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After deliberation with our esteemed administration team, the conclusion was reached to share this information here.

The man who originally created Corkscrew Hill as part of Synthespian Studios has shared some interesting information. Apparently, him and BGW have been in discussions about the return of CSH, as well as Synthespian reworking CSH with "modern rendering and lighting". From the way the information was shared, it appears Synthespian is more than willing to do this, and wants to see it happen, as he referred to how badly newer projects have failed compared to CSH. It appears as though the limiting factor here is BGW pulling the trigger, as I'm sure them deciding to put BfE in slowed the negotiations down. The best way to make this rumor come true would be to emphasize to the park how badly people want to see CSH back in the park, however one decided that to happen.

I will update this thread as I get more information from my sources, and I'd hope anyone else with any knowledge about this at all could also chime in. This kinda came out of left field and fell into my lap, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's more of an underground rumor.

On a different note, I have also came into possession of the original animated footage of CSH. That will be available in the CSH thread sometime in the near future, assuming we can find an appropriate way to extract the video and put it somewhere safe for public viewing.
 

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Were these talks pre- or post- BFE? Not dissing the rumor at all, but I'm trying to figure out how bringing CSH back to Killarney's simulator fits into the picture since BFE debuted just last year.
 

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That's the thing, the majority of discussion was strangely around the time BfE was in development, since BfE was in the works rather quickly after EITA. It seems as though since BGW owns CSH themselves, it's never not been option, it's been on the table a lot.

The following isn't via information I've gathered, but rather me inferring between how the two story lines go together. I personally believe that the talks were heaviest when EITA was on its way out. I believe BGW had two options in mind; either return CSH, or create a new actually Irish journey. When they went with the latter, it seems as though they were intentionally keeping CSH in their back pocket in case BfE did terribly.

Based on that, I think what we have here is a fair shot of seeing CSH in 4 years or so (or whenever BfE's film contract runs out) if we push for it. BfE already has declining ridership far worse than EITA's declined even. The public very clearly doesn't enjoy BfE that much as a standalone ride, and I see ridership becoming nothing after the hype wears off entirely.

With that being said, I don't see BGW dumping a ton of money to replace BfE. Instead, why not do the rational thing if it tanks; throw something in the building that will have little to no cost, that we can guarantee will have extremely high ridership.

In short, I have enough information to know BGW just needs a little extra push for them to pull the trigger on CSH in the future. They have the files sitting there. They have expressed interest in doing so. The studio is more than happy to do touchups to modernize it. Hell the studio loves CSH so much they wrote a full length feature film script based on CSH, just haven't had the professional backing to go turn it into a movie. BGW would be wise to capitalize on the nostalgia, and perhaps it become their first in house IP to become a feature film.
 

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Which claims are you referring to?

Anything I've said outside of where I have stated my own opinion is from personal messages I have with the individuals themselves. I'm not getting this information from someone who heard it from. I am in direct contact with the person responsible for making Corkscrew Hill, as well as studios that became affiliated later.

I guess to answer where your question is headed @Zimmy , I do not feel comfortable posting the words of these people without their direct consent, as is why I am not dropping names or posting screenshots. Depending on where these people I am talking to want to take things, that may change in the future.
 

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Could they theoretically run both Corkscrew Hill and Battle for Eire? Each side runs a different show and they can alternate batches in the preshow.
I was just thinking this same thing! Only problems I see is the need to have two different queue lines for it since it could get hairy with the initial staging room being only one room. Possibly using the HoS house entrance as the queue for one of them? But that is a discussion for another thread.
 

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I really like that idea. It gives the best of both worlds and essentially adds an attraction to the park's lineup, especially if they have two separate entrances.
 
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Or what if they take the VR off like they did with Kracken and then just run CSH in 4K on the screen. That would be something I would regularly ride.
 
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You know you don't have to ride with the VR right?
Lets not start....Im just saying they did it on Kracken so its possible here too. Now for my opinion of BfE....I have zero desire to see it with or without the VR portion. I did enjoy CSH and would enjoy to see it again.
 
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Honestly, I would rather want the park to make new motion simulator/VR rides based on Irish mythology and taking what they learned from both Corkscrew Hill and Battle for Eire to create something truly special. I guess I'll be in the minority of people who really liked BfE and it's VR in comparison to CSH, but whatever.
 
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Corkscrew Hill offered interesting characters, a compelling story, and some entertaining dialog. BfE brings none of that to the table.
Exactly. Caveat up front--I'm not discounting the rumor at all nor disagreeing that there are many that would like to see something return or replace BfÉire--myself included, as I'm not a fan.
That's the thing, the majority of discussion was strangely around the time BfE was in development, since BfE was in the works rather quickly after EITA. ... It appears as though the limiting factor here is BGW pulling the trigger, as I'm sure them deciding to put BfE in slowed the negotiations down.
However, I don't consider that timing strange, but neither do I see it as necessarily supporting something replacing BfÉire near term. Just based on the way the rumor was presented, and acknowledging I didn't speak to the guy nor know the exact timing here, to me, it sounds like the park had different options under consideration even while BfÉire was in early development. Obviously Synthespian had motivation to want to continue a relationship, and the park had motivation to consider options--even if Falcon was already decided--should the development efforts (or costs) not turn out they way they wanted. Sounds like hedging their bets and not burning bridges.
...as [Synthespian] referred to how badly newer projects have failed compared to CSH.
So that's the key question about a replacement near-term. Has BfÉire failed? If Synthespian is claiming that--well, to be fair, they have a conflict of interest and may not have the first hand data to back up that claim. Does anyone? How has BfÉire fared since opening? Is it a failure? Is it even possible to know or assume the park would make plans for a replacement after only one year? I'm feeling anything short of a horrendous failure--which, even if the attraction didn't fully live up to expectations, I don't think is the case here--the park would not even consider doing something about BfÉire near-term...especially with other major attractions on their plate.

Therefore, this may be collective wishful thinking coupled with facts about negotiations during the BfÉire development period that may represent a necessary but not sufficient condition for a CSH return...
 
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Actually, Busch Garden's does not own the Corkscrew Hill video, the ride may have been created especially for BGW, but the video itself is owned by SimEx Iwerks and now that BGW's exclusivity of the video has expired, any park can purchase the rights to play the video on their motion platform. Synthespian may have been the production house that SimEx contracted to create the Corkscrew Hill ride video. SimEx Iwerks also owns, Haunts of the Olde Country, Pirates 4D, The Haunted Lighthouse and a ton of other ride videos for similar attractions. The same goes for Falcon's Creative, any park can "rent" Curse of DarKastle or even SeaWorld's TurtleTrek from Falcon as they actually own the ride videos.
 

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Actually, Busch Garden's does not own the Corkscrew Hill video, the ride may have been created especially for BGW, but the video itself is owned by SimEx Iwerks
I'm curious where you obtained this information, as I am fairly positive it is false.

In my talks with SimEx Iwerks, they stated the original ride video/files are owned by Busch Gardens/SeaWorld, not by SimEx.
 
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