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Permits had been previously been found and posted for three eatery upgrades (Chicken, Funnel Cake, and Pizza Parlor). I thought this was posted somewhere a few weeks ago, but I could not find it so I apologize in advance! These appear to be mostly cosmetic, and I would assume kitchen and functionality upgrades, with minimal guest-facing changes.

However, I just found a new permit filed 1/18 to convert "Funnel Cake to Biergarten." Anyone hear any rumors about this?
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Ah yes. Reduce the food options back to "traditional park food", charge $18 for a single piece of pizza, make it shitty/low value enough that people try to eat as little as possible, and then crank up the alcohol sales. Sounds like a recipe for good, old-fashioned, family fun. I can't wait to see how well this works out.

I normally drink enough to put an elephant to sleep, will probably enjoy a beer garden (the one or two times I go to KD this year), and even I understand this is a horrible idea. Sure hope they back-fill some of those newly open positions with a hefty amount of new security.
 
I normally drink enough to put an elephant to sleep, will probably enjoy a beer garden (the one or two times I go to KD this year), and even I understand this is a horrible idea. Sure hope they back-fill some of those newly open positions with a hefty amount of new security.
I resonate with a lot of what you said, and I’m really worried about how the park’s food will fare with the in-park culinary team ousted, but I don’t see what makes the conversion of one of the funnel cake stands to a biergarten inherently a “horrible idea.” Drunk guests are an issue during Haunt, but I’ve never observed that same type of disturbance during the main season — even though plenty of places already serve alcohol like the Parched Pig, Tin Goose Bar, and Grain & Grill.

It’s easy to be jaded by a lot of the bad news that’s come out today, but are we sure this isn’t one of those upgrades that squeaked in before all the cost-cutting happened?
 
However, I just found a new permit filed 1/18 to convert "Funnel Cake to Biergarten." Anyone hear any rumors about this?
I’ve heard about the Biergarten project since the rumors for border burritos being moved to candy apple grove. At the time, i heard the funnel cake stand is relocating to the former border burritos site, and the old funnel cake stand on I-street becoming a Biergarten like it says.
 
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I find it funny they are opening a Biergarten when they are normally out of all the good beers everywhere they sell them around the park...
 
I resonate with a lot of what you said, and I’m really worried about how the park’s food will fare with the in-park culinary team ousted, but I don’t see what makes the conversion of one of the funnel cake stands to a biergarten inherently a “horrible idea.” Drunk guests are an issue during Haunt, but I’ve never observed that same type of disturbance during the main season — even though plenty of places already serve alcohol like the Parched Pig, Tin Goose Bar, and Grain & Grill.

It’s easy to be jaded by a lot of the bad news that’s come out today, but are we sure this isn’t one of those upgrades that squeaked in before all the cost-cutting happened?
Fair point. I did stop, re-read, and also considered if my reply was jaded before posting. It's possible there's some overlap, but let me break down my thinking as someone who spends around $100/visit on booze:

- They just filed the permit this month. This means they filed after they knew about the layoffs and food changes.
- Reducing food options while increasing alcohol options means there's likely going to be more alcohol sales to less food sales.
- They have to know that reducing the quality of food is going to reduce the amount of food that patrons want. Are you going to order that extra side now when it's fries instead of a more premium offering? Are you going to eat that extra meal in the park if it's just tendies vs if it was brisket? They surely aren't going to lower prices simply because they lowered costs so it won't be night & day, but I, for one, surely prefer beef and chimichurri over a very underwhelming slice of overrated & overpriced pizza. I'd probably rather just have another beer instead. Same price, likely more filling, and the desire to want more food is now changed to a need-only situation.
- This is replacing a food option with an alcohol option, and doing so in a very prominent location in the park. Most others are set aside and even the Parched Pig, while right along a main path, is quite unassuming. If they also add any decor and/or seating, it adds to the draw. My guess (and hope) is it's something like what we saw in the back of Victoria's when they had those small events.
- It's one thing to have a full belly of hearty food (beef loin, a half-chicken, etc.) and have a few beers. It's a whole other ball game doing so on a corn dog.
- Haunt is a whole other ball game and isn't fair to compare. It's supposed to be a reduced-children, adult-oriented event. Make sense to push more alcohol.


It's surely not a guarantee that it changes things, but I think there's enough to have some concern, especially when they appear to be prioritizing profit margins over guest experience.


I find it funny they are opening a Biergarten when they are normally out of all the good beers everywhere they sell them around the park...
I never seem to have this issue, but I generally drink the KD-branded cans from down the road or have one of Barb's pickle margs.
 
- They just filed the permit this month. This means they filed after they knew about the layoffs and food changes.
Right. So, presumably, the plans had been in place for months before that. It’s not like they filed the permit the minute they cooked up this idea.
 
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Yes, but it also gave them time to revisit if it was still a good idea.
 
Right. So, presumably, the plans had been in place for months before that. It’s not like they filed the permit the minute they cooked up this idea.

Beer garden or Wine Garden have been discussed and looked at for probably about a year or more now by the park. In fact I know of at least 2 other competing plans that were going around to the one that they are using.

Yes, but it also gave them time to revisit if it was still a good idea.

No not really this plan was finalized back at the end of summer budgeted for and contracts written in fact the removal of Border Burito and the remodel of that building are part of the plan and we'll underway by the last round of cuts.
 
Beer garden or Wine Garden have been discussed and looked at for probably about a year or more now by the park. In fact I know of at least 2 other competing plans that were going around to the one that they are using.
Can you share or hint at the competing plans? Just curious.

I assume this makeover will just transform the funnel cake’s window to a bar correct? Most likely nothing more.
 
Can you share or hint at the competing plans? Just curious.

I assume this makeover will just transform the funnel cake’s window to a bar correct? Most likely nothing more.
My understanding is that Funnel Cake move to where borders was and yes change the window over to a bar with a few other changes to the general area.

The only one I am comfortable talking about was there was a proposal to but a porch deck on the outside roof area of Victoria's and put a wine or beer garden there overlooking the water park.
 
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Ok. Fine. I'm salty with KD. Still belive my points stand, but likely wouldnt have cared ad much if they didnt make BS moves immediately prior.

I have advocated for a proper beer garden at BGW before and was shut down by y'all. I advocate against one at KD and am shut down by y'all

I'm just confused, lol. I like beer. I just also know that we need food to offset that booze.
 
My understanding is that Funnel Cake move to where borders was and yes change the window over to a bar with a few other changes to the general area.

The only one I am comfortable talking about was there was a proposal to but a porch deck on the outside roof area of Victoria's and put a wine or beer garden there overlooking the water park.
Yes! I have wanted this for years. A big miss in my opinion.
 
I expect Automats will be next. One employee to take food from a box and stick in a machine.
 
For whatever it's worth, as much as I, too, am down on the current state of Six Flags, I don't think we have any reason to doubt the quality of their cap-ex projects yet. All of the additions and renovations we've seen so far seem very much in line with the pre-merger Cedar Fair ethos. Until we see something to counter that, I don't think we should go all doom and gloom on reno projects like eatery upgrades.
 
For whatever it's worth, as much as I, too, am down on the current state of Six Flags, I don't think we have any reason to doubt the quality of their cap-ex projects yet. All of the additions and renovations we've seen so far seem very much in line with the pre-merger Cedar Fair ethos. Until we see something to counter that, I don't think we should go all doom and gloom on reno projects like eatery upgrades.
I am less concerned about the quality of the building work then I currently am about the quality of the product served in those buildings. Qualifying this with all the people I have talked to are currently employed but quite angry about the events of the last few weeks so they may be seeing things in a more negative light then what they are. I have been told to expect more pre-made items and that there will plan be a great reduction of selection.
 
I am less concerned about the quality of the building work then I currently am about the quality of the product served in those buildings. Qualifying this with all the people I have talked to are currently employed but quite angry about the events of the last few weeks so they may be seeing things in a more negative light then what they are. I have been told to expect more pre-made items and that there will plan be a great reduction of selection.
Maybe off-topic but I hope they make no changes to the burgers at Jukebox Diner. I think they can compete with many places outside the park.
 
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