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Opening with the park in 1974, Gingerbread Fancy was one of the park's three main restaurants.

Like its sister restaurant the Yum Yum Palace, it was spectacular inside and out, with the columns inside that were filled with hanging baskets of ferns.

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Today guests know Gingerbread Fancy as Granny's.

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And hopefully they restore some of the character and charm they ripped out. I am encouraged that the "new" management team is actually theming things-- the new addition at Kings Dominion, SFOG's surf coaster, Iron Menace, etc. all are getting some level of theme.
 
At the cost of reduced ride count. Since I rarely dine in parks this tradeoff is not beneficial for me.
Dude, come on... the park is finally paying attention to its appearance. While rides are obviously important, a guest wants to feel like they are getting a good value for their money in other ways too, food and appearance are a big part of that.
 
I can’t comprehend how someone can see a LONG overdue overhaul of an opening day restaurant and still find a way to complain. It feels like for some, any single thing Great Adventure does from here on out will “have been at the cost of Kingda Ka,” whether it’s good, bad, inconsequential, etc.
 
I can’t comprehend how someone can see a LONG overdue overhaul of an opening day restaurant and still find a way to complain. It feels like for some, any single thing Great Adventure does from here on out will “have been at the cost of Kingda Ka,” whether it’s good, bad, inconsequential, etc.
I know man... seriously. Colliwood Studios put out a good video supporting the park's removal of Kingda Ka that shed light on solid reasons for the removal while also giving hope for the future of the park. HOPE man... can't lose sight of that.

Plus even with the ride removals, Great Adventure still has a killer line up. I'd make a trip to the park just to ride El Toro and Nitro. In fact I've done that multiple times on my way down to the shore 😜.

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Keep meaning to watch that on slow days at work and completely forgetting.

I’ve said plenty of times that I don’t disagree with its removal at all, but that it should’ve been handled a bit more gracefully.
This is how I feel as well. It’s not the removal. It’s the lack of any official announcement before it closed that was the issue.
 
For sure, and I do think there are reasons for that, but it could’ve been handled better either way. Even prior to last season, I assumed Ka had 5-10 years left at best, and more reasonably, closer to 5.
 
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At the cost of reduced ride count. Since I rarely dine in parks this tradeoff is not beneficial for me.

Maybe if you (and others) dined at Great Adventure more (which should be more likely if the restaurants aren't filthy/dated/ugly, the food is good, and the service is efficient) the park's maintenance budget would have been large enough to support the continued operation of Ka.

All of these things are connected. Successful parks in the year 2025 make an astronomical proportion of their profits on food and beverage. Whether you will buy the food or not doesn't matter. You will benefit greatly from the increased profits the additional F&B sales that result from these renovations deliver to the park overall and they will result in a measurable improvement to your experience even if you never once taste a morsel of food.

Great Adventure, like most every other legacy Six Flags property, has allowed their F&B program to stagnate and rot in place. The decade+ of neglect likely showed little impact early on (as those profits were extracted from the division for other projects) but I am confident that the harm is clearly evident on the park's balance sheets now. There will be a painful transition period where a lot of Cap-Ex has to be spent to bring these facilities up to par to get them back to the efficient, money printing machines they should be. Those investments will pay dividends for many, many years to come though.
 
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Maybe if you (and others) dined at Great Adventure more (which should be more likely if the restaurants aren't filthy/dated/ugly, the food is good, and the service is efficient) the park's maintenance budget would have been large enough to support the continued operation of Ka.

All of these things are connected. Successful parks in the year 2025 make an astronomical proportion of their profits on food and beverage. Whether you will buy the food or not doesn't matter. You will benefit greatly from the increased profits the additional F&B sales that result from these renovations deliver to the park overall and they will result in a measurable improvement to your experience even if you never once taste a morsel of food.

Great Adventure, like most every other legacy Six Flags property, has allowed their F&B program to stagnate and rot in place. The decade+ of neglect likely showed little impact early on (as those profits were extracted from the division for other projects) but I am confident that the harm is clearly evident on the park's balance sheets now. There will be a painful transition period where a lot of Cap-Ex has to be spent to bring these facilities up to par to get them back to the efficient, money printing machines they should be. Those investments will pay dividends for many, many years to come though.
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Maybe if you (and others) dined at Great Adventure more (which should be more likely if the restaurants aren't filthy/dated/ugly, the food is good, and the service is efficient) the park's maintenance budget would have been large enough to support the continued operation of Ka.

All of these things are connected. Successful parks in the year 2025 make an astronomical proportion of their profits on food and beverage. Whether you will buy the food or not doesn't matter. You will benefit greatly from the increased profits the additional F&B sales that result from these renovations deliver to the park overall and they will result in a measurable improvement to your experience even if you never once taste a morsel of food.

Great Adventure, like most every other legacy Six Flags property, has allowed their F&B program to stagnate and rot in place. The decade+ of neglect likely showed little impact early on (as those profits were extracted from the division for other projects) but I am confident that the harm is clearly evident on the park's balance sheets now. There will be a painful transition period where a lot of Cap-Ex has to be spent to bring these facilities up to par to get them back to the efficient, money printing machines they should be. Those investments will pay dividends for many, many years to come though.
The issue is that previous managements were all cheapskates who had forgor basic maintenance which gave them short term gains at the expense of long term loss.

Neither you or I will benefit from increased food sales at any park. Only the shareholders benefit from it, unless one is a shareholder of the company that owns the park in question. Increased cash inflows go into executive pay, bonuses, and maybe stock dividends. If they see a major uptick in revenue despite liquidating a sizeable portion of fixed assets, why would they allocate more Capex when revenue is already up without doing so?

Moreover, this is a case of voting with your wallet. Rewarding management for massive removals while trying to distract by overglorifying microfixies like slapping paint on buildings with increased revenue does not benefit me. Why would anyone want to reward behavior they find objectionable? If they install high quality replacement rides then I might Increase my expenditures, not for a fresh coat of paint or foodstuff commodities. Hopefully with all the painting they can also spring for some weed killer to get rid of the poison ivy overgrowth around the park.

This is the same tactics previous management's did. Remove rides but make a big deal performing minute changes like painting and other basics they should have been performing anyway. The previous management also made a big deal about improving food service. They boasted they had tried all sorts of chicken tenders and pizzas from several suppliers which gave us a big laugh at the former GAH forums over the inanity of it.

Dude, come on... the park is finally paying attention to its appearance. While rides are obviously important, a guest wants to feel like they are getting a good value for their money in other ways too, food and appearance are a big part of that.
Dude, I heard this same exact spiel from white knights defending the several previous owners of Six Flags for over 20 years. Surely it will be different for the umpteenth time, right? Man I said a pretty mild objection and you guys get hyper over it. Time to get some thicker skin.

Personally I find El Toro too rough to ride more than twice anymore. Hopefully the retrack will smooth it out though the 3 year pieceal job isn't ideal. Also, don't simp for a soulless corporation like Colliwood's cringy video advocates for. If your gonna simp, at least simp for an actual person, preferably a hotty. But you really shouldn't go though life simping.
 
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The issue is that previous management's were cheapskates that gave them short term gains at the expense of long term loss.

Neither you or I will benefit from increased food sales at any park. Only the shareholders benefit from it, unless one is a shareholders of the company that owns the park in question. Increased cash inflows go into executive pay, bonuses, and maybe stock dividends. If they see a major uptick in revenue despite liquidating a sizeable portion of fixed assets, why would they allocate more Capex when revenue is already up without dping so?

Moreover, this is a case of voting with your wallet. Rewarding management for massive removals while trying to distract by overglorifying microfixies like slapping paint on buildings with increased revenue does not benefit me. Why would anyone want to reward behavior they find objectionable? If they install high quality replacement rides then I might Increase my expenditures, not for a fresh coat of paint or foodstuff commodities.

This is the same tactics previous management's did. Remove rides but make a big deal perfoing minute changes like painting and other basics they should have been performing. The previous management alsoade a big deal about improving food service. They boasted they had tried all sorts of chicken tender and pizza suppliers which gave us a big laugh at the former GAH forums over the inanity of it.
I disagree, and have to side with Zachary on this one. It seems to come down to a personal preference of rides over food for you. That's fine. What we are saying is all factors are important for overall satisfaction and sustainability of a theme park; rides, food aesthetics etc. the whole package really matters.

In-park-spending is a huge factor when determining overall ROI and EBITA at a theme park. The sales and marketing departments at theme parks always look at the spending per cap. A park is not going to get money to sustain operations on admission tickets alone. A flashy new ride is awesome and may initially get someone into the park, however great food and aesthetics help to keep them in the park spending more money. More money in F&B / cap means more money for new rides and overall park improvements.

Take a look at a well rounded park like Universal Islands of Adventure. They have the whole package going for them. Even smaller family run theme parks like those in PA and even larger ones run by Herschend (SDC and DW) are doing phenomenally well because they understand that the whole package is what makes for a loyal guest and good memorable experience.

To speak into this: "Rewarding management for massive removals while trying to distract by overglorifying microfixies like slapping paint on buildings with increased revenue does not benefit me." I wouldn't see what the new Six Flags is doing to improve experience as a "micro fix" some of these improvements are a rather substantial investment. Also, don't you think you are making a bit of an erroneous generalization about corporate executives? They want the parks to succeed. While yes, they get paid to manage parks, I wouldn't paint such a high image of greed.

At the end of the day you don't have to visit a park if you are unsatisfied with your experience. I'm just looking at things from a wholistic perspective.
 
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Also, don't simp for a soulless corporation like Colliwood's cringy video advocates for. If your gonna simp, at least simp for an actually person, preferably a hotty. But you really shouldn't go though life simping.
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Odd comment aside…agreeing with a ride’s removal isn’t simping for a company. Just because you don’t like the direction something’s going doesn’t mean EVERY aspect of it is bad, and just because you do agree doesn’t mean there won’t be decisions you aren’t a fan of.

I rarely ate in the park when Great Adventure was my home park, but just because something doesn’t necessarily affect me doesn’t make it a bad thing. Granny’s has always been one of the busiest restaurants in the park, and this is a well deserved and needed makeover. Being negative about this is honestly just really bizarre.
 
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