It looks like surveyors have been spotted in the former Goliath plot of land. This could be for a new 2025 attraction.
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News Six Flags New England Project 2025: Quantum Accelerator (Intamin Multi-Launch Straddle Coaster)
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What ever they add, I see this being a full redo of crackaxle canyon! This area went from being the best area in the park when goliath was operating to an abandoned wasteland after it was removed. The park is trying to make upgrades to have guest come back over there like the addition of new lights and a sound track on the bumper cars, but that's just not enough. I can the park removing rock n' rodeo and putting a zamplera nebulza in its spot. That plot can easily be expended to accommodate a ride like that.
I'm torn here because I really want the park to get the launch coaster it needs and deserves, but i also feel like it'll be a mini dive coaster. Both choices i'm ok with ultimately. If it is a dive though, it's going to be a very long time until we receive a launch coaster.
I'm torn here because I really want the park to get the launch coaster it needs and deserves, but i also feel like it'll be a mini dive coaster. Both choices i'm ok with ultimately. If it is a dive though, it's going to be a very long time until we receive a launch coaster.
SFNE desprately needs a launch coaster. An Intamin vertical LSM launch coaster or a Blitz would either be great options.
Personally I can see the park getting one of three rides in the goliath plot. A raptor, a launched coaster, or a dive. Personally, I would only want to see a launch coaster, the other two options are very possible to happen. I have heard rumors that pre covid, sfne was going to in fact get a raptor in the spot of goliath, but you know how that went.
The old Goliath plot of land looks compact enough for a RMC single rail on the scale of Stunt Pilot or RailBlazer. But it's imprtant to note that SFNE is lacking a launch coaster in their lineup. Since SF is working with Intamin again, there's a chance that they'll receive the Hot Racer model.
I wonder if this is the mysterious “American” raptor project that RMC has listed on their website. A raptor would fit in perfectly into Goliath’s plot of land.
was it wonder Woman from six flags fiesta Texas proposed to open here before they picked six flags fiesta texas for it or some other rmc raptor that was planned but didn't happened but six flags new england still planning for it
The Agawam Planning Board meeting is August 1st.
1. SITE PLAN – 1623 Main Street – Six Flags New England, Inc
https://www.agawam.ma.us/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_08012024-1991
1. SITE PLAN – 1623 Main Street – Six Flags New England, Inc
https://www.agawam.ma.us/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_08012024-1991
First and foremost, I want to thank @MaxxForceFan for spotting and sharing the existence of that Agawam Planning Board meeting agenda. So often, knowing there's something to go and file for is the most significant hurdle to actually publishing on these projects. The likelihood that I would have checked Agawam's planning agenda this month is slim to none so @MaxxForceFan deserves a ton of appreciation for spotting the thing that got this ball rolling!
Anyway, right after seeing @MaxxForceFan's post above, I fired a FOIA over to Agawam, MA in hopes of obtaining the site plan before the August 1st meeting. Shockingly (and thankfully!), Agawam responded to my Freedom of Information Act request first thing Monday morning. Unfortunately, that blew up my plans for the day. Fortunately, that's a problem for future Zachary, not current Zachary.
As has become normal 'round here, the first thing I did after receiving the docs was to send copies of the site plans over to @CoasterMac in case he wanted to take a stab at a 3D mockup in NoLimits. Incredibly, within the span of 24 hours, @CoasterMac (ML Designs) managed to turn around not only a full NoLimits model of the coaster as we are currently envisioning it, but he also got a video filmed and uploaded of it too! Before we get to our forecast though, let's look at what we have.
Right off the bat, you can probably tell this site plan is FAR easier to interpret than most we deal with. Footers are clearly marked and numbered, the track centerline throughout the entire course is displayed, actual track segments are expressly depicted, we have a full station and queue plan to work with, and attraction theming locations are even marked! Having spent the last few days pouring over Busch Gardens Williamsburg site plans (a park which has learned to omit everything they can possibly get away with), this is a very refreshing sight. Because we're starting with so much information, I can just trace things in this plan out and tell you with 100% certainty that the graphic below represents an accurate, top-down depiction of Six Flags New England's 2025 coaster. There's literally zero analysis needed to move from the site plan above to the image below.
There's no need to dwell on the image above for too long. I'm basically only including it in this post so that you can see just how much of what we're working with is directly shown in the documents themselves. Also, don't feel like you need to understand everything you're looking at yet—I've got graphics for that.
First, let's zoom in a bit and add supports. Supports aren't depicted in the plans, but the footers are numbered so we can confirm footer pairs and order. Most of the supports are pretty easy to deduce, but there is a bit of analysis involved when we get to cross-overs. The foggiest portions supports-wise are areas where there are long spans over other track segments or buildings. I have guestimated what these might look like in my support mockup, but they shouldn't be taken as absolute gospel.
With our supports estimated, lets talk a bit about where this coaster is going. This full-circuit multi-launch coaster is being built on what Six Flags New England currently calls Crackaxle Commons—better known as the former home of the Vekoma Giant Inverted Boomerang, Goliath. An image of the area in question from Bing Maps is included below.
With the placement in mind, lets clean up our site plan and add some location context info.
So, what's up with all the color coding on the buildings? Light blue structures are existing structures while the others are all new. Here's a graphic explaining the new and updated buildings around the site.
And what about the track? It's probably pretty self-explanatory, but just in case:
So, that's the site plan figured out, but what's the actual coaster make and model?
Within minutes of looking at the plan, @CoasterMac and I were pretty certain that we were lookin' at an Intamin Family Launch Coaster—often referred to as an Intamin straddle coaster. Some current, domestic examples of this coaster model include Wave Breaker at SeaWorld San Antonio and Arctic Rescue at SeaWorld San Diego.
ParkFans has leaked two of these Intamin Family Launch Coasters now so we'd like to think we know a thing or two about them. Everything we see in these SFNE 2025 plans matches docs we have for other coasters of this same model to a tee. I won't bore you with all the details this time, but some telltale aspects of this plan that communicate that it's an Intamin and/or straddle coaster include the footer design and depiction, the foundation spacing, the track segments depicted, and the station plan. Speaking of the station plan...
The station area plan shows that we should expect this coaster to run eight car trains. Assuming our analysis is correct regarding coaster type, this would mean a per-cycle capacity of 16 riders. The station area plan above also provides a great look at the guest flow planned through the area. There are dedicated queues for general riders, single riders, and FlashPass. The main ride queue is mostly covered and housed within the former Goliath station building. You can also see areas set aside in the building for "theming elements." Over in the station, you can also see that exiting riders will need to utilize a staircase that crosses over the back of the station back to the entrance side to provide access to the "All Rider Exit" ramp. One side effect of this exit staircase is that a separate entrance side ADA Exit has had to be designed into the load platform.
So now, with the 2D, top-down layout explained, the supports estimated, the make and model almost certainly solved, and the train length figured out, let's take a look at @CoasterMac's NoLimits mockup! Naturally there are A LOT of "educated estimates" involved in this model—from launch speeds to layout heights to track rotations. The model below represents our current "Best Guess" conceptualization of the coaster we see in these plans.
Do keep in mind that, to make something like this, there are bits that we just have to literally guess at—train theme and ride hardware colors are two great examples where that's true—they should just be viewed as placeholders. If you have any question about our confidence level regarding anything depicted, let us know and @CoasterMac or I will do our best to explain our thinking (or lack thereof!).
Anyway, with all of that disclaiming out of the way, here's @CoasterMac's (ML Designs') pre-creation!
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Anyway, I think that's everything that's immediately springing to mind. If you have any questions about the coaster, ask away. Between myself and the other nerds here, we may be able to answer!
Also, one more huge thanks to @MaxxForceFan for the initial tip and @CoasterMac for the fantastic mockup on literally 24 hours notice!
Thanks for readin' and feel free to share any of the images and info above anywhere you want—just make sure to credit ParkFans.net and link back to this forum post! If you want to use @CoasterMac's video, please be sure to credit him via his YouTube channel, ML Designs.
Anyway, right after seeing @MaxxForceFan's post above, I fired a FOIA over to Agawam, MA in hopes of obtaining the site plan before the August 1st meeting. Shockingly (and thankfully!), Agawam responded to my Freedom of Information Act request first thing Monday morning. Unfortunately, that blew up my plans for the day. Fortunately, that's a problem for future Zachary, not current Zachary.
As has become normal 'round here, the first thing I did after receiving the docs was to send copies of the site plans over to @CoasterMac in case he wanted to take a stab at a 3D mockup in NoLimits. Incredibly, within the span of 24 hours, @CoasterMac (ML Designs) managed to turn around not only a full NoLimits model of the coaster as we are currently envisioning it, but he also got a video filmed and uploaded of it too! Before we get to our forecast though, let's look at what we have.
Right off the bat, you can probably tell this site plan is FAR easier to interpret than most we deal with. Footers are clearly marked and numbered, the track centerline throughout the entire course is displayed, actual track segments are expressly depicted, we have a full station and queue plan to work with, and attraction theming locations are even marked! Having spent the last few days pouring over Busch Gardens Williamsburg site plans (a park which has learned to omit everything they can possibly get away with), this is a very refreshing sight. Because we're starting with so much information, I can just trace things in this plan out and tell you with 100% certainty that the graphic below represents an accurate, top-down depiction of Six Flags New England's 2025 coaster. There's literally zero analysis needed to move from the site plan above to the image below.
There's no need to dwell on the image above for too long. I'm basically only including it in this post so that you can see just how much of what we're working with is directly shown in the documents themselves. Also, don't feel like you need to understand everything you're looking at yet—I've got graphics for that.
First, let's zoom in a bit and add supports. Supports aren't depicted in the plans, but the footers are numbered so we can confirm footer pairs and order. Most of the supports are pretty easy to deduce, but there is a bit of analysis involved when we get to cross-overs. The foggiest portions supports-wise are areas where there are long spans over other track segments or buildings. I have guestimated what these might look like in my support mockup, but they shouldn't be taken as absolute gospel.
With our supports estimated, lets talk a bit about where this coaster is going. This full-circuit multi-launch coaster is being built on what Six Flags New England currently calls Crackaxle Commons—better known as the former home of the Vekoma Giant Inverted Boomerang, Goliath. An image of the area in question from Bing Maps is included below.
With the placement in mind, lets clean up our site plan and add some location context info.
So, what's up with all the color coding on the buildings? Light blue structures are existing structures while the others are all new. Here's a graphic explaining the new and updated buildings around the site.
And what about the track? It's probably pretty self-explanatory, but just in case:
So, that's the site plan figured out, but what's the actual coaster make and model?
Within minutes of looking at the plan, @CoasterMac and I were pretty certain that we were lookin' at an Intamin Family Launch Coaster—often referred to as an Intamin straddle coaster. Some current, domestic examples of this coaster model include Wave Breaker at SeaWorld San Antonio and Arctic Rescue at SeaWorld San Diego.
ParkFans has leaked two of these Intamin Family Launch Coasters now so we'd like to think we know a thing or two about them. Everything we see in these SFNE 2025 plans matches docs we have for other coasters of this same model to a tee. I won't bore you with all the details this time, but some telltale aspects of this plan that communicate that it's an Intamin and/or straddle coaster include the footer design and depiction, the foundation spacing, the track segments depicted, and the station plan. Speaking of the station plan...
The station area plan shows that we should expect this coaster to run eight car trains. Assuming our analysis is correct regarding coaster type, this would mean a per-cycle capacity of 16 riders. The station area plan above also provides a great look at the guest flow planned through the area. There are dedicated queues for general riders, single riders, and FlashPass. The main ride queue is mostly covered and housed within the former Goliath station building. You can also see areas set aside in the building for "theming elements." Over in the station, you can also see that exiting riders will need to utilize a staircase that crosses over the back of the station back to the entrance side to provide access to the "All Rider Exit" ramp. One side effect of this exit staircase is that a separate entrance side ADA Exit has had to be designed into the load platform.
So now, with the 2D, top-down layout explained, the supports estimated, the make and model almost certainly solved, and the train length figured out, let's take a look at @CoasterMac's NoLimits mockup! Naturally there are A LOT of "educated estimates" involved in this model—from launch speeds to layout heights to track rotations. The model below represents our current "Best Guess" conceptualization of the coaster we see in these plans.
Do keep in mind that, to make something like this, there are bits that we just have to literally guess at—train theme and ride hardware colors are two great examples where that's true—they should just be viewed as placeholders. If you have any question about our confidence level regarding anything depicted, let us know and @CoasterMac or I will do our best to explain our thinking (or lack thereof!).
Anyway, with all of that disclaiming out of the way, here's @CoasterMac's (ML Designs') pre-creation!
Direct Link to Embedded Media Source
Anyway, I think that's everything that's immediately springing to mind. If you have any questions about the coaster, ask away. Between myself and the other nerds here, we may be able to answer!
Also, one more huge thanks to @MaxxForceFan for the initial tip and @CoasterMac for the fantastic mockup on literally 24 hours notice!
Thanks for readin' and feel free to share any of the images and info above anywhere you want—just make sure to credit ParkFans.net and link back to this forum post! If you want to use @CoasterMac's video, please be sure to credit him via his YouTube channel, ML Designs.
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Excellent work you two. This fills their modern family coaster and launch coaster gap excellently. I am so hyped as I’m now going to be a home Parker there this coming year. I’ll be there day one!! Great job.
Holy crap that’s a lot of coaster crammed into a small space. Including the line and what appears to be at least loose theming, this should be a winner for SFNE.
This looks EXCELLENT! Another thing, I caught someone on reddit suggesting this but this could be cloned. This could fit in at Magic Mountain's deja vu plot and at Great America in the Buccaneer Battle plot.
I just want to say that I think this thing is impeccably designed. It gets so incredibly close to all of the buildings and paths around the site and it consumes every possible inch available. It should look brilliant from the midway. Plus, the way it interacts with itself is just perfection—especially that triple stacked crossover point near the end of the brake run. *chefs kiss* I also really appreciate the repurposing of the Goliath station building for a covered (and themed!) queue.
It's a great fit for the park, it's a great fit for the site, and it looks like it should be a ton of fun. Killer addition in my opinion.
It's a great fit for the park, it's a great fit for the site, and it looks like it should be a ton of fun. Killer addition in my opinion.
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It should be two I believe. They went through a lot of trouble to squeeze that train storage building into the plans. They probably wouldn't have if it was only going to run a single train.
Man. This feels like a what could have been with DarKoaster if they weren’t restrained to using the building.
@CoasterMac what are the approximate stats on this ride based on the mockup? Height, speed, length?