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Three sites are reporting injuries at SFGAv possibly on El Toro. The train apperantly "jerked" as guests were unloading from the ride

Edit to add: Still early on so we won't know for sure. A few reports a saying the train jerked in the station however, one person claiming to be a rider is saying there was a pot hole on the 3rd drop with multiple people reporting back pain, bit tongues, and trouble breathing.



 
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God damn. At least 12 people transported to a nearby hospital with minor injuries. Sounds like some sort of structural or track failure?


After last year's derailment, this isn't a good look at all.
 
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Intamin is seriously not having good luck in the US at the moment. Dragster closed because of a part causing a death, this is Toro’s second accident in a short period of time, and it was more severe than the prior one. I don’t see a good outlook for this ride.
 
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Intamin is seriously not having good luck in the US at the moment. Dragster closed because of a part causing a death, this is Toro’s second accident in a short period of time, and it was more severe than the prior one. I don’t see a good outlook for this ride.
Guess I won't be riding El Toro next Thursday. As for the cause, curious to see what the investigation turns up, as it could be pinned on the manufacturer (Intamin), the builder (RMC), or the operator (Six Flags).
 

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Intamin is seriously not having good luck in the US at the moment. Dragster closed because of a part causing a death, this is Toro’s second accident in a short period of time, and it was more severe than the prior one. I don’t see a good outlook for this ride.

To be fair to Intamin, Dragster was very much Cedar Point's fault and this (and last year) seem to have almost certainly been Six Flags Great Adventure's fault. When you have a company like Intamin that pushes boundaries and then you have parks that refuse to actually do their job and maintain their attractions, it is definitely an environment ripe for potential tragedy. 🙁
 
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Seems to be another hint that the issue could have been some sort of failure around the widely-reported pot hole that recently developed following the Rolling Thunder hill...

 
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b.mac

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12 riders were injured, 5 were sent to local hospitals.



Local News Outlets were being particularly bad tonight with the lead-in reporting of the incident.


At this point they should just go full Colossos and retrack the entire goddamn thing, because COVID has not helped their maintenance cycle for the ride and the continued reductions in park spending for operating costs has also had an effect.
 

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For those who don't know, SFGAdv has decided to forego buying track from intamin for this ride in lieu of fabricating their own prefab track in house. I am not saying that this is what caused the issue at all. But it absolves intamin from a LOT in this case.
 

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For those who don't know, SFGAdv has decided to forego buying track from intamin for this ride in lieu of fabricating their own prefab track in house. I am not saying that this is what caused the issue at all. But it absolves intamin from a LOT in this case.

It's easier and more efficient for them to do it in house than order pieces from Intamin and wait for them to be fabricated and shipped. Great Adventure uses the exact same stuff Intamin requires their producers to, per the manufacturing standards of the ride.
 

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At this point they should just go full Colossos and retrack the entire goddamn thing, because COVID has not helped their maintenance cycle for the ride and the continued reductions in park spending for operating costs has also had an effect.
Double Posting to say the ride was essentially retracked after the derailment last year so no particular idea why the track was falling apart within a few months of the ride reopening.
 
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Double Posting to say the ride was essentially retracked after the derailment last year so no particular idea why the track was falling apart within a few months of the ride reopening.
Thinking the underlying cause might be a post or beam issue, which then caused a track failure. Time will tell.
 
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Ugh. I haven't been to SFGAdv yet this season and now I guess I'm not going to get to ride El Toro. Definitely my favorite coaster in the park. I hope they can figure out what the cause was and fix it, and I hope that everyone who was injured recovers quickly. I imagine this could be another long down time for El Toro.
 

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It's easier and more efficient for them to do it in house than order pieces from Intamin and wait for them to be fabricated and shipped. Great Adventure uses the exact same stuff Intamin requires their producers to, per the manufacturing standards of the ride.
And yet, it is not something that Intamin is exactly keen on.
 
If I was a major investor in theme parks I would be calling up investor relations at all three chains "do not skimp the maintenance budget ever, skimp on anything that doesn't put human lives at risk but not that."

(Thinking from the perspective of an investor not a moral super average human being like I am).
 
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And yet, it is not something that Intamin is exactly keen on.
Of course they aren't keen on it! Intamin isn't making any money if SFGA does everything themselves. To quote a guest lecturer at a business school, "Companies need to make a profit, fancy word for money, in order to have a... PayDay"
 

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And yet, it is not something that Intamin is exactly keen on.
Of course they aren't keen on it! Intamin isn't making any money if SFGA does everything themselves. To quote a guest lecturer at a business school, "Companies need to make a profit, fancy word for money, in order to have a... PayDay"

It's not like it's something that is costing Intamin loads of money. It's a single ride in the United States that would be closed regularly any time a piece of track needed to be replaced.

If Intamin sold more of these things in the United States than just Toro they would've built or contracted a facility to do the track making for the parks, but it's better for both Intamin and Great Adventure that it's done in house to avoid delays in shipping.
 
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