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This thread is to discuss the need for new park leadership at BGW. Kevin is not cutting it.

I have had a few opportunities to meet him in person, and everytime he has come across with a lack of authenticity and the parks current state reflects this.

In my opinion BGW deserves an enthusiast level Park President.

Kevin may be well liked by corporate for his ability to cut a budget, but it’s disgraceful how our beloved park has plummeted in every measure-able category.

Customer service, food quality, Operations, New Attractions have all gone down hill. This is absolutely unacceptable.

We need a new President.
 
You have no idea how much local park management has shielded BGW from some of United Park's worst tendencies.

This is a "be careful what you wish for" situation.
How is it Seaworld Orlando seems to run so much better? How do we put pressure on the parent company?

The one thing I’ll give current leadership credit for is preserving Loch Ness Monster. Otherwise even the last 2 years alone I’ve noticed a massive falloff. I say this as a sad frequent guest of the park that also formerly worked there under Anheiser Busch. I don’t want to have to stop going, but I’m really feeling left with no choice.
 
How is it Seaworld Orlando seems to run so much better?

I'd argue that it isn't run better at all. That said, even if I were to bite the bullet and agree that it is, SeaWorld Orlando is the flagship—headquarters is right there. If (and again, I very much believe this isn't true) SeaWorld Orlando were run better than BGW, that would be super reasonable and, frankly, expected.

We see all the issues with our home park because we know it so well. My experiences at the other United Parks properties have consistently been notably worse than my experiences at BGW lately though. I'd personally argue that SWO and BGT have both fallen much, much further than BGW.

Even putting aside sister park comparisons though, I don't think people realize just how much BGW could lose if local management wasn't fighting for the park. The continued, consistent, free operation of our Railroad, Skyride, and Rhine River Cruise are all entirely unparalleled in this chain for a reason. It's not luck, it's because there are folks in BGW management who keep these things alive.

I'm not saying things are good, but trust me, they could be a whole hell of a lot worse—and I'd take the current park leadership over most anyone else right now.

How do we put pressure on the parent company?

The only thing they care about is profit. The easy answer is to stop going, but, if people did that on any notable scale, realistically, they'd just further defund the park.

The real, best answer in my opinion is to be conscious of where at BGW you're spending your time and money and what those turnstile clicks and dollars are conveying to United Parks. If you want more themed entertainment experiences, you gotta spend on Hideaway visits. You want more good shows? You gotta fill seats at Celtic Fyre. You want more thematic overhauls of existing attractions? You gotta ride Nessie and buy merch. Those numbers enable local management to make a robust case to corporate to allow them to keep doing what we want instead of what the bean counters in Orlando think [insert generic mental image of a wall street investor's vision of a standard amusement park guest is] wants.

People are watching. Some of this has, legitimately, begun to work. There's a reason why BGW's 2025 project is among the CHAIN'S best themed coasters ever. That didn't just come out of nowhere.
 
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Genuinely curious in what ways you feel SWO is better run bc during my most recent it felt like a step down from BGW in just about everything besides pure line-up.
Coaster operations, rides open when the park opens. New Unique and headlining roller coasters (pipeline is awesome).

I’m not a fan of the choice of two back to family coasters. BGW is still missing a crown jewel coaster like BGT Iron Gwazi, our RMC Drachen Fire or even Drachen Spire could have been the ride we needed.
 
How is it Seaworld Orlando seems to run so much better? How do we put pressure on the parent company?
While I agree that BGW may have been slipping on some things in recent memory, I also disagree that they haven’t done anything good. I’m super impressed with the development of BBW and just as impressed with the seemingly increasing (?) entertainment budget. We’re clearly far from BGW’s golden era, but it’s unfair to deem the park in disrepair.

In comparison, you mentioned that SWO operates better than BGW; I think you are very wrong. In fact, I’ve been to every single SeaWorld operated park and with Bias aside BGW is operated 10x better than even SeaWorlds best. BGW isn’t always perfect, but spend a few days at BGT or any of the SeaWorld parks and experience the vastly different experiences they offer on a day to day basis.
 
Also… the park was closed Saturday for weather which they often use as an excuse. In my opinion, they should be going the extra mile the day after, more staff, more rides. They just saved a day of costs!
 
Coaster operations, rides open when the park opens. New Unique and headlining roller coasters (pipeline is awesome).

I’m not a fan of the choice of two back to family coasters. BGW is still missing a crown jewel coaster like BGT Iron Gwazi, our RMC Drachen Fire or even Drachen Spire could have been the ride we needed.
1. Coaster operations entirely come down to the team members and what the locations goals are for the attractions. Different attractions have different targets to hit, as well as limitations on how that can be hit.

2. Rides are staggered openings due to maintenance schedules, staff in times, guest flow not reaching back there just yet, or due to technical issues that are beyond the control of the rides team.

3. New and unique? I’d count the following as new and unique: Darkoaster, indoor family multilaunch, with a bypass track to allow a double lap without requiring passing through the station. Pantheon, a multilaunch swing launch with a reverse spike that is only found overseas in that style. The Wolf’s Revenge, a family inverted coaster from B&M, only the second in the entire country that pays tribute to the original ride.

4. Crown jewel rides? I’d argue we have several contenders—Griffon, Nessie, Verbolten, Pantheon & Apollo all come to mind.
Also… the park was closed Saturday for weather which they often use as an excuse. In my opinion, they should be going the extra mile the day after, more staff, more rides. They just saved a day of costs!
Maintenance schedules make this damn near impossible to do. They can’t just add rides that wouldn’t have been operating on a whim, as after annual maintenance periods, assuming the attraction has been handed back over to Park Ops, requires state mandated commissioning hours to certify the ride to run for the year.
It’s not that they don’t want to—it’s that they legally can’t.
 
As a former Apollo operator I understand they can not randomly bring rides online. They can put in extra effort to get staff to the park early ensuring rides are running smoothly by opening.

Another Annoying detail just from today’s visit alone, when the park opens at noon and people started to head through the train starts to depart the gates come down the crowd has to wait and the empty train takes off. It stops in Festa. When pantheon is not operating I go to ride the train and I’m told I can’t ride it until it comes around again, so it hasn’t even taken its maintenance lap. That maintenance lap should’ve occurred before guests we’re ever even in the park. These are the kind of operations mistakes that are nothing but the blame of leadership. Little details are what makes a great visit.

We need a new president now.
 
Somehow I think that's a budgeting issue more than anything else, and not one set at the local level.

PRKS gives each park a certain budget for maintenance hours among other things, and that's probably based on some corporate bean-counter working through what the minimal staffing cost needs to be to maximize profit while maintaining safety standards - hopefully with some local park input (Kevin and/or others) to give some wiggle room or hours for lower priority projects. Then the park has to figure out how to maximize that budget to get things done in a timely manner.

If this is remotely true, then perhaps they're delaying some morning maintenance operations to reduce hours spent during non-peak seasons to leave more for later in the year.
 
This thread is to discuss the need for new park leadership at BGW. Kevin is not cutting it.

I have had a few opportunities to meet him in person, and everytime he has come across with a lack of authenticity and the parks current state reflects this.

In my opinion BGW deserves an enthusiast level Park President.

Kevin may be well liked by corporate for his ability to cut a budget, but it’s disgraceful how our beloved park has plummeted in every measure-able category.

Customer service, food quality, Operations, New Attractions have all gone down hill. This is absolutely unacceptable.

We need a new President.
I have been to several Q&As that Kevin has hosted and found him to give refresh honest and frank answers to questions and complaints. Local park leadership has done their best to support the park and shield it from some of corporates decisions but they often have at least one hand tied behind their backs when dealing with these things. Believe me we are far better off with Kevin then some of the corporate yes men that could be put in place if he leaves.
 
As a former Apollo operator I understand they can not randomly bring rides online. They can put in extra effort to get staff to the park early ensuring rides are running smoothly by opening.

Another Annoying detail just from today’s visit alone, when the park opens at noon and people started to head through the train starts to depart the gates come down the crowd has to wait and the empty train takes off. It stops in Festa. When pantheon is not operating I go to ride the train and I’m told I can’t ride it until it comes around again, so it hasn’t even taken its maintenance lap. That maintenance lap should’ve occurred before guests we’re ever even in the park. These are the kind of operations mistakes that are nothing but the blame of leadership. Little details are what makes a great visit.

We need a new president now.
And speaking as a former lead for Area 4 rides, and as a former operator for Area 2 rides, I’m going to address a couple of your complaints.

For the train, there’s 2 things. One, the people who are opening at whatever station it is they’re opening at, have to walk all the way to their station before the train can even start its opening cycle lap. Second, often times the stops are to ensure everything at each station is working as intended—signals, gates, etc. Those things are manually controlled with the exception of the gates lowering as a train is entering the station. I will also note that maintenance does their own lap—but as I state earlier, the operations team must do their own, and it takes significantly longer to do that because of how long the hike to stations is, and that’s not including if they have to do track cleaning before they open. If they’re doing track cleaning, tack another 20-30 minutes onto the opening time. The reason you have to wait until the train returns to festa the second time is because the leads cannot sign off on the opening paperwork until the train makes a full and complete lap.

Two—the staffing issue. If they were to do as you suggest, be fully ready before the park even opens, many places would be getting scheduled for up to potentially 1 or even 2 hours before opening. When most attractions only need around 20 minutes to do their opening procedures. So often times crews are due in around 30 minutes before their location opens for the day. Doing what you suggested would leave crews running the clock not actually running said rides. I mentioned the staggered openings thing before in my last post, and this is one way they combat the staffing and maintenance things. Staggering the openings of lands and attractions makes maintenance’s job easier as they can work from what opens first to what opens last, and for park ops it makes labor budgets easier to manage.

No matter how early you bring staff in try and ensure stuff is running smoothly for the attractions, rides after all are machines and computers. They can have issues at any moment in time. Pantheon often is ready with the area, but due to the fact that Pantheon is very tech heavy, it can often see delayed openings because something comes up just before opening time or during a test cycle.

These kind of things are not in leaderships hands—but corporate’s. Leadership is just doing the best with what they’re given, which is unfortunately, a shitty hand. And for what it’s worth, that train thing? That’s a normal occurrence. Same deal with the Skyride—In fact, the maintenance green tagging process isn’t even done until opening cycles are about 3/4 of the way done, as maintenance has to be present to see the cabins fully cycle through at least once. Trust me, Kevin is very much doing just fine. Might I add he was the one who pushed through the Burgermeister’s Hideaway stuff? That was done almost exclusively at the park level with corporate pretty much just green lighting the idea. I’d rather have Kevin as our park president than the former BGT park president—who was more or less just a puppet for corporate. That’s why BGT sucks a lot—there’s not many people there trying to protect their park from United Parks Corporate stupidity, because the top dog doesn’t even do it.

Trust me, if Kevin had his way, Roman Rapids waterfalls would’ve been back when the ride reopened, DarKoaster would have double the onride theming, Verbolten’s theming would still work and inside wouldn’t be just be coaster in a box. Pantheon would’ve gotten more theming. Staffing would be better. You get the idea. Kevin genuinely cares about the park, but he’s limited but corporate’s insanely greedy, money hungry suits. Corporate tightened down labor budgets like crazy a while back, basically only allowing minimal staffing with the tiniest bit of wiggle room. They also capped out labor hours in a set day for different locations and such too. They created the bullshit surcharge (they didn’t need it, their merch and food is insanely priced as it is), degraded the guest experience, and more as “cost cutting measures”. Kevin 100% was against all of those so called cost cutting measures. Be thankful what we currently have is all that’s happened. If corporate had their way, BGW would be WAY worse than it is now.
 
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