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Alright, now that we generally know what the 2025 Volcano replacement is. I want to start a more formal discussion for what's after that. I guess I'll ask the group 3 questions.

1. What roller coaster model do you think Kings Dominion needs in the scope of its ride lineup? This does not need to be limited to one but if you type your wishlist at Christmas to Santa with little context it doesn't add much to the discussion.

2. What non roller coaster attraction do you think Kings Dominion needs in the scope of its ride lineup? Dark ride, water ride, flats, shows, kids areas, water park shit, go for it.

3. What attraction do you think Cedar Six Fair Flags will add after the wing coaster realistically based on precedent with the chain and what they realistically would like to invest in?

Here's my take:

1. I suspect the Wing coaster will be similar in height to Dominator or shorter, which brings me to be a total thoosie to say that the park needs another "large" coaster in the 200+ "hyper" range. Any sort of Hyper sized coaster should fit that bill I would prefer the ride involve a lift hill but wouldn't be opposed to another launch coaster. I also personally would REALLY love to see a Gerstlauer Infinity in CAG where the old arcade building is near Racer 75. That with a KCL light package would look excellent in that area and add so much kinetic energy to CAG. In addition a GG or GCI wooden coaster can go wherever it makes sense to add one. KD just feels to me like it should have a top tier modern wooden coaster. I also would like them to add some sort of modern Vekoma family coaster to Planet Snoopy, I think personally Peanuts Showplace should be axed and ride similar to the family boomerang at Kings Island should be able to slot in that area. They could even split Planet Snoopy with a Camp Snoopy section like Kings Island. it's such a large sprawling section they could certainly go that route to freshen it up.

2. The park currently has a dark ride, I do not think they particularly "need" to add one, but I wouldn't be upset if they added one by any means especially if well done. I also weirdly feel satisfied by the two water rides in Old Virginia, that or I don't feel like chute the chutes are a necessity if you have a good log flume and rapids. Again wouldn't be upset if we got a modern water ride but I do not feel like that's the direction corporate wants to go currently. If we get any flats, an Air Race would be my favorite from Zamperla especially if it was one of the rising versions. I don't care about Nebulaz though I won't be remotely shocked if one of those things pops up in Jungle X eventually, they DO look very cool. I tend to ignore flats generally when I travel for parks unless they are very rare like Kangaroo and we already have a (blah) frisbee, Drop Tower, and StarFlyer/WindSeeker. I DO think Jungle X needs a flat package badly because I mean, again once the Wing opens, the section consists of 7 roller coasters and a Scrambler........yup lil Scrambler there. Can't wait to ride it with the Wing soaring overhead honestly.

In the water park, I mean a Water Coaster and more cool tube slides, I'd like to see a new Lazy River in the back section. In an ideal world they'd do that and then axe the front section of the water park entirely and convert that to a new section of the dry park. That is most likely a pipe dream though.

3. Hmm......I can see a Vekoma Family Boomerang especially if the Kings Island ride is a major success. The only B&M models which Cedar Fair seems to largely be taking over most of corporate with the merger so I would expect them to be more likely than most currently based on precedent, would be the Hyper and Surf (I can't see Cedar Fair ever installing a flyer personally). I can see some Zamperla flats popping up at some point in the park. It's really tough to say with the merger making this part of things a bit tougher to think far ahead. I could see a GCI or Gravity Group wood coaster popping up eventually as well but I'd say the odds of that are like 15-20%. It's interesting to think KD will have 14 operating roller coasters in 2025 and the number of parks in the world with more.............well it's not very high so we will see.
 
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Old Virginia could really use something to complement Grizzly. Either another coaster or a high thrill flat.
I think you can do both by making Action Theater part of Old Virginia with an indoor thrill and put a coaster outside.

I wasn’t around for the Paramount years but this side of the park seems like it was underdeveloped and they used it as a dumping ground for the random stuff they wanted to do.
 
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Again wouldn't be upset if we got a modern water ride but I do not feel like that's the direction corporate wants to go currently.
I feel if KD were to get another water ride, it would make sense for it to be a Mack water coaster. They’re no stranger to working with Mack, however it would be the first water coaster they’ve installed. Now, this is where it gets tricky. They don’t have much usable space to work with. My idea is if Anaconda gets axed, they could reuse the tunnel and some footers of anaconda and some of the lake (with a proper filtration/chlorine system) to create a custom water coaster. It wouldn’t have to have a huge amount of theming, so long as they could repurpose the tunnel and some thematic elements to the water sections. I’m thinking it could be more coaster into the tunnel and then splashdown. Then make a secondary lift next to the first lift (same positioning as anaconda’s lift, btw) and make a second coaster section (not as long) then splashdown near where the corkscrews were. Would repurpose the lake pretty well and get a modern water ride. Long shot, I know, but a possibility.
ride similar to the family boomerang at Kings Island
I could see a GCI or Gravity Group wood coaster popping up eventually as well
I think KD should do a combo and do a “two birds one stone” deal here. Get a Gravity Group family woodie to get another family coaster and a new woodie in the park. This also still leaves them open to have a family boomerang if they so choose.
 
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1. While I agree in general with a hyper, I think sticking a modern woody in the woods (and retaining the tree cover) in Old Virginia around the Dinosaurs alive space would be a better choice. Better yet, remove the go karts for some of the infield.

Perhaps they'd also do good with a new modern family coaster somewhere on the edge of Planet Snoopy - would love to see some kind of theming extension and interaction near Dominator.

Perhaps down the road they could stick a hyper out n back layout into the woods running south behind TT - adjust the dead-end guest path between TT and AZ to end at the new ride's station.

2. Completely fund and finish the theming in each section of the park. We saw what appears to be piece-meal changes with CAG, JX being refurbished a bit but not everything tying into the theme of the area, and Old VA really only getting some pavers. Finish it, make it nice and immersive as possible - this includes enhancing the transitions between areas too.

Remove the upcharge attractions (sky flyer and karts) from their current location as they are taking up valuable infill space - some quality flats would be nice in that spot if not the infield for a new coaster like the woody I suggested earlier.

Revamp live entertainment - everything from increasing street performances to properly utilizing all theaters. Refurbish all viewing areas for guest comfort, make sure the shows are both entertaining and not super long, and promote the heck out of them. Play off the dinner and a show model that works so well at BGW - make it easy for guests to grab something to eat and/or drink and sit down for a show. Preferably, arrange it so the logical place to sit would be as an audience.

Otherwise, I agree, the northern part of Soak City needs to be converted to dry park. But tbh, it's not worth doing so until Anaconda and/or BLSC are being removed - opening up more land to develop and enabling some way to eliminate the dead end at I305.

Finally, premium bar experiences - not enough to make it easy to get shit faced, but easy enough to have a drink in a relaxing space.

3. No clue, it seems like modern SF has started to go away from cookie-cutter clones everywhere outside of a few package deals. I just hope KD isn't screwed in the deal.
 
I would be shocked if cedar fair ever realized the value of dark rides and indoor rides. The best rides at WDW are dark rides - the Avatar ride in Animal Kingdom, and the 2 new Star Wars rides in Galaxy’s Edge. I don’t expect anything near that level of production value, but the idea of an enclosed dark ride they can operate regardless of the weather seems like a no brainer.
 
I also would like them to add some sort of modern Vekoma family coaster to Planet Snoopy, I think personally Peanuts Showplace should be axed and ride similar to the family boomerang at Kings Island should be able to slot in that area. They could even split Planet Snoopy with a Camp Snoopy section like Kings Island. it's such a large sprawling section they could certainly go that route to freshen it up.
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Great minds think alike; I literally just had a conversation with someone yesterday about this exact same proposal, down to removing Peanuts Showplace. It has sat vacant for a few years now, and I think that would be the perfect spot for a modern family coaster, preferably a Vekoma. It would check a lot of boxes for the park and I think we could see it as soon as 2027.
 
The next coaster should be a family one. Definitely on board with a Vekoma family shuttle.

With all the unused land around the southern area of the water park, it feels natural that the north side can be chipped away at. Remove the lazy river and I think there’s enough space between Anaconda and Backlot for a connecting path to expand CAG. They can put up another Jungle X entrance sign and if they put it on the existing medians beyond Backlot, it wouldn’t be a part of Jungle-X anymore and now you don’t have to retheme it.

Ideally the entrance to Soak City should be right at Racer, and if they remove any slides before that point we’ll have a good spot for a decent sized coaster. But main priority would be moving the lazy river to the south side.
 
They should tear down all the stupid kiddy coasters and use the money you get from demolition to build a clone of fury 325 right next to i305

On a serious note, I think a family coaster would be good. A suspended one would be better, since the park doesn't have anything suspended anymore. It's been a while since they've built one, and I feel like something like that would be a good investment for the park shortly after having opened a few higher thrill coasters (the wing, Tumbili, Twisted Timbers). Maybe one of those new Vekoma suspended family coasters or something by Zierer. A B&M family invert would be great if BGW weren't also building one
 
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I would be shocked if cedar fair ever realized the value of dark rides and indoor rides. The best rides at WDW are dark rides - the Avatar ride in Animal Kingdom, and the 2 new Star Wars rides in Galaxy’s Edge. I don’t expect anything near that level of production value, but the idea of an enclosed dark ride they can operate regardless of the weather seems like a no brainer.

The issue is that without the proper budget for proper immersion and/or theming, the end product will generally feel like a cheap knockoff of Disney or Universal.

There have been decent rides at regional parks (DarKastle, for instance) but the secondary challenge is keeping the theming and immersion intact, including keeping effects working and upgrading technologies periodically (also DarKastle, having these issues). That, and a willingness to pay for proper staffing.

Given the likelihood of CF and/or SF wanting to continuously pay for such experiences, I think Boo Blasters will be about the best we can get. I sure hope I'm wrong though.
 
Alright, now that we generally know what the 2025 Volcano replacement is. I want to start a more formal discussion for what's after that. I guess I'll ask the group 3 questions.

1. What roller coaster model do you think Kings Dominion needs in the scope of its ride lineup? This does not need to be limited to one but if you type your wishlist at Christmas to Santa with little context it doesn't add much to the discussion.

2. What non roller coaster attraction do you think Kings Dominion needs in the scope of its ride lineup? Dark ride, water ride, flats, shows, kids areas, water park shit, go for it.

3. What attraction do you think Cedar Six Fair Flags will add after the wing coaster realistically based on precedent with the chain and what they realistically would like to invest in?

Here's my take:

1. I suspect the Wing coaster will be similar in height to Dominator or shorter, which brings me to be a total thoosie to say that the park needs another "large" coaster in the 200+ "hyper" range. Any sort of Hyper sized coaster should fit that bill I would prefer the ride involve a lift hill but wouldn't be opposed to another launch coaster. I also personally would REALLY love to see a Gerstlauer Infinity in CAG where the old arcade building is near Racer 75. That with a KCL light package would look excellent in that area and add so much kinetic energy to CAG. In addition a GG or GCI wooden coaster can go wherever it makes sense to add one. KD just feels to me like it should have a top tier modern wooden coaster. I also would like them to add some sort of modern Vekoma family coaster to Planet Snoopy, I think personally Peanuts Showplace should be axed and ride similar to the family boomerang at Kings Island should be able to slot in that area. They could even split Planet Snoopy with a Camp Snoopy section like Kings Island. it's such a large sprawling section they could certainly go that route to freshen it up.

2. The park currently has a dark ride, I do not think they particularly "need" to add one, but I wouldn't be upset if they added one by any means especially if well done. I also weirdly feel satisfied by the two water rides in Old Virginia, that or I don't feel like chute the chutes are a necessity if you have a good log flume and rapids. Again wouldn't be upset if we got a modern water ride but I do not feel like that's the direction corporate wants to go currently. If we get any flats, an Air Race would be my favorite from Zamperla especially if it was one of the rising versions. I don't care about Nebulaz though I won't be remotely shocked if one of those things pops up in Jungle X eventually, they DO look very cool. I tend to ignore flats generally when I travel for parks unless they are very rare like Kangaroo and we already have a (blah) frisbee, Drop Tower, and StarFlyer/WindSeeker. I DO think Jungle X needs a flat package badly because I mean, again once the Wing opens, the section consists of 7 roller coasters and a Scrambler........yup lil Scrambler there. Can't wait to ride it with the Wing soaring overhead honestly.

In the water park, I mean a Water Coaster and more cool tube slides, I'd like to see a new Lazy River in the back section. In an ideal world they'd do that and then axe the front section of the water park entirely and convert that to a new section of the dry park. That is most likely a pipe dream though.

3. Hmm......I can see a Vekoma Family Boomerang especially if the Kings Island ride is a major success. The only B&M models which Cedar Fair seems to largely be taking over most of corporate with the merger so I would expect them to be more likely than most currently based on precedent, would be the Hyper and Surf (I can't see Cedar Fair ever installing a flyer personally). I can see some Zamperla flats popping up at some point in the park. It's really tough to say with the merger making this part of things a bit tougher to think far ahead. I could see a GCI or Gravity Group wood coaster popping up eventually as well but I'd say the odds of that are like 15-20%. It's interesting to think KD will have 14 operating roller coasters in 2025 and the number of parks in the world with more.............well it's not very high so we will see.
My honest prediction you are looking at some time between 2030 and 2035 at the earliest before you see Six Fairs add another major attraction to KD after the wing.
 
I wanna disagree but 2010-2018 is still fresh in my mind. Here's hoping 🤞
This is just my gut feeling with no hard facts to back it up but if the merger goes through I would bet on 3 to 5 years of kinda stagnant to capitol expenditures then coming out of that see a slow roll out of increased spending starting at the larger draw parks first. Kings Dominion would then have two strikes against it getting an early smaller park add. Those strikes being that it would have just gotten a new coaster in 2025. And the other being that it sits almost exactly halfway between two of the then combined company's bigger drawing parks in a straight line up 95.

There are certainly factors that might improve that timeliness but it's my gut feeling looking at the situation.
 
Speaking of the go karts, Adventure Park USA's karts have remote start, so they don't sit there and belch smoke in each other's faces before you even get to ride. They're kind of slow for the track, but what an improvement it could make to the experience with a decent ride. Or there's electric. Just throwing it out there.

Another thing every park needs is a launched family airtime machine or mine train. Think Big Bear but 10x as good a ride or scenery or both, at lower cost I should also hope.
 
I would be shocked if cedar fair ever realized the value of dark rides and indoor rides. The best rides at WDW are dark rides - the Avatar ride in Animal Kingdom, and the 2 new Star Wars rides in Galaxy’s Edge. I don’t expect anything near that level of production value, but the idea of an enclosed dark ride they can operate regardless of the weather seems like a no brainer.

Poor Boo Blasters. It’s the only dark ride in a Virginia theme park and it still gets no recognition 😔

In all seriousness, I’ve thought about a concept where Boo Blasters would get a Jungle X retheme with the entrance moved between Tumbili and Reptilian (with the Reptilian entrance and queue rerouted).

I think Boo Blasters is a terribly underutilized ride. It’s a lovely little ride, but I think most guests simply never think to ride it — or don’t even know it exists. It’s in possibly the most remote corner of the park, has zero curb appeal since you can’t see the ride or have any idea what it is from the path, and its location in Planet Snoopy gives the (false) impression it’s just for kids.

A revamp that moves the entrance to Jungle X could expand the ride’s appeal by putting the entrance in a higher traffic area, and the new location plus a new theme could make clear that it’s a ride for everyone, not just for kids. And I think a storyline easily be easily worked in to the Jungle X lore.

Plus, the building facade (which could be made to look a lot like DL’s Jungle Cruise queue facade almost effortlessly; the similarities are uncanny) and the outdoor queue could so easily get a jungle makeover with just minor changes. And considering Sally’s long resume of retheming their dark rides, even for smaller regional parks, I think the ride itself could get a total makeover on a fairly modest budget.

All in all, it would effectively give the park a “new” attraction on a moderate budget, and it would finally give the park’s dark ride the attention from guests it deserves. That’s what I’d like to someday see after the wing coaster.
 
Poor Boo Blasters. It’s the only dark ride in a Virginia theme park and it still gets no recognition 😔

In all seriousness, I’ve thought about a concept where Boo Blasters would get a Jungle X retheme with the entrance moved between Tumbili and Reptilian (with the Reptilian entrance and queue rerouted).

I think Boo Blasters is a terribly underutilized ride. It’s a lovely little ride, but I think most guests simply never think to ride it — or don’t even know it exists. It’s in possibly the most remote corner of the park, has zero curb appeal since you can’t see the ride or have any idea what it is from the path, and its location in Planet Snoopy gives the (false) impression it’s just for kids.

A revamp that moves the entrance to Jungle X could expand the ride’s appeal by putting the entrance in a higher traffic area, and the new location plus a new theme could make clear that it’s a ride for everyone, not just for kids. And I think a storyline easily be easily worked in to the Jungle X lore.

Plus, the building facade (which could be made to look a lot like DL’s Jungle Cruise queue facade almost effortlessly; the similarities are uncanny) and the outdoor queue could so easily get a jungle makeover with just minor changes. And considering Sally’s long resume of retheming their dark rides, even for smaller regional parks, I think the ride itself could get a total makeover on a fairly modest budget.

All in all, it would effectively give the park a “new” attraction on a moderate budget, and it would finally give the park’s dark ride the attention from guests it deserves. That’s what I’d like to someday see after the wing coaster.
I agree that it's underrated, but I also feel that it isn't enough. Something like an Intamin Ultratower (or even just their Motion Tower) in Virginia is my dream. It can churn up riders and would be a totally unique experience in this part of the world.
 
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