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There seem to be two trains of thought for SWO's 2025 project - one is that there won't be anything significant due to 3 prior back-to-back years of roller coaster additions, the second is that the park will want something substantive to compete with Epic Universe down the street.

I have been hearing that there will be a 2025 roller coaster project - but no solid information as of yet. Wild Arctic/Arctic Plaza and Key West seem to be the talked-about areas.
 
Given how light 2024 looks on big SEAS cap-ex, I'm expecting a very expensive, very flashy 2025 for the chain. There are rumors of major projects for both Busch parks and the other two SeaWorld parks will have essentially taken the 2024 off. Timeline-wise, SWO seems like they should be at the back of the line in 2025. That said, SWO is the flagship and yes, UEU is opening—both reasons for SEAS to quadruple down in Orlando if you ask me. Maybe 2025 will be another 2020 where all five major SEAS parks are slated for major projects? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to be honest.

As for location, I'd love to see a Wild Arctic coaster to funnel more guests into the park's absolute best aquarium exhibit. I think the question though is: What? An Intamin straddle is hopefully off the table—we don't need a third multi-launch family coaster. Plus, presumably they'll want something bigger and bolder after their tamer recent additions.

Maybe an Intamin multi-launch like SeaWorld Abu Dhabi's Manta to take on the likes of Pantheon and VelociCoaster? Maybe something like a large, new B&M invert, wing, or dive? All three would be unique in Orlando—plus SWO and B&M are best buds right now. Maybe a custom layout Raptor? That would be wholly unique in the market and SEAS has seemed happy with their RMC purchase.

There are just so many potential routes for SWO to go next. It will be super interesting to see where they land.
 
I actually feel something like Abu Dhabi's other attraction, Hypersphere, would better counter UEU. Having such an immersive ride operating in any weather, paired with SWO coaster collection would really blur the lines for orlando tourists.
 
We will see what happens, but I've heard a Flying Theater is on the table for SeaWorld Orlando (unsure how true that is it). A theater deisgned by Brogent would be a great pick. It might be a good time for SeaWorld to gear up and finally build one because of that epic thing happening nearby in 2025.
 
We will see what happens, but I've heard a Flying Theater is on the table for SeaWorld Orlando (unsure how true that is it). A theater deisgned by Brogent would be a great pick. It might be a good time for SeaWorld to gear up and finally build one because of that epic thing happening nearby in 2025.
A Brogent flying theatre could easily be cloned to all parks and won't be a huge maintenance nightmare (I hope). I'm all for this!
 
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I'm concerned. Hear me out.

Would a flying theater feel at home at SeaWorld Orlando? Yes. Does a flying theater offer the ability to further the conservation and education missions of SeaWorld? For sure. Could a flying theater investment in Orlando represent an outsized value to the company as a whole due to the ability to reuse one of the most expensive aspects of the project (the media) at potential installations at the other two domestic SeaWorld parks? Yep, certainly. Does SeaWorld Orlando, specifically, need more indoor attractions? 1000%. Does SWO need more family-accessible, low-height-requirement rides? Undoubtably.

I have a few reasons I'm hesitant about a flying theater in particular though.

Orlando is already home to the original (well, a clone of the original), very famous, highly regarded, flying theater, Soarin'. A theoretical SeaWorld Orlando flying theater project will be viewed as a "Soarin' knock-off" from the very start—meaning that it will have an outsized public perception hill to climb immediately when it's announced. Then, if SeaWorld Orlando cannot clearly top, Epoct's Soarin', SWO's attempt will always be viewed as the lesser knock-off of an attraction you can find down the road. Just ask anyone from the Mid-Atlantic about Europe in the Air. Despite Soarin' being 800 miles away from Busch Gardens Williamsburg, EitA was widely derided by the public as a poor Soarin' imitation. That effect will be significantly worse when Epcot is minutes away.

More frighteningly, I've already experienced a Brognet flying theater in Florida at Legoland and, let me tell you, it doesn't even come close to Soarin'—and that has nothing to do with the IP involved, the target audience of mostly kids, etc.—it has everything to do with the quality of the attraction hardware—namely the significantly less impressive motion, the cheap and amateur-ish feeling load and unload process, the distance from the screen, the size and shape of the screen, the quality of the projectors, and more. Every aspect of the experience feels like a bad attempt at Soarin' by a company that bit off way more than they could chew.

Speaking of biting off more than they can chew, let's talk about SeaWorld Orlando. What two recent attractions in SWO's history would be closest to a flying theater? Turtle Trek and Antartica. Compared to a flying theater, Turtle Trek had much lower operational and maintenance costs, yet it was killed due to a lack of a desire to maintain or staff the attraction. Compared to a flying theater, Antartica was far more popular than the likely potential ceiling for a probably-worse-than-Soarin' flying theater in Orlando but was killed due to some amalgamation of high maintenance costs and just a general management disinterest in the attraction. Why on earth would the same park that just threw away all of the investments made into those two attractions turn around and build a flying theater which is essentially the exact mid-point between those offerings? At best, I think such a move would illustrate just how absurdly braindead the murder of Turtle Trek and Antartica were. At worst, I think it would show a complete and total lack of direction for the company, of understanding of their industry, and of the wants of their market.

Potentially even worse yet, assuming SWO does build "bad, underwater Soarin'" and it turns out that the local market is pretty lukewarm on "crappy, wet version of what we have had down the road for decades," this could very well be used as further evidence to show "Hey, our guests don't actually care about dark rides or indoor attractions! Back to coasters!" even though the reality will be that, once again, SeaWorld Orlando will have just picked their dark ride very, very unwisely.

I want SeaWorld Orlando to build a darkride—but I want it to be a sure-fire success. Some sort of probably-interactive, Sesame Street dark ride is just such an incredibly and obviously correct solution for SeaWorld Orlando that I legitimately cannot fathom how it hasn't yet happened—and really can't imagine why it would ever be prioritized behind a flying theater. If you want to stick with the SeaWorld theme and message instead (presumably to put it in front of the Wild Arctic exhibit), an undersea-themed, Sally-style, traditional darkride would be a sure-fire hit I'm sure. Theme it to an expedition to the artic—maybe make it interactive with "cameras" that can "capture photos of" illusive wildlife along the way.

Ultimately, I'm just worried that SeaWorld Orlando is, once again, getting caught up in an attraction fad. This happened with the original Wild Arctic when simulators were in-style, flashy attractions no one really understood. It happened with Antartica when trackless darkrides were seen as the wave of the future. It didn't take long for the industry to see the major weaknesses in both of those attraction types—and then SeaWorld was left holding their incredibly expensive, sub-par versions of these, no-longer-hot-commodity ride systems. It's about time that SeaWorld go back to basics and focus on building something good rather than chasing the current wave of mediocre flying theaters rippling through the industry. Honestly, it's especially annoying with flying theaters since we've already seen a much better version of the concept—once again, right down the road—with Flight of Passage at Disney's Animal Kingdom.
 
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I want SeaWorld Orlando to build a darkride—but I want it to be a sure-fire success. Some sort of probably-interactive, Sesame Street dark ride is just such an incredibly and obviously correct solution for SeaWorld Orlando that I legitimately cannot fathom how it hasn't yet happened—and really can't imagine why it would ever be prioritized behind a flying theater. If you want to stick with the SeaWorld theme and message instead (presumably to put it in front of the Wild Arctic exhibit), an undersea-themed, Sally-style, traditional darkride would be a sure-fire hit I'm sure.
The advantage to location that seems to be in question (Wild Arctic), is also a great location for a Sesame OR Seaworld style dark ride. Wild Arctic is just down the path from Sesame Street, so if they really wanted to, they could route the line from Sesame Street, and the exit back toward Sesame Street. Then reroute entry/exit for the Wild Arctic exhibit to be more noticeable, instead of going through a gift shop. Or if they want to keep it as is, and do a Seaworld-oriented dark ride, they could as well. Just a couple possibilities.
 
I'm concerned. Hear me out.

Would a flying theater feel at home at SeaWorld Orlando? Yes. Does a flying theater offer the ability to further the conservation and education missions of SeaWorld? For sure. Could a flying theater investment in Orlando represent an outsized value to the company as a whole due to the ability to reuse one of the most expensive aspects of the project (the media) at potential installations at the other two domestic SeaWorld parks? Yep, certainly. Does SeaWorld Orlando, specifically, need more indoor attractions? 1000%. Does SWO need more family-accessible, low-height-requirement rides? Undoubtably.

I have a few reasons I'm hesitant about a flying theater in particular though.

Orlando is already home to the original (well, a clone of the original), very famous, highly regarded, flying theater, Soarin'. A theoretical SeaWorld Orlando flying theater project will be viewed as a "Soarin' knock-off" from the very start—meaning that it will have an outsized public perception hill to climb immediately when it's announced. Then, if SeaWorld Orlando cannot clearly top, Epoct's Soarin', SWO's attempt will always be viewed as the lesser knock-off of an attraction you can find down the road. Just ask anyone from the Mid-Atlantic about Europe in the Air. Despite Soarin' being 800 miles away from Busch Gardens Williamsburg, EitA was widely derided by the public as a poor Soarin' imitation. That effect will be significantly worse when Epcot is minutes away.

More frighteningly, I've already experienced a Brognet flying theater in Florida at Legoland and, let me tell you, it doesn't even come close to Soarin'—and that has nothing to do with the IP involved, the target audience of mostly kids, etc.—it has everything to do with the quality of the attraction hardware—namely the significantly less impressive motion, the cheap and amateur-ish feeling load and unload process, the distance from the screen, the size and shape of the screen, the quality of the projectors, and more. Every aspect of the experience feels like a bad attempt at Soarin' by a company that bit off way more than they could chew.

Speaking of biting off more than they can chew, let's talk about SeaWorld Orlando. What two recent attractions in SWO's history would be closest to a flying theater? Turtle Trek and Antartica. Compared to a flying theater, Turtle Trek had much lower operational and maintenance costs, yet it was killed due to a lack of a desire to maintain or staff the attraction. Compared to a flying theater, Antartica was far more popular than the likely potential ceiling for a probably-worse-than-Soarin' flying theater in Orlando but was killed due to some amalgamation of high maintenance costs and just a general management disinterest in the attraction. Why on earth would the park that just threw all of the investments made into those two attractions turn around and build a flying theater which is essentially the exact mid-point between those offerings? At best, I think such a move would illustrate just how absurdly braindead the murder of Turtle Trek and Antartica were. At worst, I think it would show a complete and total lack of direction for the company, of understanding of their industry, and of the wants of their market.

Potentially even worse yet, assuming SWO does build "bad, underwater Soarin'" and it turns out that the local market is pretty lukewarm on "crappy, wet version of what we have had down the road for decades," this could very well be used as further evidence to show "Hey, our guests don't actually care about dark rides or indoor attractions! Back to coasters!" even though the reality will be that, once again, SeaWorld Orlando will have just picked their dark ride very, very unwisely.

I want SeaWorld Orlando to build a darkride—but I want it to be a sure-fire success. Some sort of probably-interactive, Sesame Street dark ride is just such an incredibly and obviously correct solution for SeaWorld Orlando that I legitimately cannot fathom how it hasn't yet happened—and really can't imagine why it would ever be prioritized behind a flying theater. If you want to stick with the SeaWorld theme and message instead (presumably to put it in front of the Wild Arctic exhibit), an undersea-themed, Sally-style, traditional darkride would be a sure-fire hit I'm sure. Theme it to an expedition to the artic—maybe make it interactive with "cameras" that can "capture photos of" illusive wildlife along the way.

Ultimately, I'm just worried that SeaWorld Orlando is, once again, getting caught up in an attraction fad. This happened with the original Wild Arctic when simulators were in-style, flashy attractions no one really understood. It happened with Antartica when trackless darkrides were seen as the wave of the future. It didn't take long for the industry to see the major weaknesses in both of those attraction types—and then SeaWorld was left holding their incredibly expensive, sub-par versions of these, no-longer-hot-commodity ride systems. It's about time that SeaWorld go back to basics and focus on building something good rather than chasing the current wave of mediocre flying theaters rippling through the industry. Honestly, it's especially annoying with flying theaters since we've already seen a much better version of the concept—once again, right down the road—with Flight of Passage at Disney's Animal Kingdom.
Dark rides tend to be expensive to construct and maintain, especially if they're working with nothing. SWE has also shown that they don't care about theming their rides, just look at the cheap decorations on DarKoaster or the lack of any theming whatsoever on Pantheon. I would not trust them with a dark ride.

And apparently Antarctica didn't close because of budget cuts. There was a rumor floating around that the ride vehicles were damaged beyond repair during the pandemic closure. It would have costed more money than it was worth to fix it.
 
Dark rides tend to be expensive to construct and maintain, especially if they're working with nothing. SWE has also shown that they don't care about theming their rides, just look at the cheap decorations on DarKoaster or the lack of any theming whatsoever on Pantheon. I would not trust them with a dark ride.

And apparently Antarctica didn't close because of budget cuts. There was a rumor floating around that the ride vehicles were damaged beyond repair during the pandemic closure. It would have costed more money than it was worth to fix it.
That actually isn’t the exact truth, the exact model Antarctica was, was a flawed design, and I believe was discontinued (not the system as whole just those ride vehicles). While the damage from the pandemic was the nail in coffin, it was going to eventually happen anyway
 
Let's put some respect on the SEAS brand. The concept of wild arctic and antarctica had real substance, and I'm damn sure legoland would never get the likes of sir David Attenborough to narrate an attraction. The Wild Arctic exhibit is AMAZING, plain and simple. You're not experiencing anything that raw at Disney or Uni. It deserves a ride, just like Antarctica. These are key lands to Seaworld, and while Ice Breaker is a great addition it doesn't immerse you in the arctic. We will never see a theming budget ala Forbidden Journey, Spiderman, etc so how is a flying theater not best case scenario for a dark ride ? Only true gripe imo is not matching Abu Dhabi and bringing Hypersphere to the O. My god would that be a statement. Wild Arctic is outdated, and Antarctica is too tame for a ride located outside Sesame, and SEAS realized this. This park is adding an on site hotel in 2026, if it's going to be a destination it needs at least 1 attraction not weather permitting that almost all guest can truly enjoy. A Sesame dark ride is not that. I get the logic, and it's intriguing to see some of the universal employees that have been recently hired by BGT and SWO, I just hope this ride delivers its potential.
 
I'm OK with SeaWorld doing it's own thing. Instead of a simulator that will be inferior to Disney/Universal offerings, why not lean into themed, family flats? Outside of Sesame Street area, Infinity Falls and the Coaters, there's not much else to ride in the park.
 
Any info on all the work over at the old turtle trek area? There is tons of room back there for anything really. Could even extend past JTA for giga but doubt it. Google Earth - Google Chrome 1_24_2024 6_07_11 PM.png
 
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I'd actually love to see the park get an enhanced entrance plaza before getting a new coaster. Something like what San Diego is getting would be great for the park. RIght now it feels really dated and on crowded days, the entrance gets really bottlenecked. Remove that huge ugly building on the left to open up the view to the water, then a new Carowinds style entrance and maybe add a touch pool exhibit like San Diego's entrance.

If they really wanted to capitalize off EU crowds, it would really benefit them by opening up the entrance plaza and make getting into the park much more efficient.
 
I'd actually love to see the park get an enhanced entrance plaza before getting a new coaster. Something like what San Diego is getting would be great for the park. RIght now it feels really dated and on crowded days, the entrance gets really bottlenecked. Remove that huge ugly building on the left to open up the view to the water, then a new Carowinds style entrance and maybe add a touch pool exhibit like San Diego's entrance.

If they really wanted to capitalize off EU crowds, it would really benefit them by opening up the entrance plaza and make getting into the park much more efficient.
DONT SAY THAT, THEY’LL TEAR THE LIGHTHOUSE DOWN
 
I love SeaWorld San Antonio’s towering entrance. That should really be standard at all the SeaWorld parks (SeaWorld itself, not BG).
 
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