smitty915 said:I think they should keep all the lighting and fireworks(have them on a barge in the rhine river instead of fhp) scrap all the shows, and put a big imaginique-type thing in the rpt. That would be more popular imo
smitty915 said:I think they should keep all the lighting
smitty915 said:and fireworks(have them on a barge in the rhine river instead of fhp)
smitty915 said:scrap all the shows, and put a big imaginique-type thing in the rpt.
smitty915 said:That would be more popular imo
Party Rocker said:They tried that before. Kinetix was their version and it was a terrible replacement. It was very Americanized and didn't really flow with the French theme, nor did it match up to the perfectly orchestrated music and acrobatics as a real well done French cirque can.
Party Rocker said:If they tried to do it again, money would be the issue. Money was the reason why Imaginique was dropped. It was extremely amazing and had MANY full nights, the park just could not afford it, unless they were to charge separate for it, which they wouldn't do.
Party Rocker said:Their main target audience is Pass Holders. Charge anything extra and pass holders will complain. Seriously, this is the main group that visits the park. i know that maybe hard to believe, but for a person who has worked there, giving discounts, there is surprisingly a lot of people with passes.
Party Rocker said:Overall, yes the park should just have a French cirque style show because it matches the theme perfectly and is very popular. However, there are many downfalls to that. I agree with your ideas and decisions but, I'm only pointing out why they can't happen. No offense.
RocketChk said:Wrong. So wrong.
No way, shape, or form a 'well done French cirque.' Please tell me where you got this information from.
The only thing about Imaginique that was even close to being French is the name. Cirque Productions created Imaginique. This production only ran at BGW in its form and under that name and was created specifically for the park. The next closest thing you can get to Imaginique is the production Jungle Fantasy that came to Chrysler Hall a few years ago. They share a few acts and songs.
Cirque Productions was created and is ran by Neil Goldberg. Headquarters are in Pompano Beach, FL. Neil was born and raised in New York. I can provide sources.
RocketChk said:BG had an additional three year option in their contract with Cirque Productions to continue Imaginique. Kinetix was cheaper, but not by much. The park had to create the concept, get rights to the songs, hire and contract out the performers, keep a healthy number of dancers and singers on the payroll, create, construct and maintain sets and costumes. I think Kinetix came from the park thinking that if CP would do it, BG could do it too.
RocketChk said:I disagree. In the 80's and 90's, todays Trapper's was a Guest Relations office with a ticket booth. To watch the concert or event in the RPT, you bought tickets. Worked then, could very well work now. I'd prefer it this way. If I want to go see an event or show bad enough, it'd be nice to be in the company of others who wanted to be there just as much as I did. Case in point-Ramp Jam. When I went, there was a good sized crowd, but how many of them were as amped as I was that Bucky Lasek was at my home park? I would pay to see Ramp Jam. Also, as a passholder, I bought my pass because I enjoy going to BG--not for the events that go on during the year. If Ramp Jam did not come back next year, I'd still keep my pass. If there were upcharge events during the year, people might complain and threaten to cancel their pass, but really, honestly, how many would cancel them? Or keep them canceled? In my opinion, not many. At all.
Think back to the outrage over the shortage of Victoria Justice VIP tickets and how quickly they sold out. People were complaining not that they had to pay, but how there weren't enough available for them to pay for. At $22 a pop. On top of what they paid for a pass/ticket.
RocketChk said:I don't believe it's that they can't happen, it's that the park won't allow it to happen. If something can't happen, it would have never happened in the first place. Please discuss the downfalls you mention.
Party Rocker said:The whole reason the park includes events and concerts in park admission is to make the season pass more valuable.
Party Rocker said:Despite your idea that no matter what happens pass holders will remain pass holders, I would like to refer you to the all the pass holders who cancelled their pass over a Halloween show and over a train ride.
Party Rocker said:Most pass holders hate to pay extra and can't grasp the concept of not included.
Party Rocker said:Downfalls: Imaginique was too custom and too expensive.
I highly doubt Kinetix was anywhere near as expensive as Imaginique. Kinetix had cheap and cheesy written all over it.
The whole reason the park includes events and concerts in park admission is to make the season pass more valuable. Despite your idea that no matter what happens pass holders will remain pass holders, I would like to refer you to the all the pass holders who cancelled their pass over a Halloween show and over a train ride. Pass holders are just as ignorant as the general public.
Illuminights is definitely expensive no doubt, however I would estimate with no real knowledge the event costs right around the hundreds of thousands, where as Imaginique probably costed millions. I am talking on a per night basis, not the entire run time.
Honestly, I feel making Christmas Town a separate upcharge event isn't a good idea and the people throwing a fit have a reason to complain. HOS isn't separate, so why make CT separate? The park should include CT for people who buy annual passes/Platinum passes at least.As far as pass holders are concerned, look at Christmas Town. They through a fuss and a fit because they have to pay for extra, even though they get a good admission discount, they don't like it. The main reason so any pass holders don't mind it that much is because their paying $15 admission for an entire park, almost.
BGW is still a theme park. They're gonna charge a high price for their stuff regardless. Most major corporate parks will charge high prices for food/merch/etc. Busch is the exact same way.I have experienced a lot of upset pass holders because something is too expensive.
I'm sure most corporate parks are the same way. They provide free admission, discounts, free parking, combined with free special events to keep their passholders. Nothing wrong with that. If you feel it's too expensive, work around those costs (get a Fun Card, eat outside the park, don't buy too many souvenirs, carry only essential items so you don't have to use a locker, etc).Also, the pass itself has very little value if you take away the free events. All the pass is good for is free parking and admission with a few discounts. Yes the money saved adds up, but people are looking for the money right away. These free events are like a perk to pass holders and the BGW park offers very limited perks already.
Illuminights does a better job at replacing the show, but it still is not the same and with how they are going at this rate with Wunderbarn, I feel Illuminights will eventually end up as a bust. It has great potential now, I mean look at Giardino Magico. It is their best show, amazing lighting and performance. My point is Imaginique was better yet harder for the park to keep.
As far as passes are concerned, you missed my point in the perks. BGW doesn't give a lot of perks to their pass holders and the free special events (aka Concerts) is how they keep pass holders.
What I meant by the "something is too expensive" was that say a Busch Gardens towel costs $5. Now say a pass holder buys said towel. Well now the park replaced said towel for a $10 towel. That previous pass holder wants to buy another towel but they complain that it costs too much when they know it should really only be $5. They get upset about that and it reduces the pass holders attitude.
Let's be honest though, if they want Christmas Town added to the pass but they want to pay for concerts, and if the park listened and did just that, they would complain concerts should be free too. I think it is nice enough for the park to add all special events to the pass for free so if you enjoy it, you can do that. What would be ideal for the park is if they created a new way of selecting a pass