Which do you think is the best show(s) of 2017?

  • Celtic Fyre

    Votes: 34 64.2%
  • All For One

    Votes: 10 18.9%
  • Britmania

    Votes: 11 20.8%
  • Mix It Up

    Votes: 7 13.2%
  • OktoberZest

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • More Pet Shenanigans

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • Howl to Coexist

    Votes: 5 9.4%
  • Sunny Days Celebration

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    53
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Does anyone know when last days for each of the shows this season are? I always like to attend the very last showings of my favorite shows each season because the crowd is always really into it and gives the cast a great sendoff. I remember hearing somewhere that Celtic Fyre's last show of the season is on the 27th but I that's just what someone told me and they said they weren't 100% sure. Was wondering if anyone here knew. I'm mainly wanting to know the last days for the big three; Celtic Fyre, Britmania, and All For One.
 
I know that September 3rd is the last performance for "All For One", as for "Celtic Fyre", "OktoberZest", and "Britmania" I don't know the last dates for them.

As for the the VP of Entertainment spot, how come Phil Raybourn hasn't been asked for that position yet? He's a pretty smart and creative guy that can do a really good job.
 
I think Phil is way too valuable of a creative asset for them to lose him. Sure, he could still do some of what he does now, but the VP of Entertainment has to face the entire scope of the department's projects. Even Scott Gasparich was more managerial rather than creative in my opinion. He probably didn't have to write shows. He just chose to in his early days of being VP.

I also think it will be hard to find someone who puts their biases aside enough to act efficiently. Look at some of the shows and who directed them. You will find similar tangents in almost all of them. Remember recently when every show had a love story woven in (even a show about construction workers)? That's what I'm talking about. A VP should ideally have a more broad itinerary.

One recent agenda, so it seemed, was to rid the park of "glitter" from the previous administration. Fine. But where did they go from there? We are now in a state of limbo that was not entirely any one person's fault, but a standstill/stalemate is never good.

Summer Nights for instance, isn't terrible but it displays the Entertainment Department's current inability to be decisive and work as a team along with the other departments. Without this mess we wouldn't have a generic pop soundtrack blaring over the parkwide speaker system, or a fireworks soundtrack that wasn't put together with input from the team that creates the display. It's obvious that we need more order, but I don't think the next VP of Entertainment should be the most obvious choice. That's exactly what happened last time.
 
CastleOSullivan said:
It's obvious that we need more order, but I don't think the next VP of Entertainment should be the most obvious choice. That's exactly what happened last time.

Amen! (Y) (Y)

Just as long as the new VP isn't someone like Scott, then I think we're safe.
 
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To each their own I guess. Celtic Fyre, All For One, and Britmania are shows I will watch whenever I come to the park during that time. OktoberZest is the only one I feel that was a rather inconsistent mess.
 
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I actually liked Britmania, but All For One was one of the cringiest things I have ever seen the park put together. The show took itself so seriously that the cheesy dialogue and poorly orchestrated stunts came across as even worse in contrast. If the show took a sort of tongue-in-cheek approach instead of being so self-righteous, it might be more entertaining.
 
Mushroom said:
If the show took a sort of tongue-in-cheek approach instead of being so self-righteous, it might be more entertaining.

That's exactly what happened with Roll Out the Barrel and it didn't work there either. So pick your poison I guess. :sick:
 
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The problem with Roll Out the Barrel was that their take on tongue-in-cheek was to paint Germans in the most stereotyped way possible and then make fun of them—just like what happened with Wunderbarn. Blood Banquet and Dig it Up are both good recent examples of how to pick a silly subject, have a lot of fun with it, and come out the other end with a good show.
 
Zachary said:
The problem with Roll Out the Barrel was that their take on tongue-in-cheek was to paint Germans in the most stereotyped way possible and then make fun of them—just like what happened with Wunderbarn. Blood Banquet and Dig it Up are both good recent examples of how to pick a silly subject, have a lot of fun with it, and come out the other end with a good show.

Oh please don't remind me of that vile piece of garbage that they had the AUDACITY to call an "Illuminights show". I don't care how bad and/or weak some of the shows throughout the years were, Wunderbarn was by far the worst of them that I cried in horror.

So did you see All For One? What did you think of it?
 
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Mushroom said:
I actually liked Britmania, but All For One was one of the cringiest things I have ever seen the park put together. The show took itself so seriously that the cheesy dialogue and poorly orchestrated stunts came across as even worse in contrast. If the show took a sort of tongue-in-cheek approach instead of being so self-righteous, it might be more entertaining.

This is EXACTLY what I thought of it too. You put it perfectly.
 
Whenever I watch YT videos of Britmania there's one or two comments that basically say the same thing: "The shows today have nothing on the great Broadway-style shows the park used to do, bring them back".

*sighs*

Look, I do enjoy watching old videos of the Broadway-style shows and I do like them for the effort they put into them back then. But if I am going to be really blunt and honest, not all of them were perfect. For example: Rockin the Boat has really good sets, very well done choreography and direction, but did they really need to put in the friggin' "Macarena" forcing the audience to participate right smack dab in the middle stopping the show dead? Why?? Not to mention the "mysterious enchanted island" sequence and how silly it looks and sounds now. At least Britmania's narration from the guitarist was handled well and had something close to a point that it never stop the show dead at all. Sure Britmania needs to slightly change some things to make it even better, but for a first season show, it's amazing for how good it is from the start. The current version of All For One does have Planchet getting the audience to cheer and shout the Musketeer's motto and boo the Red Guard, but that happened in the prologue and they boo the Red Guard by choice during the whole show. Celebrate America is entertaining for what it is but the biggest question that ran in my head was this: "Why is this America themed show in the English Globe Theater and not in the Canadian Palladium?". Speaking of, American Jukebox seems to be quite an infamous example around here isn't it?

What I'm trying to get at here is that while those shows were really entertaining for the time; my preference, even when I was a very little kid, was always for shows that fit the theme of Europe. Shows like This is Oktoberfest!, Finiculi Finicula, and Enchanted Laboratory transported me as if I traveled across the sea and something that the mundane place I lived wouldn't give me. The park's entertainment department must've understood that too, because once Ireland came around in 2001 and I saw the mind-blowing magnificence of Irish Thunder, that's when I realized that the park has found it's unique identity at last and that they didn't need those Broadway shows anymore. Heck, even the Cirque shows in the Royal Palace Theater were something to behold. Of course I grew up to appreciate the Broadway-style shows of back then, even enjoy the YT videos of them whenever they show up. But I can't stand it when people badly shoot down a current era of shows because they don't "fit" with the previous era; when in reality both eras have their own strengths and weaknesses. For example: the current era (2017) of shows are themed perfectly to the hamlets they reside in, with the the exception of Mix it Up! though it's theme can be debatable, plus shows like Britmania, All For One, and Celtic Fyre are great examples of how much the right talent can really turn a show fantastic, but a rather big weakness is that the entertainment staff is quite messy now that one or two shows have an obvious weaker quality compared to everywhere else, or most of them depending on who you ask (for me personally, I really enjoyed all of them with the disappointing exception being OktoberZest and the awkward More Pet Shenanigans).

The previous era had a big strength when it comes to it's shows was a phenomenally talented entertainment staff that worked at the park since at least the mid-80's, that made the shows very well made and never felt amateurish at any point. Despite the big weakness that they had to work on some shows that quite frankly would've fit in everywhere else and not necessarily inspiring. When they did work on the European themed shows (either in-sourced or out-sourced), pure magic happened that I don't think can be recreated ever again, though the current rumors of Busch Gardens veterans coming back and working on some of the shows, the director of OktoberZest worked on Rockin the Boat, the choreographer of Britmania is a well loved choreographer, Gary Lensenmayer working on the music for All For One, and a great violinist that worked with the park since the 90's made a surprise visit in Celtic Fyre, might actually say otherwise. Of course both Entwined and London Rocks were the park's recent attempts (from a previous, really bad regime) to bring "Broadway to the park" and bring the Broadway-style show back... We all know how well those turned out... :irritated:

But this is all opinion at this point and disagreements will happen, but I just needed to vent out this anger and frustration in the only way I knew how. But with that said, despite the fact that I feel the Broadway-style shows of back then won't fit with the park anymore and that I'm content that they're gone, I will never, EVER deny the amazing talent that went in them that they end up being good shows in spite of themselves. Even the talent we have now, despite being messy as all get out, is still better than the "talent" brought on by You-Know-Who and his minions.

*sighs again, starts to feel better*
 
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