I just hope it gets a Cajun restaurant to go with it.
Idea: Why isn't it themed to an episode of Woody's Roundup where Woody, Jessy, and Bullseye have to save guests from a dastardly plot by Stinky Pete? This was what I came up with in 30 seconds. Surely the huge team of people at Imagineering can do better?
I literally never once said that Splash wasn't in Frontierland. In fact, in the post you quoted I said
the previous post I said
Key words being "close enough".
I never once denied that it was in Frontierland. Just because there are western buildings leading up to the split between Splash/train/Big Thunder and the rest of Frontierland, doesn't make what I said any less true. It is quite literally the first attraction you see coming from Adventureland. The path from Adventureland is literally a straight shot. Unlike the comparison @VonDerrick gave of Darkastle and New France, which the two are very much separated from a guest standpoint. A better argument in that case would be Alpengeist and New France, but that's not what was said.
To be completely honest the whole "But it doesn't fit the theme" argument rubs me the wrong way, massively. Trying to come up with a different replacement than Princess and the Frog, especially given the current climate comes off as rather elitist? privileged? entitled? I'm not sure to be clear.
Its such a clear nitpick like "But there's no black people in medieval Europe" (except there were so like??), like you can't come up with an alternative reason for this ride not to exist? You want a ride themed to this movie, but just not there!! It doesn't fit!! Honestly, who the fuck cares at this point? It's not all based in reality anyways. And really, in all of WDW there is a single ride based on a POC movie. You wanna know what it is?
Magic Carpets of Aladdin. A spinning ride where the only character featured is the rug. Aladdin isn't even there.
You can call putting a PatF overlay pandering if you want. This was a long time coming, both the removal of Splash's theme and a PatF ride. Why not hit two birds with one stone? It doesn't have to be realistic. I truly doubt that you're gonna get on this ride and go "aww, but it doesn't match the surrounding area." and have that be your biggest concern. You're gonna judge it for what it is, and it'll be a nitpick, much like Frozen in Norway. That fits, but nobody wanted it, the fact that nobody super cares for the ride is the biggest issue rather than it's "Frozen in Norway" at this point. (I'm not saying that in Frozen's case its not an issue, just that the bigger issue is it definitely feels cheap.)
Coco is a fascinating option to be honest. Really like that solution a lot actually...
It's definitely not a PERFECT thematic match, but it's a far better solution than Splash Mountain or Princess and the Frog in my opinion.
Transition. It being near by Adventureland is a transitional feature for me. New Orleans makes about as much sense with Adventureland as the Caribbean mixed with Polynesian aesthetics plus Jungle Cruise and the Swiss Family Treehouse. But Splash is in Frontierland so it's moot point. I think its a nice transition is all.Respectfully, what was the point of arguing that Splash Mountain is "close enough" to Adventureland? Is geographic proximity to a land really relevant when the attraction isn't actually located inside that land? Besides, New Orleans makes just as little sense in Adventureland.
I really dislike this thought process. Welcome to ParkFans. Nitpicking is what we do. We once spent a month arguing about a sundial in front of Escape from Pompeii. I want high standards of thematic consistency from Disney. The criticims of this addition aren't unique to Princess and the Frog because of the main character's appearance - we call it out every time it happens. That expectation for thematic consistency wasn't labeled as be labeled as "elitist" or "privileged" when we called out other additions that don't fit, and it shouldn't be different here just because of how the ride's character looks.
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly it: I want a ride themed to this movie, but just not there. Frontierland, along with Tomorrowland before it became a thematic disaster of its own, is my favorite area at the Magic Kingdom. I love the suspension of disbelief and the ability to pretend I'm in a town of the wild west. An enchanted Louisiana bayou in the middle of the area detracts from that. Thematic consistency is what made Disney's parks famous in the first place, and for good reason. Heck, Magic Kingdom is built over a series of tunnels in part because Walt was frustrated with the thematic inconsistency of costumed cast members walking through the wrong area of the park. This addition is a slap in face to that guiding principle at the heart of the Disney parks.
Adding a Princess and the Frog ride to WDW isn't pandering. It's a great way to celebrate a great story, and getting more POC representation in the parks is a great bonus. But shoehorning the ride where it doesn't fit, just for the sake of increasing representation (as it seems you're advocating), might be pandering.
Funny enough, that was exactly my impression when I got off of Frozen Ever After: That was a great ride, but it doesn't make any sense here. As I alluded to earlier, look at Tomorrowland in its current state: you have a monster-themed comedy show, a meet-and-greet for an alien and his Hawaiian friend, a gas-powered car ride, a show about of 20th-century technology, and a super-hero dance party, among other things. The area really doesn't feel like a land of the future so much as it does a land of Disney IPs that didn't fit elsewhere in the park. Tomorrowland's immersion - its fantasy and believability - is dead. That's the problem with adding attractions that don't fit their surrounding area, and it's why I refuse to be complacent with the continuation of that trend - especially for a massive, high-profile attraction that encompasses much of its themed area.
For me, the best part of visiting a theme park, especially a Disney theme park, is the feeling of escape to a fantasy world - the feeling of make-believe that I'm visiting some turn-of-the-century city, some magical village, some wild west town. It's not the feeling of riding any one attraction that makes me fall in love with the idea of visiting theme parks. So that's why I'm happy to defend myself for criticizing the latest attraction to tear away at the thematic experience that has always made Disney parks so special.
I wasn't debating that out, I was using it as an example, to be clear. After the inclusion of Frozen in Epcot, I gave up on the idea of things having to perfectly match their surrounding area. As long as it at least adjacently fits and it's enjoyable, I'm cool with it. And it's made me a lot happier not to try and debate those nuances out, because that's where the high key theme park fans just their feathers ruffled about it, and I really don't need that in my life anymore.@Applesauce I personally have no issues against adding IP, after all that seems to be what really drives people to these parks and in Epcot's case, it so desperately needs it.
Epcot in its current state with few attractions in the World Showcase, was in my opinion, a bit of a failure. It has become a shell of what it was supposed to be. There were major attractions planned for every pavilion. However, due to budget cuts and such, most attractions were scraped. Back in those times, more historically accurate non-IP ride might have been successful and grown into today; however, today IP draws the crowds and that is what will be needed for new attractions.
Personally, I think they can continue to keep to the World Showcase theme by keeping IP relevant to the county it is located in. I actually think the IP would give that extra little Disney touch to each pavilion and also make the World Showcase more than an over glorified international shopping and dining center.
I could see him appearing as a ghost of sorts, like the voodoo dolls at the beginning of the film. I hate making this comparison, but him making an appearance like Farquaad in Shrek 4D would honestly be pretty sick.Doctor Facilier is one of my all-time favorite Disney villains and I'm worried that, since the ride takes place after the events of the movie, he won't be included. ?