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oh my god, this is so terrible and awful, they they wanted to do this during a halloween event?, why?
 
harry580 said:
oh my god, this is so terrible and awful, they they wanted to do this during a halloween event?, why?
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It was only about 15 years ago that Pat Roberson was openly discussing how Howl-O-Scream was an attempt by the devil to lure kids to into evil and not to let your kids go. It doesn't take much to extrapolate a similar view from more radicalized of another faith that happen to be more militarized.
 
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horsesboy said:
It was only about 15 years ago that Pat Roberson was openly discussing how Howl-O-Scream was an attempt by the devil to lure kids to into evil and not to let your kids go. It doesn't take much to extrapolate a similar view from radicals of another faith that happen to be more militarized.
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Comparing people who make asinine complaints to extremist radicals of a religion who do not hesitate to kill and commit acts of terror is wildly unfair. You can call them both radicals but I promise you only one of them will attack and kill for it, and we all know it’s the so-called religion of peace.

The people disliking my messages are more worried about not offending anyone than they are about the reality that the vast majority of these instances come from radicals of a certain group
 
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Comparing people who make asinine complaints to extremist radicals of a religion who do not hesitate to kill and commit acts of terror is wildly unfair. You can call them both radicals but I promise you only one of them will attack and kill for it, and we all know it’s the so-called religion of peace
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I was only attempting to ahow that they might see the events in a similar vein not that they would act the same abbout that thought.
 
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Thats quite the stretch to equate Pat Robertson to the Islamic State. Only one marched through Syria and Iraq killing 250,000 civilians, burning people alive or beheading them and posting it to Youtube, taking slaves, and rapping women in the name of Mohammed. Only one set off IEDs at Brussels Airport, killed 14 people in San Bernandino and 49 in Orlando, drove trucks through Christmas markets in Berlin and Nice, attacked an Ariana Grande concert killing 22 and injuring 1,000, killed 38 at a resort in Tunisia, killed 145 at a concert in Moscow, killed 91 people at a concert in Paris. There are dozens, if not hundreds of other examples too.

Honestly you should probably delete that comment because comparing Pat Robertson saying to avoid haunted houses because they glorify evil beings to the Islamic State is a gross exaggeration and mischaracterization.
 
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Thats quite the stretch to equate Pat Robertson to the Islamic State. Only one marched through Syria and Iraq killing 250,000 civilians, burning people alive or beheading them and posting it to Youtube, taking slaves, and rapping women in the name of Mohammed. Only one set off IEDs at Brussels Airport, killed 14 people in San Bernandino and 49 in Orlando, drove trucks through Christmas markets in Berlin and Nice, attacked an Ariana Grande concert killing 22 and injuring 1,000, killed 38 at a resort in Tunisia, killed 145 at a concert in Moscow, killed 91 people at a concert in Paris. There are dozens, if not hundreds of other examples too.

Honestly you should probably delete that comment because comparing Pat Robertson saying to avoid haunted houses because they glorify evil beings to the Islamic State is a gross exaggeration and mischaracterization.
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Yeah I am not deleting it. I already explained it was a statement about view point not action.
 
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Odd hill to die on, but you do you...

Back to the original topic, they chose Cedar Point because they knew it would be a soft target with thousands of people that wouldn't expect it and would be unarmed. The Islamic State's modis operandi is to inflict as many civilian casualties as possible. The fact that they were planning it during a Halloween event is likely because of higher crowd levels. If the Halloween "deadline" passed, I highly highly doubt they would just say "oh well, maybe next year"; they would continue to plan an attack as soon as possible.

Hats off to the FBI and Law Enforcement for preventing this.
 
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You can call them both radicals but I promise you only one of them will attack and kill for it, and we all know it’s the so-called religion of peace
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If this post isn't a violation of our rules (pending discussion), it is deep into the gray area. People would do well to avoid similar statements.

The religion of the people involved here simply does not matter at all—beyond possibly influencing the desired target (which I believe was at least part of @horsesboy's point).

The core issue is violent extremism—which, to be clear, regularly comes in MANY flavors. There is zero reason for this discussion to dive any deeper than that. Someone, personally, believed something stupid, they concluded that stupid, personal belief needed to be enforced on the people around them, and they were radicalized to believe they needed to be the enforcement mechanism—hence, violence. A tale as old as time.

In this case, the stupid belief was likely related to these individuals' faiths, but, in an alternate timeline, it could have just as easily been that they were violent, extremist flat earthers who believed Cedar Point was promoting globe theory and it was their job to silence this prominent opposition.

So yeah, religion is irrelevant to this conversation. All that matters here is violent radicalization broadly.
 
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If this post isn't a violation of our rules (pending discussion), it is deep into the gray area. People would do well to avoid similar statements.

The religion of the people involved here simply does not matter at all—beyond possibly influencing the desired target (which I believe was at least part of @horsesboy's point).

The core issue is violent extremism—which, to be clear, regularly comes in MANY flavors. There is zero reason for this discussion to dive any deeper than that. Someone, personally, believed something stupid, they concluded that stupid, personal belief needed to be enforced on the people around them, and they were radicalized to believe they needed to be the enforcement mechanism—hence, violence. A tale as old as time.

In this case, the stupid belief was likely related to these individuals' faiths, but, in an alternate timeline, it could have just as easily been that they were violent, extremist flat earthers who believed Cedar Point was promoting globe theory and it was their job to silence this prominent opposition.

So yeah, religion is irrelevant to this conversation. All that matters here is violent radicalization broadly.
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To be perfectly clear, religion was only brought into this conversation because the Islamic State was behind this attempted attack. Like you said, extremism comes in many forms and I doubt many people here would disagree that some of those are unfortunately quite common, but given that this thread is about extremism targeting mass civilians by an organization which has done plenty of similar things before under the guise of their faith, I don’t think it’s unfair to call that out.

This discussion also had nothing about comparisons until @horsesboy brought in Christians complaining about Halloween being satanic, as if that’s somehow on the same level as killing people for merely being there. I know he was talking about the principle rather than the actions, but in this case I think it’s quite difficult to separate the two, and even then still brings unfair connotations onto people who would never do something like this. If you can point me toward flat earthers, Christians, or basically any other group who commit senseless acts of terrorism with anywhere near this regularity and avoid criticism for it I’ll gladly shut up, but until then I think we should all look in the mirror and ask ourselves why exactly it’s a bad thing to recognize facts and patterns and react accordingly
 
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DECoasterGuy said:
To be perfectly clear, religion was only brought into this conversation because the Islamic State was behind this attempted attack.
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ISIS has as much to do with mainstream Islam as the KKK or Proud Boys do with mainstream Christianity.

DECoasterGuy said:
If you can point me toward flat earthers, Christians, or basically any other group who commit senseless acts of terrorism with anywhere near this regularity and avoid criticism for it I’ll gladly shut up, but until then I think we should all look in the mirror and ask ourselves why exactly it’s a bad thing to recognize facts and patterns and react accordingly
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Please stop whitewashing history.

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia

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Your "facts and patterns" are nothing but bigotry.
 
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an organization which has done plenty of similar things before under the guise of their faith, I don’t think it’s unfair to call that out.
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I believe that the my-way-or-the-highway, often-vaguely-and-sometimes-overtly violence-backed, magical thinking promoted by the VAST majority of religions broadly is horrendously corrosive to our society and I, too, don't think it's unfair to call that out. That opinion (like your's) just has nothing to do with this thread though.

Again, the specific, supposed faiths of the people involved here have nothing substantive to do with the topic of this thread beyond, maybe, the specific target(s) considered. This discussion can (and should) be able to be had without any anti-religious sentiment expressed because the issue is violent extremism broadly, not any specific ideology backing said violence specifically.

DECoasterGuy said:
This discussion also had nothing about comparisons until @horsesboy brought in Christians complaining about Halloween being satanic, as if that’s somehow on the same level as killing people for merely being there.
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Nothing @horsesboy said suggested that these things were "somehow on the same level." People can very reasonably draw parallels between things of different scopes and severities. @horsesboy was clearly doing exactly that.
 
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AmyUD06 said:
ISIS has as much to do with mainstream Islam as the KKK or Proud Boys do with mainstream Christianity.



Please stop whitewashing history.

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Your "facts and patterns" are nothing but bigotry.
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This screams whataboutism.

You're right, let's not whitewash history: For the past 50 years, 85% of religious based terrorism has been under Islam, and based on the current situation in Africa, that percentage is likely growing.

I can tell you if Pat Robertson shows up to BGW, I'm not batting an eye. If Islamic State shows up, I'm running through the ravines.
 
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