again, like Magic Kingdom rides that got redone, the ride system is unchanged. And I like that. A gentle boat ride with small thrilling elements is nice. The story sorta makes sense here, but there's no real climax. As a kid, the troll scene of Malstrom was terrifying and the story of encountering them was strong. With Frozen you get the "Let it Go" moment (which took away the coolest moment of Malstrom for me of interacting with the opening to outside) but then there's no reason other than her pushing you away. I really wish at this point they did something with the story of being separated from Anna, Elsa didn't know you were coming, so she's pushing you away due to that. Because at that point you interact with Marshmellow, but there's nothing more to it IMO than shoehorning a character into the ride.
Fun fact, Maelstrom didn’t have a village queue — its queue was much shorter and just went through a mostly unthemed hallway. The Frozen village queue is a modification of the old Maelstrom unload area. The ride system was also “changed” in that they replaced the old loading area with an additional show by combining the load and unload areas. I agree with everything else you said about Frozen though!

Also @warfelg you have committed a grave thoosie sin by apparently skipping Living with the Land and Spaceship Earth… Repent! :p
 
Wait. Did you skip Haunted Mansion and Jungle Cruise?
Jungle Cruise is closed and Haunted Mansion or Big Thunder was the decision.

Also @warfelg you have committed a grave thoosie sin by apparently skipping Living with the Land and Spaceship Earth… Repent! :p
We did spaceship earth! Well. I did. And in a choice of Blue Label or Living with the Land…well I’m over 21 😆
 
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I suggest they dump Conga and pick a different Tears for Fears song. I would say putting a Jackson 5 song and "Shout".
Agree with Conga, but Everybody Wants to Rule the World is THE SONG to get on that ride. I am not sure what it is but when I rode it with that song I had so much emotion come over me and it felt like I was riding that roller coaster in slow motion like a cool 80s montagey type moment. I really did not want it to end because of that introspective moment.

September is the 2nd best song because it turns the song into like a party ride.

It amazing how every song brings something different to make the ride different.
 
Thinking about your room situation, especially since your were already staying at Beach and Yacht, you probably should have booked villas instead of regular rooms. They are much better set up for large parties.
Just seeing this one - we talked about it, but for the soon to be MIL and FAL and me and the fiance we decided that separate rooms was a little better.
It is interesting how different my EPCOT experiences are. First, Guardians is my number one coaster. I don’t care that the preshow is pointless and the story incoherent. The ride is simply amazing, and having experienced all of the song options, they all work really well (no need to change any of them). BTW, I Ran is by Flock of Seagulls. Also, I’ve never had any problem in the final queue. Every time I’ve ridden it, it has been single file past the first ramp.

The Land is one of my favorite rides and I never skip it, especially during events when it has charming overlays. I find the Nemo ride annoying as shit, however.

Did you ride Spaceship Earth? I love that, too. And I adore Figment, although they destroyed his ride.

What EPCOT needs is the murdered Mary Poppins ride. And a new Imagination ride. And an indoor event pavilion.
It's so funny. My opinion is Epcot is really different based on who you are with. With kids, I got rather bored. And with adults it was so much more fun.

I was maybe a little more critical of Epcot than I needed to be. I still adore it as my favorite park in the chain.
 
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