New France and Alien Invasions

[Parkgoer]

O, come now. I shouldn't bother replying, but I am anyway.


Welcome to the Irish village of Killarney. To your right, you can enter a dark cave lit by airport lights which somehow takes you to an alternate future version of an Irish castle. Here, you can take a scenic tour of modern day Europe via a crazy flying device called an air sled. This air sled will take off and take you back in time to the Europe of 2009 where you'll randomly teleport though the clouds to iconic European sights such as a traffic jam in Paris and a group of tourists checking out a German castle. You will then return to the castle from which you came and exit the ride.

No more far fetched than attractions built around mythical creatures. At least you are departing Ireland and visiting the other countries and areas around them that the park has. Pretty nifty way to show people the countries the park has IRL... just a crappy execution.

And there is the beauty of your inquistion, Doc. EitA is the exact oppisite; a ride that does fit theme wise with a crappy execution.

 

[David]

Europe in the Air.

Just because the ride is a crappy attempt to recreate an instant classic TWDC ride does not mean that it does not fit theme wise.

O, come now. I shouldn't bother replying, but I am anyway.


Welcome to the Irish village of Killarney. To your right, you can enter a dark cave lit by airport lights which somehow takes you to an alternate future version of an Irish castle. Here, you can take a scenic tour of modern day Europe via a crazy flying device called an air sled. This air sled will take off and take you back in time to the Europe of 2009 where you'll randomly teleport though the clouds to iconic European sights such as a traffic jam in Paris and a group of tourists checking out a German castle. You will then return to the castle from which you came and exit the ride.


If you had read that the year before EitA opened, you would have said the park is doomed. Suddenly, because it's built at the park, it's ok. Nothing to worry about guys. This ride is just fine.

You said it didn't fit the theme, but it does. Now you are saying it's not good enough. Which is the point of this thread, and also answers your question from earlier. You can't quantify how much something does/doesn't match the theme until it's actually implemented.

 

[DrMoneyReturns]

Other than the sundial (which fits the theme), what other changes really cause you to think the park is going to the dumps? Cause i'd much rather see Elmo in the Castle than have it sit empty.

Alright:

England - they used to show Pirates in that theater. Pirates are a Britishy thing. Elmo is not. They replaced the Pirates with Elmo. I would have liked to see them replace Pirates with something Englishy. Shakespeare or something. Who knows? Not Elmo.

Ireland - They used to show a puppet show about Leprechauns in that Castle. Now they do a Cookie Monster brunch. They could have replaced that show with another show that targeted the same audience and was just as Irish. But they didn't. They used to do a 4D about leprechauns there, too. Now they do a tour of "Europe" in there. IMO, I'm not in the "Europe" hamlet. I'm in the Ireland hamlet. This should be about Ireland. Also, I think Celtic Fyre is an inferior show is every way to the two very Irish shows that preceded it. I think it's cheap looking, and I think it's poorly written, and I think it lacks the authenticity that the two previous shows had. My opinion.

France - They used to have an amazing French circus here. In the France hamlet. They replaced that with a less-French "cirque-style" (their description, not mine) show centered around American pop standards. Now, they don't do anything.

Germany - I feel like the older Oktoberfest look was a more genuine, more classy look than the direction they're going now. I think that part of what sets Busch Gardens in the class that it's in is it's willingness to go a little higher-brow than most amusement parks. I feel like the new overlays are a little cartoony...a little bit cheap looking. I don't hate the new Oktoberfest, though. I think it's okay.

Italy - I don't like that sundial. I think the digging materials and the tents were better for telling the story of that attraction than a sundial is.

 

[Zachary]

You said it didn't fit the theme, but it does. Now you are saying it's not good enough. Which is the point of this thread, and also answers your question from earlier. You can't quantify how much something does/doesn't match the theme until it's actually implemented.

So, you're saying that you're ok with rides like EitA? That's still in the acceptable range? I wasn't expecting some sort of number from 1 to 10. Examples are just fine.

Just to be clear: A ride that teleports you to an alternative universe with futuristic technology and gives you a nice view of an Italian traffic jam is acceptable?

 

[DrMoneyReturns]

I don't think EitA matches the theme, at all. It's European, generally, but again, you're in Ireland. Not "Europe."

I'm not saying you are wrong for liking EitA. I'm saying I disagree that EitA fits the theme of Killarney.

In either case, it fits the theme less well than the old show did, so I think it's a change for the worse, not a change for the better.

 

[David]

You said it didn't fit the theme, but it does. Now you are saying it's not good enough. Which is the point of this thread, and also answers your question from earlier. You can't quantify how much something does/doesn't match the theme until it's actually implemented.

So, you're saying that you're ok with rides like EitA? That's still in the acceptable range? I wasn't expecting some sort of number from 1 to 10. Examples are just fine.

Just to be clear: A ride that teleports you to an alternative universe with futuristic technology and gives you a nice view of an Italian traffic jam is acceptable?

EITA =/= spaceship

 

[Parkgoer]

I don't think EitA matches the theme, at all. It's European, generally, but again, you're in Ireland. Not "Europe."

I'm not saying you are wrong for liking EitA. I'm saying I disagree that EitA fits the theme of Killarney.

In either case, it fits the theme less well than the old show did, so I think it's a change for the worse, not a change for the better.

Whether it fitting less than the predecessor is highly subjective. No one EVER said that they liked EitA but Im guessing you stopped reading my posts after I answered your question. Departing from Ireland and seeing countries represented in the park and their surrounding areas is very well fit for a theme with a crappy execution. ONCE AGAIN, just the opposite of your inquiry.

 

[Zachary]

EITA =/= spaceship

So what is it? If it doesn't exist today, it is either from the future or a mythical alternate universe.

 

[Parkgoer]

So what is it? If it doesn't exist today, it is either from the future or a mythical alternate universe.

Please provide actual photos of The Lochness Monster (not just as a spot in the water), the abominable snowman, Apollo and not just ancient art, and an actual Griffon. Thanks! Throw in Sandra Bullock dwelling in The Black Forest as a spirit while you are at it.

 

[Zachary]

EitA is based on reality. That's the whole idea behind the ride, is it not?

 

[David]

EitA is based on reality. That's the whole idea behind the ride, is it not?

No, cause is an air sled real?

 

[Parkgoer]

No, cause is an air sled real?

But more importantly, are the other attractions stories real?

For additional measure I also request proof that Neuschwanstein Castle is actually haunted and terrorized by VonDrake.

 

[Zachary]

Ok, I'll modify that.

So you (David, Atlantis, and PzP) are saying that a ride that simulates a trip through Europe on a non-existent piece of futuristic technology and gives you views of incredible sights like an French traffic jam and tourists checking out a German castle fits Killarney's theme? This is honestly all I want to know.

 

[DrMoneyReturns]

Whether it fitting less than the predecessor is highly subjective.

I said it was my opinion. Who else's opinion would it be? But if you want to try and be objective, let's: are you saying that you believe that a ride that has about 10% to do with Ireland fits the Irish theme better than a ride that had 100% to do with Ireland?

No one EVER said that they liked EitA but Im guessing you stopped reading my posts after I answered your question.

EDIT: I reread what I wrote. I did accuse you of liking Europe in the Air, and I shouldn't have. Nobody likes that garbage. I did read your posts though...I didn't ignore them. I am watching True Blood right now, if that makes any difference.

Departing from Ireland and seeing countries represented in the park and their surrounding areas is very well fit for a theme with a crappy execution.

No. Because the theme of Killarney isn't Europe. It's Ireland. The shows and rides in Killarney should be about Ireland. It's like, why not fly a big Union Jack over Apollo's Chariot? Apollo's Chariot isn't in England. It's in Italy. What's the point of having hamlets if the attractions there in are just "Europy"?

My opinion.

 

[Parkgoer]

Allow me to pose a request for additional measure here. Please provide proof that the Hang Gliding experience of Soarin is possible to go across the state in one glide and in ten minutes. Proof of Jurassic Park existing. Proof of midgets singing "its a small world" in most major countries. Proof of Peter Pan existing. Proof of a mansion haunted by a nonstop party. Proof of Spiderman existing. Proof of two dragons going at it in the form of a coaster. Proof of an actual dorky looking wizard with a cut on his forehead. Proof of King Kong existing. Proof of elevators falling in a haunted hotel. Proof of a Yeti on Everest.

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I'm not saying you are wrong for liking EitA.

Right there. And it does not fit just Ireland but the park as a whole. A bit more of a difficult task that theme to one area.

 

[DrMoneyReturns]

Like I said in the edit: you're right. I did accuse you of liking Europe in the Air. I shouldn't have. Nobody likes that awful thing. I meant to imply that you approve of EitA from a theming stand-point. Is that a bad assumption?

 

[Parkgoer]

Like I said in the edit: you're right. I did accuse you of liking Europe in the Air. I shouldn't have. Nobody likes that awful thing. I meant to imply that you approve of EitA from a theming stand-point. Is that a bad assumption?

Whoops, sorry about that haha. I didn't catch the edit, this thread is rather quick paced. It is rather accepted theme view and just so happened to be some heavy hitters from the Disney/Uni fanverse' as well (with them agreeing execution is that of something you would fine in a Chuck Cheese).

 

[BBW]

Ok, it's a well-done attraction that has proven popular but it is a complete themeing mismatch. Gotta admit, I would not like it/want it in the park.

Can't decide if it would be an unmitigated disaster, though. I think at first consideration that it would kind of depend (for me) on how encapsulated the mismatched attraction were to be. So if it's an alien ride in New France, and all its merchandising is kept right around it, and the alien spaceship (for example) isn't visible from all high points in the park, then I would still hate it but wouldn't call it unmitigated disaster -- I would be able to avoid it at least somewhat. It wouldn't be in my face all over the park. But I wouldn't call it good, either.

But I'm putting conditions on the original inquiry. Let's say that the alien ride is hard to avoid, or hard to avoid without giving up something I like (just as Entwined is REALLY hard to avoid if you like eating in the Festhaus. I suffer through Entwined because I won't give up the dining at Festhaus or restricting the timing of my visits there).

Therefore I'm ultimately going with disaster, because I think the compromise to the park as a whole would outweigh any popularity of the attraction, which would likely have some kind of time limit anyway. Even the best rides have a shelf life, and something this "way out" based on a current fad might be more likely to lose popularity fast after the fad is over than something less farfetched.

But I truly doubt that many people feel this way. Even with the opinions expressed here in this thread that this question is somewhat absurd, I sadly don't think that it is. I bet the park would put in the most crazy, out of character attraction we could possibly imagine without turning a hair if it were absolutely known that it would be well done and popular.

Because ultimately that is the park's goal, to be as popular as possible and to make money, and the theme was originally conceived for just that reason -- because it was seen as a blueprint or prime directive for how to make a park popular in Williamsburg, VA. As soon as that direction, or even the notion of having one coherent direction, is not seen as the best directive/blueprint for being popular, cohesion/themeing will go, sacrificed for popularity.

Sorry if that seems like a "duh" kind of comment, but the theme is there to make money, not as a goal in and of itself. More's the pity for someone like me who loves the theme!

But that is given the original condition, that it is known that the particular piece of nuttiness is, indeed, popular.

 

[Zachary]

It's amazing. Someone actually answered the question in a logical manner without insulting anyone. Sir, I applaud you. If I could give you rep again, I would.

 

[Party Rocker]

As soon as i get computer access I will be able to post more eloquently and reply to this thread appropriately.