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It was only two years ago when the Kilarney Village Band actually had showtimes listed on the park map. Last year, times weren't listed and they just performed sporadically.

I don't know, seems like they are committed to "X" amount of performers during the season and since they've added bigger productions like Mix It Up and Entwined, they've sucked up all the performer slot that would have normally been dedicated to the street shows.

There has been no clearer sign in the past few years that the park is moving away from small scale performances and focusing on bigger productions, than the removal of the Canadian Palladium. Now there's a change that's relatively "small" to the GP, but I thought was really huge at the time. What message is the park sending when it tears down a performance area that's existed since day one? (Not to mention the small stage in LOD that has sat dormant since FOF opened.)
 
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Shafor said:
It was only two years ago when the Kilarney Village Band actually had showtimes listed on the park map. Last year, times weren't listed and they just performed sporadically.

I think outdoor shows like that are great things to just stumble upon, to discover. You can enjoy them and then keep moving if you've got somewhere to go, or linger as long as you wish...

Shafor said:
I don't know, seems like they are committed to "X" amount of performers during the season and since they've added bigger productions like Mix It Up and Entwined, they've sucked up all the performer slot that would have normally been dedicated to the street shows.

I blame it on Illuminights - Entwined is no bigger than Festhaus band + dancers, and Mix it Up is no bigger than the older day shows + Starlight Orchestra... but the multiple night shows added to pyrotechnics are what I believe have caused the robbery of Peter to pay Paul; this year we lose the Killarney band to put more street entertainment in Oktoberfest.

Shafor said:
There has been no clearer sign in the past few years that the park is moving away from small scale performances and focusing on bigger productions, than the removal of the Canadian Palladium. Now there's a change that's relatively "small" to the GP, but I thought was really huge at the time. What message is the park sending when it tears down a performance area that's existed since day one? (Not to mention the small stage in LOD that has sat dormant since FOF opened.)

As much as I'm glad they found a new home for the scrambler, it saddened me too. I just get the feeling that the current Entertainment team doesn't want to deal with the things that don't interest them, and they find a way to make them go away... Neither venue was glitzy, and glitz seems to be the preferred tone of things right now (Entwined, Illuminights), and folksy is getting das boot. Heck, you can't get more rustic than a birth in a manger, and look at what they did to THAT this past Christmas...
 
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Shafor said:
I don't know, seems like they are committed to "X" amount of performers during the season and since they've added bigger productions like Mix It Up and Entwined, they've sucked up all the performer slot that would have normally been dedicated to the street shows.

But there are still alot of open slots in the schedule. I don't understand who sets the performance times. Why is it on any given day there may be no shows during the 2:00 hour, but all the shows are playing at 3:00pm and then none until 5:00pm? There should be at least one show every hour with shows staggered throughout the day. Street performers can be wedged in anywhere. Last year the Kilarny band played before Celtic Fyre. In years past Dublin Over was seen througout the day. Why isn't there any logic to the any of the performance times?
 
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For that matter, why are all of the Illuminights shows performed simultaneously at the top of each hour? If they staggered them every 15 minutes, people would have much more of a chance to catch them all on a given night as they would flow more organically with how people walk around the park. And they'll schedule them to conflict with the primary shows in each country. (6:00 CF and 6:00 Ireland Illuminights show? Really?)
 
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Shafor said:
For that matter, why are all of the Illuminights shows performed simultaneously at the top of each hour? If they staggered them every 15 minutes, people would have much more of a chance to catch them all on a given night as they would flow more organically with how people walk around the park. And they'll schedule them to conflict with the primary shows in each country. (6:00 CF and 6:00 Ireland Illuminights show? Really?)

From a business standpoint, makes perfect sense. The park DOES NOT want you able to do everything in one day. They already have problems keeping people there all day with rides, as it is VERY possible to ride EVERYTHING, especially if you bar the common rides found everywhere. They want you to have to come back, whether it be in two weeks, or two years to see what you missed. Alot of us are season passholders so generally the "can't see all the shows" things shouldn't even be a problem. I know it sucks, but we just got to deal with it and come back multiple days and give the park more of our money like they want us to.
 
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Youhow2 said:
From a business standpoint, makes perfect sense. The park DOES NOT want you able to do everything in one day. They already have problems keeping people there all day with rides, as it is VERY possible to ride EVERYTHING, especially if you bar the common rides found everywhere. They want you to have to come back, whether it be in two weeks, or two years to see what you missed. Alot of us are season passholders so generally the "can't see all the shows" things shouldn't even be a problem. I know it sucks, but we just got to deal with it and come back multiple days and give the park more of our money like they want us to.

I agree with this in theory... and if the shows were better/plentiful, I could see this actually working with non-passholders.
 
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From a business standpoint, makes perfect sense. The park DOES NOT want you able to do everything in one day. They already have problems keeping people there all day with rides, as it is VERY possible to ride EVERYTHING, especially if you bar the common rides found everywhere. They want you to have to come back, whether it be in two weeks, or two years to see what you missed. Alot of us are season passholders so generally the "can't see all the shows" things shouldn't even be a problem. I know it sucks, but we just got to deal with it and come back multiple days and give the park more of our money like they want us to.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree to a certain point, but when people go to a park they hope to get stuff done. I sometimes go to Seaworld Orlando, and of course I plan on getting as much done as possible. However, due to their poorly planned showtimes I can't do much at all. I love Seaworld and all, but when parks treat guests like that it kind of leaves a bad taste behind, and discourages them from comming in the future. So, I think the park might actually gain more from guests being able to do more, and leaving satisfied.

[MOD EDIT: Fixed quote. ~Swiftman]
 
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The park really can't do that until they have more to offer, but I agree with you. Like I said they just don't have enough to justify multi-day visits. This is one way to force them. It's also why I scratch my head at the idea of them adding a resort...

The Busch parks definitely care about their guest, but they are still a business. I honestly don't know what to tell you if you feel bad cause you can't do it all in one day... You going to complain about a casino cause you spent all day there and not win? Did you still have fun though?

Also, If you plan accordingly you CAN see all the shows, and it is certainly possible to ride all the "notable" rides too. You just have to move and go at a fast pace and not drag your feet, I've done it during HOS before... All the shows, All the rides, All the Mazes and even fit in a sit down lunch at trappers.


Also, Seaworld is an Animal park. They have problems of their own that I cant even begin to elaborate on. The performing animals have their own schedules, they need rest, breaks and care. Really, the best way for them to plan their shows is probably have them all start around the same time so all the animal care and rest that needs to be done gets done ASAP so they can fit more shows in the day.
 
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Party Rocker said:
So start the shows at the same time for more breaks to have more shows?? Isn't that contradictory??

Youhow2 said:
The park DOES NOT want you able to do everything in one day. They already have problems keeping people there all day with rides, as it is VERY possible to ride EVERYTHING, especially if you bar the common rides found everywhere. They want you to have to come back, whether it be in two weeks, or two years to see what you missed.
 
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